I’m referencing your post, which indicated you were dismayed. What do you mean by “selling off”? And what is “unbelievable” about it?I never mentioned salary in anything so to bring that into this thread says a lot more about you than it does me buddy. I like Schreiber and I think he can be an asset to this team. That's all.
Someone posted an article in the ST thread suggesting that Whitlock will begin the season as a starter, and that this finally makes sense b/c (not just in his own opinion) Whitlock is in "the best shape of his career" owing to working out all off-season.My takeaway is that it opens a BP spot for one of Houck and Whitlock- both of who will be better than Schreiber there…. Which creates an opening in the expected rotation…. Right?
To your pointIs "bit of business" the new "elite" (which was the new "wing-span")
FTFY.S̶o̶x̶ Twitter is as toxic as Chernobyl at this point
Regardless of where they are going this year, this trade makes great (not just good) sense, especially given that there's no shortage of RH RP.FTFY.
2024 Red Sox aren't going anywhere, so trades like this make good sense.
This is unnecessarily negative. They have 4 arms that can likely replicate Schreiber's impact on the current team, 2 of which they lose if they don't roster them. This was they control how they lose one of those arms.Great trade for 2026 for sure. Hope they’re able to compete in 2025 as well.
KC is trying to get the public to fund a new stadium, they have to give the illusion of trying at least.Not really relevant but I was amused at the tweet saying that KC was foolish for trading for Schreiber because they weren’t good. This is KC’s most active offseason in a long time. Getting Wacha, Lugo, Smith, Schreiber is pretty much their version of going for it.
Baseball Trade Values sees it differently from most of the thread so far.
They're always way behind on prospects.Baseball Trade Values sees it differently from most of the thread so far.
Slandin is a helium prospect with a wide variance in rankings. Baseball Trade Value sucks at valuing players with that profileBaseball Trade Values sees it differently from most of the thread so far.
Thanks for this explanation of Schreiber's falling off so noticeably last year.In 2023 he tore the teres major in his shoulder, and lost 1-2 mph off the fastball.
I won't pretend to be an expert, but Schrieber was listed above as projecting .3 WAR. How can that profile be $9M+ in "excess" value? BTV makes zero sense to me.Baseball Trade Values sees it differently from most of the thread so far.
Because trade value inherently includes all years of control.I won't pretend to be an expert, but Schrieber was listed above as projecting .3 WAR. How can that profile be $9M+ in "excess" value? BTV makes zero sense to me.
Well, two things going on here. BTV is fine for assessing major leaguers but very bad at minor leaguers, but also FG underrates the projected WAR of most relievers. They have only 22 relievers in all of MLB projected for over 1 WAR, which might be a function of inconsistency from year to year, but also will likely end up being much lower than reality.I won't pretend to be an expert, but Schrieber was listed above as projecting .3 WAR. How can that profile be $9M+ in "excess" value? BTV makes zero sense to me.
Exactly.If you’re an organization that lacks quality pitching prospects, you trade for them. Whether Schreiber is an overpay or not remains to be seen but I like the idea.
0.3 WAR is for one year, $9M is over his remaining three years of control. Still, they’re probably a bit bullish on him to reach that number.I won't pretend to be an expert, but Schrieber was listed above as projecting .3 WAR. How can that profile be $9M+ in "excess" value? BTV makes zero sense to me.
4th best is probably his floor. I’d rank him as second behind Fitts purely based on level.Exactly.
Especially when the asset you’re trading is something the organization has droves of (rhp middle relief arms) for something it has basically nothing of (good SP prospects).
I think the perception will change when SoxProspects updates and people quickly can see that Sandlin is the 4th best pitching prospect in the system and likely top 15ish overall and not just some guy for KC.
When you can get a top 5 (in your system) SP prospect for a middle relief pitcher, and your MLB team isn’t likely to be good in 2 of his 3 years of control, you make that move every time.
True that. There are more major leaguers that they can sell off.Also, I hope this puts to rest the notion that the offseason is certainly over. There may or may not be more moves of any magnitude, but the rosters aren’t set until the rosters are set.
LOL. Yeah, I expect another reliever is heading out, and possibly an outfielder. I hope they are replaced by at least one more starting pitcher.True that. There are more major leaguers that they can sell off.
I think it indicates he was lucky, benefiting from a low BABIP.Schreiber had a 4.52 FIP last year, which is kind of amazing, because it suggests the Sox defense helped him last year. Kinda hard to believe the D helped any pitcher.
That's properly understood as an indictment of the Royals' bullpen, which is well below average, than a glowing endorsement of Schreiber.As per chance I am in the midst of my first BB Fantasy draft and here is what Yahoo Sports says about Schreiber
"Advice: Though he missed nearly two months of the season due to a shoulder strain, Schreiber instantly becomes one of the top relievers in Kansas City's bullpen after posting a 3.86 ERA and 1.41 WHIP across 46.2 frames in 2023. The 29-year-old right-hander often served in high-leverage situations over the past two years and could be in the mix for save opportunities with his new club."
And also its fantasy. Even the worst team will win 55-60 games; someone's gonna get "saves." Doesn't mean he's actually good.That's properly understood as an indictment of the Royals' bullpen, which is well below average, than a glowing endorsement of Schreiber.
They need an ace really really bad but they’re pretty set at 2-4 and have a few options for 5-6. But they really need that ace to be competitive this year.Also, I hope this puts to rest the notion that the offseason is certainly over. There may or may not be more moves of any magnitude, but the rosters aren’t set until the rosters are set.
Wow, those tweets read like a AI Bot wrote them. It’s not ruining baseball, but things like this are why some people think analytics have gone too far.Baseball Trade Values sees it differently from most of the thread so far.
Red Sox are getting a pitcher who is going to pop up on more peoples radars this year / I had David Sandlin ranked 34th in my top 100 pitching prospect rankings and I may have been too low on him
My updated Red Sox pitching prospect ranks: 1) Yordanny Monegro 2) David Sandlin 3) Wikelman Gonzalez 4) Luis Perales
You speak as if these are mutually exclusive viewpoints when they are not. All of what you said is true. Simple as that.I don't know anything about Sandlin other than what I've read here, but it is kind of amusing the way that Schreiber went from "integral part of the pen" and "evidence of Bloom's ability to find cheap talent" to "fungible guy who has had one good year" the moment this trade went down.
With this tweet, we've heard his arsenal includes fastball, slider, curve, change and now splitter.
Some of us. I know plenty of people disagree with me, but I think if you operate in a budget (which FSG clearly does, even though it’s a damn fine budget), I think pretty much all non closer bullpen arms are fungible (and extremely volatile), at least once they make more than league minimum.I don't know anything about Sandlin other than what I've read here, but it is kind of amusing the way that Schreiber went from "integral part of the pen" and "evidence of Bloom's ability to find cheap talent" to "fungible guy who has had one good year" the moment this trade went down.
Bailey may be trying to develop Winck as a starter though, we don't really know yet.I really hope Martin is traded in the next week too, same with Winckowski if you can get anything close to this.
Can they hurry up and vote? Not sure Schreiber will be rallying the electorate once the season starts.KC is trying to buy some extra wins while they convince voters to approve a new stadium tax. Smart to take advantage.
I like Schreiber, he’s a good right handed reliever. They have that spot covered. Two of their top pitching prospects have a high likelihood of ending up in the role. They need starting pitching prospects and Sandlin’s a good one.I don't know anything about Sandlin other than what I've read here, but it is kind of amusing the way that Schreiber went from "integral part of the pen" and "evidence of Bloom's ability to find cheap talent" to "fungible guy who has had one good year" the moment this trade went down.
I saw changeup/splitter and assumed that he just threw a forkball.With this tweet, we've heard his arsenal includes fastball, slider, curve, change and now splitter.