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Tennis 2017

Discussion in 'General Sports' started by Infield Infidel, Apr 19, 2017.

  1. Dr. Gonzo

    Dr. Gonzo Member SoSH Member

    It's over. What a machine he is.
  2. bosoxsue

    bosoxsue Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    You were right about that before 11 a.m. prediction. Incredible!

    If Venus had won, these Championships would have been quite retro.
  3. johnmd20

    johnmd20 voice of soccer Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Just an incredible athlete. To win two majors at his age is ridiculous.
  4. Sam Ray Not

    Sam Ray Not Member SoSH Member

    One of the more insane stats I've seen (assuming it wasn't a TV typo): in the second set, Federer won 100% of his *second serve* points?

    I mean, that's insane for any situation. For a 35 year old in the Wimbledon finals? And ... winning the whole thing without dropping a set? Just, wow. Bravo, Roger.
    #104 Sam Ray Not, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2017 at 11:57 AM
  5. Rowdy

    Rowdy lurker

    I think it was McEnroe who said he was never down a break during the entire tournament!
  6. Schnerres

    Schnerres Member SoSH Member

    12/14 on 1st serve, 4/4 on 2nd serve in 2nd set for Roger.
  7. semsox

    semsox Member SoSH Member

    Brad Gilbert said this, but it wasn't quite right. He was down 2-0 to Lajovic in his 2nd round matchup.
  8. Sam Ray Not

    Sam Ray Not Member SoSH Member

    Okay, that's a little less insane than I thought, since the sample's so small. Still pretty ridiculous.

    Beyond the on-court dominance, what he's done this season pretty much blows up all known norms of sports aging, right?

    Age 22-28 peak (2003-10): 16 grandslams in 7 years
    Age 29-30 late peak (2011-12): 1 grandslam in 2 years
    Age 31-34 post-peak (2013-16): 0 grandslams in 4 years

    Looks for 100% certain like the end of a beautiful career, right?

    Age 35 post-post-peak: 2 grandslams in one year, and counting...
  9. jsinger121

    jsinger121 @jsinger121 SoSH Member

    Wonder if he will head to flushing as the odds on favorite with both Novak and Murray ailing. His only true challenge may be Rafa.
  10. Infield Infidel

    Infield Infidel teaching korea american SoSH Member

    I feel like he's going to play the non-French slams as long as he can if he's healthy and can compete. He seems to love it out there as much as ever
  11. jsinger121

    jsinger121 @jsinger121 SoSH Member

    Agree with this. Playing 3 at his age is the right move especially with the Aussie in January, Wimbledon in July and US Open in late August early September. Makes sense to skip the entire clay season and prep for grass and hard courts.
  12. BigMike

    BigMike Dope Dope

    He certainly might. Had he made that decision 5 years ago, he might have a couple more major titles now. On the other hand he might push Nadal, Murray, and Djoker to follow him into more reduced schedules

    As important as being physically fresh, he seems to be mentally fresh and clear, in his post dominance era it was his head as much as his body that was getting him in trouble. He would run into those lulls in a match where he would completely fall apart. And he hasn't had those this year
  13. bosoxsue

    bosoxsue Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    I know the other Swiss had a terrible Wimbledon, but he's the defending champ and could present an obstacle as well if he's rested and ready. I think Big Four should expand to Five to include him.
  14. InstaFace

    InstaFace MDLzera

    Interesting thought, let's examine that notion...

    Andy Murray has played in 46 grand slam tournaments, starting at the age of 18 (he's now 30). He has made 9 QFs, 10 SFs, 8 Finals, and been champion 3 times. All of his 8 losses in the championship match have been to Federer (3) and Djokovic (5). He has not failed to make the R16 of a major since USO 2010, and before that, RG 2008.

    Stan Wawrinka has played in 50 grand slam tournaments, starting at the age of 20 (he's now 32). He has made 6 QFs, 5 SFs, 1 Finals loss, and 3 major titles. His last 2 Wimbledons he has been eliminated in the 2nd round and 1st round.

    Berdych: 54 majors, starting at 18 (now 31). 9 QFs, 3 SFs, 1 Final (2010 Wimbledon to Nadal).
    Raonic: 26 majors, starting at 20 (now 26). 4 QFs, 2 SFs, 1 Final (2016 Wimbledon to Murray).
    Del Potro: 31 majors, starting at 18 (now 28). 6 QFs, 2 SFs, 0 final losses, 1 championship (2009 USO over Federer).
    Cilic: 38 majors, starting at 19 (now 28). 6 QFs, 2 SFs, 1 Final (yesterday), 1 championship (2014 USO over Nishikori).
    Tsonga: 38 majors, starting at 20 (now 32). 9 QFs, 5 SFs, 1 Final (2008 AO to Djokovic).
    Ferrer: 58 majors, starting at 21 (now 35). 11 QFs, 5 SFs, 1 Final (2013 RG to Nadal).

    Here's another point of comparison that merges all of that, plus lesser tournaments: career prize money ($MM). For active players, the leaderboard is:

    1. Djokovic: $109.8
    2. Federer: $107.3
    3. Nadal: $86.1
    4. Murray: $60.8
    5. Wawrinka: $30.6
    6. Ferrer: $30.2
    7. Berdych: $28.0
    8. Cilic: $18.1
    9. Nishikori: $17.3
    10. Del Potro: $16.6

    Flip a match or two and Wawrinka looks far more like the latter group than he does like Murray (to say nothing of Nadal, Djokovic or Federer). I think even on the actual results, he's far closer to the latter half of the "Top 10 of the Federer Era" than he is to Murray.
  15. Sportsbstn

    Sportsbstn Member SoSH Member

    If there a way to have Federer and Sampras play a match in their primes at Wimbledon, it would be insane. Both are and were just monsters on the surface.

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