The ‘18-‘19 Kings/Grizzlies/Clippers: Tracking the Picks

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Kings up 7 early against the Bucks. This lead seems insurmountable. Congrats to the Kings on a great home win.
 

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And Dallas beat the Pacers, which is something Cuban is probably not happy about. Last night was a good night for the picks.

In the West, Sacramento is up one game on the Lakers, 2 on the Wolves, 4 on the Mavs and 5 on the Pelicans. The Clippers and Spurs are up 2 on them, meanwhile, in holding the 7 and 8 seeds, and Utah 3.5 up on SAC for #6.
 

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And Dallas beat the Pacers, which is something Cuban is probably not happy about. Last night was a good night for the picks.

In the West, Sacramento is up one game on the Lakers, 2 on the Wolves, 4 on the Mavs and 5 on the Pelicans. The Clippers and Spurs are up 2 on them, meanwhile, in holding the 7 and 8 seeds, and Utah 3.5 up on SAC for #6.
Clippers at Sacramento on Friday. That's a big one. Unfortunately, the Kings are going to be very focused and will surely dispose of our pesky Clips in short order. Congratulations in advance to Sacramento on getting back to the winner's circle!
 

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Bagley was carried off the floor with a knee injury as well
I'm guessing that he passed the Lachman's test for his ACL following the injury as he was walking on his own following the game. That's a good sign and we should be hearing news on his MRI of the same knee he missed time with earlier this year with a bone bruise.
 

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My yahoo sports app says Kings are -4 tonight against Clippers. I think they forgot a zero.

Congrats to the playoff bound Kings on a resounding home win!
 

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Clippers dethrone Kings 116-109.

Harrison Barnes offensive foul with 9.2 seconds to go: the acquisition is already paying dividends.

Sail on, O Clipper ship of state!
 

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My yahoo sports app says Kings are -4 tonight against Clippers. I think they forgot a zero.

Congrats to the playoff bound Kings on a resounding home win!
I’d also add that they’re the most exciting young team in the league, and look to be way ahead of schedule. I don’t begrudge them any of the success they look sure to enjoy the rest of the season! Is a deep playoff run, a la last year’s Celtics, in the cards?
 

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Update on picks as of 3/1pm:

MEM 1st round pick - currently #6, top 8 protected, 4.0 games behind DAL w/19 games left (won't convey)
SAC 1st round pick - currently #14, top 1 protected, 2.5 games behind SA w/20 games left (will convey)
LAC 1st round pick - currently #19, top 14 protected, 3.0 games ahead of SAC w/18 games left (will convey)
BOS 2nd round pick - currently #52, 56-60 protected, 3.0 games behind IND w/19 games left (won't convey)

MEM schedule (9H, 10A, 6 vs. sub-.450) - DAL(x3), OKC(x2), GS(x2), POR(x2), ORL(x2), UTA, ATL, HOU, WAS, MIN, PHX, LAC, DET

SAC schedule (9H, 11A, 10 vs. sub-.450) - BOS(x2), NYK(x2), HOU(x2), DAL(x2), NO(x2), WAS, PHI, CHI, BRK, PHX, LAL, SA, CLE, UTA, POR

LAC schedule (12H, 6A, 6 vs. sub-.450) - LAL(x2), NYK(x2), CLE(x2), OKC, BOS, POR, CHI, BRK, IND, MIN, MIL, MEM, HOU, GS, UTA

BOS schedule (8H, 11A, 6 vs. sub-.450) - SAC(x2), MIA(x2), IND(x2), HOU, GS, LAC, LAL, DEN, PHI, ATL, SA, CLE, CHA, BRK, ORL, WAS
 

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Ohhh, love those home:away ratios, though Sac has an easier schedule. Clippers have a solid shot here.
 

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wait do we not own our own 1st rounder this year? edit: I guess those are just the picks with uncertainty attached.

I do love that we have both our head-to-heads left with SAC. Bet Danny's gonna give the team a speech worthy of Independence Day prior to those games. Likewise, BOS@LAC is the 4th game of a 4-game road trip for us, I bet we see a lot of extra rest that night.
 

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SAC has 10 games left against teams that are or should be tanking, LAC have six.

The Celtics could be a big factor in determining the playoff race. The Clippers are up two in the loss column, and already beat Boston at home. Boston needs to beat Sacto next Saturday, slink down the coast and lose to the Clips two days later, and then beat the Kings at home March 24th
 

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SAC has 10 games left against teams that are or should be tanking, LAC have six.

The Celtics could be a big factor in determining the playoff race. The Clippers are up two in the loss column, and already beat Boston at home. Boston needs to beat Sacto next Saturday, slink down the coast and lose to the Clips two days later, and then beat the Kings at home March 24th
I think it will be fascinating to see who gets the Clips game off as a rest day.
 

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Update on picks as of 3/1pm:

BOS 2nd round pick - currently #52, 56-60 protected, 3.0 games behind IND w/19 games left (won't convey)
I know a second isn't that big a deal, but I'm confused - if it's only protected 56-60, and is currently at 52, shouldn't it be tagged as will convey?
 

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wait do we not own our own 1st rounder this year? edit: I guess those are just the picks with uncertainty attached.
Yes we have our own.
We get Clippers if it's 15+
We get Kings unless they win lottery (#1 pick)
We may even get Grizzlies (if outside top 8)
 

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He made an error in his explanation.
It is protected 31-55.
Yes that is the standard league allowed protection for a player to be traded for a pick that both sides don't really care about the pick. 98% of the time it seems like it doesn't convey and the transaction is the player traded for air......which is what each side wanted anyway.
 

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Since there's no Tankathon 2019 thread, worth noting here: Dallas has been working real hard to give themselves a shot to keep their 2019 1st-round pick. It conveys to Atlanta if it's outside the top 5, but Dallas is at a pre-lottery #8 position right now after going 2-8 in their last 10, giving them a 26% chance to keep it (as top-4). Passing Washington for #7 (currently 1 GB) would bump it to 32%, and thence to 37% at #6 (3 GB of Memphis).
 

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Kings up 34-25 at the end of the 1st. They are at home against the hapless Knicks so this is all but a guaranteed win.
 

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I know a second isn't that big a deal, but I'm confused - if it's only protected 56-60, and is currently at 52, shouldn't it be tagged as will convey?
I'm assuming amfox is taking "convey" to mean "will be conveyed to a team that is not the original owner." That pick won't convey to Memphis - it'll stay in Boston.
 

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Update on picks as of 3/5pm (and edited to respond to above comments):

MEM 1st round pick - currently #6, top 8 protected, 4.5 games behind NO w/17 games left (won't convey to BOS)
SAC 1st round pick - currently #14, top 1 protected, 3.0 games behind SA w/19 games left (will convey to BOS)
LAC 1st round pick - currently #19, top 14 protected, 3.5 games ahead of SAC w/16 games left (will convey to BOS)
BOS 2nd round pick - currently #51, 31-55 protected, 3.0 games behind IND w/18 games left (won't convey to MEM)
BOS also has its own 1st round pick - currently #21

MEM schedule (9H, 8A, 5 vs. sub-.450) - DAL(x2), GS(x2), POR(x2), ORL(x2), OKC, UTA, ATL, HOU, WAS, MIN, PHX, LAC, DET

SAC schedule (8H, 11A, 9 vs. sub-.450) - BOS(x2), HOU(x2), DAL(x2), NO(x2), NYK, WAS, PHI, CHI, BRK, PHX, LAL, SA, CLE, UTA, POR

LAC schedule (11H, 5A, 4 vs. sub-.450) - CLE(x2), NYK, LAL, OKC, BOS, POR, CHI, BRK, IND, MIN, MIL, MEM, HOU, GS, UTA

BOS schedule (7H, 11A, 6 vs. sub-.450) - SAC(x2), MIA(x2), IND(x2), GS, LAC, LAL, DEN, PHI, ATL, SA, CLE, CHA, BRK, ORL, WAS
 

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Thanks as always for compiling those, Amfox.
Appears we should be rooting for LAC to cool down a bit.
 

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No way. We want LAC to win every game until they have clinched a playoff spot.
Exactly - you have to remember that there are 3 teams in the east that will almost certainly have a worse record than whatever team gets the #8 slot in the west. And will likely have a worse record than the #9 team in the west as well. Basically the highest pick that Boston can get from LAC is 18.
 

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No way. We want LAC to win every game until they have clinched a playoff spot.
I think I'm just being obtuse here, but why do we not want to the LAC pick to convey this year? Doesn't it have the same protections next year and then converts to a second-rounder? Is the idea just that since we'll already have Philly's pick this year it's better to have the LAC pick "saved" until next year?

Edit: I think BlackJack basically answered my question. Still, isn't there a risk that, if the Clippers pick doesn't convey this year, the Clippers are bottom-14 next year and then we get essentially nothing?
 

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I think I'm just being obtuse here, but why do we not want to the LAC pick to convey this year? Doesn't it have the same protections next year and then converts to a second-rounder? Is the idea just that since we'll already have Philly's pick this year it's better to have the LAC pick "saved" until next year?

Edit: I think BlackJack basically answered my question. Still, isn't there a risk that, if the Clippers pick doesn't convey this year, the Clippers are bottom-14 next year and then we get essentially nothing?
Yup. That's exactly the risk. There's no guarantee that they are a playoff team next year and if they don't land a guy like Kawhi, they almost certainly will not be. We want the pick to convey this year and lock in the return. As BlackJack mentioned, the pick won't be any higher than 18 but it also shouldn't be any lower than, say, #20 or so.

The SAC pick has been disappointing but getting the LAC pick would be a nice consolation prize and would allow Danny to move up in the draft a few spots should the need arise. It also adds an additional trade chip that he can offer to New Orleans.
 

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I think I'm just being obtuse here, but why do we not want to the LAC pick to convey this year? Doesn't it have the same protections next year and then converts to a second-rounder? Is the idea just that since we'll already have Philly's pick this year it's better to have the LAC pick "saved" until next year?

Edit: I think BlackJack basically answered my question. Still, isn't there a risk that, if the Clippers pick doesn't convey this year, the Clippers are bottom-14 next year and then we get essentially nothing?
I think you are misreading. Everyone is saying we need/want the pick to convey this year. In order to lock that result in, we want LAC to win win win. Don't worry about whether they finish 7th or 6th in the WEST, or whether they finish ahead of any EAST teams.
 

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why did this have to be the year that Sacramento seized competence from the jaws of permanent dysfunction?

There are a million articles on the Lakers, but I'm not sure I've seen a good one on the Kings.
 

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Yup. That's exactly the risk. There's no guarantee that they are a playoff team next year and if they don't land a guy like Kawhi, they almost certainly will not be. We want the pick to convey this year and lock in the return. As BlackJack mentioned, the pick won't be any higher than 18 but it also shouldn't be any lower than, say, #20 or so.

The SAC pick has been disappointing but getting the LAC pick would be a nice consolation prize and would allow Danny to move up in the draft a few spots should the need arise. It also adds an additional trade chip that he can offer to New Orleans.
I think you are misreading. Everyone is saying we need/want the pick to convey this year. In order to lock that result in, we want LAC to win win win. Don't worry about whether they finish 7th or 6th in the WEST, or whether they finish ahead of any EAST teams.
That makes more sense. Like I said, I knew I was just being obtuse.
 

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Kings vs. an already peaked Celtics team tonight . This could get ugly. Congrats in advance to the Kings for their 50 point transitive win over the Warriors!
 

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Bad win for Memphis, let’s not get any ideas here. They’re gonna be on the bubble and if one of a handful of teams falters, could slip to 9. Dallas is tanking, clearly, so that puts Memphis at 8.
 

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why did this have to be the year that Sacramento seized competence from the jaws of permanent dysfunction?

There are a million articles on the Lakers, but I'm not sure I've seen a good one on the Kings.
To answer your first question because they seem to have drafted competently and the Hield trade has worked out. Even the Harry Giles pick is starting to pay off.

As for articles, here are two you might want to look at: https://deadspin.com/the-sacramento-kings-are-done-waiting-1832436407: and https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2019/2/20/18230802/sacramento-kings-golden-state-warriors-comparison.
 

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Yup, most of their moves since that disastrous/moronic Sixers trade have been really strong. Does Vlade have strong help under him now?
 

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Bad win for Memphis, let’s not get any ideas here. They’re gonna be on the bubble and if one of a handful of teams falters, could slip to 9. Dallas is tanking, clearly, so that puts Memphis at 8.
If MEM falls to 8 pre-lottery, there is still a reasonable chance (30%?) that the lottery pushes them to 9. It would be much tougher for the lottery to push MEM to 9 from the 6 or 7 spots.
 

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I'm not worried about Memphis. They're at 40 losses and the 7/8 teams (WAS/DAL) are at 37 and 36, respectively. Memphis isn't going to win very many more games. This one feels pretty safe.
 

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Yup, most of their moves since that disastrous/moronic Sixers trade have been really strong. Does Vlade have strong help under him now?
Funny how much better as a franchise they have been since they decided to get rid of Boogie. Yeah I know, correlation, not causation.

You know - funny thing about that "disastrous" Sixers trade. If SAC doesn't make that trade, there's a good chance that SAC ends up with Fultz so looking back in hindsight, it was probably worth it to SAC to get rid of this year's pick to make sure they got Fox and not Fultz. I don't know who PHI would have ended up picking (Monk?) but SAC dodged a bullet there. Not defending the trade (yes it was asinine on many levels) but just pointing out that sometimes franchises get lucky despite all odds.
 

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Funny how much better as a franchise they have been since they decided to get rid of Boogie. Yeah I know, correlation, not causation.

You know - funny thing about that "disastrous" Sixers trade. If SAC doesn't make that trade, there's a good chance that SAC ends up with Fultz so looking back in hindsight, it was probably worth it to SAC to get rid of this year's pick to make sure they got Fox and not Fultz. I don't know who PHI would have ended up picking (Monk?) but SAC dodged a bullet there. Not defending the trade (yes it was asinine on many levels) but just pointing out that sometimes franchises get lucky despite all odds.
I have no problem even saying causation in Boogie’s case. They were finally able to build an identity once he left, and have a ton more cohesiveness. They also have 3 guys in Fox, Hield, and Bagley whose upside ranges from very good to elite. I’d take cohesion+upside anyday over whatever the hell the Boogie experience was.

And you’re right, a lot of good things happened to make that Philly trade less of a disaster. They got Fox instead of Fultz, and will likely get to convey a #13 or so, all while nailing a lot of draft picks along the way. Better to be lucky than good, as I’m sure Danny would agree.
 

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They got Fox instead of Fultz, and will likely get to convey a #13 or so, all while nailing a lot of draft picks along the way. Better to be lucky than good, as I’m sure Danny would agree.
I keep thinking about the Lakers taking Lonzo over Fox at #2, just a few months after Fox smoked Lonzo in the tournament. Lonzo could still develop into a difference maker on the court, but Fox really seems to be a culture changer over in SacTown, they really seem to feed off his energy there.
 

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Maglinka have to be really kicking themselves over that move as Davis would be a Laker today had they selected Fox.