Tottenham 2016-17: No really, 3rd place was fine

[DJnVa]

Tottenham to sign Victor Wanyama after physical.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/20/tottenham-victor-wanyama-southampton-11m-deal

Victor Wanyama is set to complete an £11m move from Southampton to Tottenham Hotspur, after the clubs reached an agreement over the transfer fee. The Kenya midfielder’s medical and personal terms will follow in due course and neither is expected to be problematic.

Mauricio Pochettino, the Tottenham manager, is a long-term admirer of Wanyama, having worked with him when he was in charge at Southampton and he made an unsuccessful attempt to take him to White Hart Lane last summer.

 

[Tangled Up In Red]

Wanyama provides cover/competition for Dier AND Toby (Wanyama at CDM and Dier can drop to CB).
Strong (if un-sexy) signing and good value.

 

[Mugsy's Jock]

Wanyama made the announcement to inmates in the maximum security wing in a Kenyan prison.

Which is absolutely how I plan to share updates on my own career from now on. LinkedIn be damned.

http://www.soccerinfomania.com/14657/southampton-star-victor-wanyama-has-made-a-surprising-revelation-in-prison/

 

[coremiller]

There will be a lot more to say about this team, but we need a thread because Spurs have announced their first signing of the summer: Victor Wanyama for a reported 11m gbp on a five-year deal.

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/victor-wanyama-transfer-completed-230616/

I like this signing a lot. Spurs badly need midfield depth (Ryan Mason as the the 3rd CM was not nearly good enough), and Wanyama will give them a physical dimension that a team of mostly smaller players otherwise lacks. He also has experience in the Pocchetino system at Southampton, so the transition should be a smooth one. 11m is good value as well for an established starter in a top-8 PL team -- Wanyama had only one year left on his contract. I'm surprised though that there wasn't more competition for him at that price.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Wanyama is a fantastic signing for that price. I don't see him playing alongside Dier very often but he seems valuable not just as DM cover but because Dier can play CB. So if Vertonghen or Alderweireld get hurt, Dier can go into the backline and you play Wanyama at DM.

 

[Infield Infidel]

Wanyama also has experience playing central defender

 

[DJnVa]

Dude?

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/tottenham-2016-17-no-really-3rd-place-was-fine.14617/

 

[DJnVa]

EDIT: Double post

 

[coremiller]

Dude?

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/tottenham-2016-17-no-really-3rd-place-was-fine.14617/

I thought I checked for a new thread and totally missed this. My apologies. Can a mod combine them?

 

[DJnVa]

Yo @Zomp combine these things?

 

[soxfan121]

EDIT: Unnecessary snark? Sure, let's go with that.

 

[Jimy Hendrix]

Wanyama is a fantastic signing for that price. I don't see him playing alongside Dier very often but he seems valuable not just as DM cover but because Dier can play CB. So if Vertonghen or Alderweireld get hurt, Dier can go into the backline and you play Wanyama at DM.

It'd be weird to start most games with both of them playing unless it's a really defensive setup, but I could see him coming in as a sub alongside Dier to close out games when needed, which is certainly a problem Spurs have had and not had a great solution for.

 

[DJnVa]

Saw a stat that said that Wanyama has forced more turnovers in the midfield third of field than any PL player over the last 3 years.

 

[soxfan121]

I wonder if England's disastrous Euro campaign affects any of the young starlets who are taking a beating from the media (Kane & Alli most prominently).

 

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

No, I don't think it will based on history. Club and country performance are oddly partitioned for the most part. Glenn Hoddle had nightmares for England but would still come back and perform his magic for Spurs year in and year out. It's such a small sample size and these guys have performed well over a large sample size for club. I don't see either faring poorly because of the bad press.

 

[DJnVa]

Sigh: http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36676354

Vertonghen out 8 weeks with ankle injury. If that includes rehab time he'd miss the first 3 PL games--Everton, CP, and Liverpool.

 

[DJnVa]

New kits:

 

[Jimy Hendrix]

The home kit looks like someone made a mistake on the computer while designing the neckline.

 

[soxfan121]

Harry Kane looks good in a Hull uniform.

 

[Jimy Hendrix]

The UA logo on the third one plus the pinstripes makes it look like someone gold plated the Yankees.

I still kinda like it though.

 

[Gunfighter 09]

The away uniform is badass, hopefully I still can get a Yedlin kit in early September.

I wonder if they are going to wear the white shorts for UCL matches (like they did in Europa last year) or if they will just go with what we see in the picture.

 

[Tangled Up In Red]

Last season with UA before a reported Nike switch.
Like most of Spurs UA kits, not bad, not great, but they'll look good on TV. (I kinda like each of them, but at least one element of each bugs me).

 

[The Price Is Wrong]

The away uniform is badass, hopefully I still can get a Yedlin kit in early September.

Wait, are they taking back Yedlin? Last I heard Sunderland were going to bid to retain him.

 

[Gunfighter 09]

Wait, are they taking back Yedlin? Last I heard Sunderland were going to bid to retain him.

Rumor is Sunderland wants to keep him, either as a permanent transfer or on another loan.

I hope Spurs dump Tripier and let Yedlin be Walker's caddy full time. Spurs are in four competitions and Poch habitually rotates his fullbacks, so there should be plenty of run for Yedlin as the back up. If they wash out of the cups & UCL, they can always loan him in January.

 

[coremiller]

Spurs have signed Dutch forward Vincent Janssen from AZ Alkmaar for a rumored 18m fee. Janssen is 22 and was the Eredivisie top scorer last year with 27 goals in 34 games. Obviously a lot of mediocre players have torn up the Eredivisie (I'm looking at you, Jozy), but having some depth for Kane in the squad is definitely a good thing.

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/janssen-move-secured-120716/

 

[Tangled Up In Red]

And rumors of Mario Götze are out there...

 

[DJnVa]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jul/11/football-transfer-rumours-tottenham-mario-gotze

Tottenham Hotspur like the look of Bayern Munich’s Götze. But Üter from The Simpsons fancies rejoining Borussia Dortmund, where life was so much more fun. At least Tottenham look like being successful in their bid for Newcastle United’s Gini Wijnaldum, though, with the midfielder set to beg and plead for the right to leave Big Friendly Mike’s Workshop of Fun.

 

[Gunfighter 09]

So the player would rather go to Dortmund, but Bayern would certainly rather see him at Spurs than playing for their chief rival for the league.

Obviously this means he will wind up at Chelsea.

 

[DJnVa]

Another one brought in.

The link is older, but there has been confirmation starting to flow in on twitter: http://www.skysports.com/football/news/15122/10505233/georges-kevin-nkoudou-all-you-need-to-know-about-the-tottenham-transfer-target

N'Koudou is a fast, hard-working winger who loves to run with the ball and take on defenders. He is comfortable on either foot, meaning opponents can never be sure whether he will charge down the flank to cross, or cut inside to go for goal himself.

His scoring record of a goal every four games last season highlights his attacking threat. He has a powerful long-range shot and he is also confident when dispatching chances in the penalty box.

One of his biggest strengths is his dribbling ability. Only six players in Ligue 1 averaged more successful dribbles per game than N'Koudou (2.3) last season. His pace is dangerous on the counter-attack, and his quick feet and acceleration allow him to beat defenders from a standing position.

Per the same article, his touch sometimes lets him down and he does turn the ball over a bit too much.

 

[DJnVa]

Tottenham thrashed Inter 6-1 today.

Kane with a brace, with Lamela, Alli, Janssen, and Harrison also scoring. Harrison is just 18, scored 10 goals for U21 last year.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10524133/tottenham-6-1-inter-milan-spurs-rout-inter-in-second-half-scoring-spree

 

[eddiew112]

Lloris out 4 weeks with a hamstring injury...lovely

 

[Mugsy's Jock]

#THFC team: Vorm, Walker, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Rose; Dier, Wanyama, Eriksen, Alli, Lamela; Kane (c)

Alli back n starting XI vs. Liverpool,

 

[DJnVa]

http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com/2016/8/31/12725576/tottenham-hotspur-transfer-news-max-meyer-schalke-04

Bild Sport are reporting that Tottenham are ready to break the club record fee with a £38m bid for Schalke 04 star, Max Meyer. The primary article is behind a paywall, but just about every publication has linked this story, so let’s look at The Express to see what this is about.

And now according to German newspaper Bild, Tottenham are ready to make a £38m bid for the midfielder.

The report adds Schalke sporting director Christian Heidel would consider accepting the huge offer for Meyer even if he does not have time to bring in a replacement.

Spurs are apparently ready to hand the German a 5-year deal worth £7m per year.

 

[Jimy Hendrix]

If he's as good at football as he is at Twitter than this signing was a steal.

 

[LondonSox]

£30 million for Sissoko.... good luck with that!

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

How many big fast physical central midfielders that can't really control a match with passing or create in the final third does one team need?

 

[Jimy Hendrix]

Judging from the results with Dembele out, at least one more than they had previously.

 

[Infield Infidel]

Sissoko created 56 chances last year, and that's with not giving a shit for half of the season. 60 chances a few years back. Newcastle obviously couldn't finish many of them. He's a run-with-the-ball last pass kind of player, he's not going to pick a guy out from 30 yards but when he attracts defenders knows where to pass it. He can also play on the wing, but crosses more than he should, and seemed less committed in general and woeful defensively on the wing. In the middle of a 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1 with Cabaye as the playmaker and Tiote defending, Sissoko was great as a go between.

 

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

No, I don't think it will based on history. Club and country performance are oddly partitioned for the most part. Glenn Hoddle had nightmares for England but would still come back and perform his magic for Spurs year in and year out. It's such a small sample size and these guys have performed well over a large sample size for club. I don't see either faring poorly because of the bad press.

Obviously this isn't true for Jack Wilshire.

Hee-hee.

 

[coremiller]

I think Sissoko is talented and will be a valuable addition if Poch can get him to commit to the pressing system, but the fee is crazy. 30m for a guy who is 27, has a history of attitude issues, and isn't even clearly first choice in the current squad makes no sense.

 

[scott bankheadcase]

The fee is almost offset by the 26m they received for Mason and Chadli though. Sissoko is an upgrade over them (trying to talk myself into it as 30 seems high for him).

 

[Tangled Up In Red]

Fee is reported a 6m / year for 5 years. BUT, only due and payable while he's Spurs. So if he plays 3 years and then sold, he'll end up costing (only) 18m.
If true, amazing deal / structure.
http://www.tottenhamblog.com/2016/09/01/how-much-are-spurs-really-paying-for-moussa-sissoko/

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Fee is reported a 6m / year for 5 years. BUT, only due and payable while he's Spurs. So if he plays 3 years and then sold, he'll end up costing (only) 18m.
If true, amazing deal / structure.
http://www.tottenhamblog.com/2016/09/01/how-much-are-spurs-really-paying-for-moussa-sissoko/

This doesn't make a lot of sense, unless there is some further provision about a sell on fee. Otherwise, Spurs could just sell him next summer having paid just 6M and pocket the difference between that and his next fee.

 

[Gunfighter 09]

No it doesn't make much sense. But neither does getting 13m for Ryan Mason, so perhaps its just another Levy miracle of money saving. That kind of structure would be the other shoe that drops on a transfer that is really out of character for Levy, with the only possible parallel in terms of player age and cost being the Soldado deal in 2013.

 

[LondonSox]

No it doesn't make much sense. But neither does getting 13m for Ryan Mason, so perhaps its just another Levy miracle of money saving. That kind of structure would be the other shoe that drops on a transfer that is really out of character for Levy, with the only possible parallel in terms of player age and cost being the Soldado deal in 2013.

You are missing that another team bid 30mm. There's no way, or to be more accurate I'd be stunned, if that deal is structured as you describe.
ALL deals are ammortised in accounting (ie he costs 6m for 5 years in terms of accounting impact on Spur's balance sheet), perhaps there is some confusion around that?
There's no way Newcastle sold him for potentially 6mm, where if Spurs sell him for 1 pound next year they pay, and Newcastle get, only 6mm. When there was a payer of 30mm normally right there.
Sorry. Not buying that story

 

[bstoker7]

You are missing that another team bid 30mm. There's no way, or to be more accurate I'd be stunned, if that deal is structured as you describe.
ALL deals are ammortised in accounting (ie he costs 6m for 5 years in terms of accounting impact on Spur's balance sheet), perhaps there is some confusion around that?
There's no way Newcastle sold him for potentially 6mm, where if Spurs sell him for 1 pound next year they pay, and Newcastle get, only 6mm. When there was a payer of 30mm normally right there.
Sorry. Not buying that story

It would make more sense to me if Spurs paid 6m/yr until they sold, at which point they would then pay the remainder of the 30m.

 

[Tangled Up In Red]

It would make more sense to me if Spurs paid 6m/yr until they sold, at which point they would then pay the remainder of the 30m.

This sounds plausible.

 

[PrestonBroadus Lives]

Tom Collomosse, the writer from the London Evening Standard article that was linked by the Tottenham blog, clarified later on twitter:

No, they'll get their 30m, but when he's ultimately sold that will be part of the negotiations with the buying club.

 

[LondonSox]

Right yeah OK that makes more sense.

 

[Mugsy's Jock]

Lovely 4-0 thrashing of Stoke.

So much better coordinated today -- Eriksen's two assists were exceptional, and Son makes a real difference in keeping the team wide and flowing. Stoke's backline was perpetually a step behind.

And 'appy to see 'Arry off the schneid!