RIP Toucher and Rich Show ... It was fun while it lasted

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Yup, 42. My boys are 12 and 9

Edit: I'm also now a boss and manage my own territory as opposed to being an employee.
Bingo. I'm in nearly exactly the same boat. 42, kids are 13 & 9, and my job is a monster.

This is what happens, the interest in sports remains high, but the passion wanes. It's probably for the best, personally speaking it wasn't healthy how wrapped up I was in sports in, say, the early 2000s. The 2003 ALCS nearly killed me.

Bringing it back to this thread... this is why I really enjoy T&R. At their best they put sports in its proper context while running an entertaining show. I feel like Fred's been much better lately, after he was called out by Rich for his constant Eeyore schtick. When a guy's personna is being the cynical, grumpy one there's a fine line between interesting and entertaining, and predictable and boring. He had crossed that line but I think he's come back to the other side.
 

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Bingo. I'm in nearly exactly the same boat. 42, kids are 13 & 9, and my job is a monster.

This is what happens, the interest in sports remains high, but the passion wanes. It's probably for the best, personally speaking it wasn't healthy how wrapped up I was in sports in, say, the early 2000s. The 2003 ALCS nearly killed me.

Bringing it back to this thread... this is why I really enjoy T&R. At their best they put sports in its proper context while running an entertaining show. I feel like Fred's been much better lately, after he was called out by Rich for his constant Eeyore schtick. When a guy's personna is being the cynical, grumpy one there's a fine line between interesting and entertaining, and predictable and boring. He had crossed that line but I think he's come back to the other side.
I want to co-sign on all of those.

The second half of the Ray Lewis stuff was fantastic. "I couldn't punch." "But could he stab?"
 

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I still can't believe someone had OJ do a Punk'd like reality show. I some how missed it after all these years.
 

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I want to co-sign on all of those.

The second half of the Ray Lewis stuff was fantastic. "I couldn't punch." "But could he stab?"
I'm so conflicted about Ray Lewis. I despise him as a human being, but I'm so entertained by listening to his nonsense getting made fun of by Fred.
 

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I'm so conflicted about Ray Lewis. I despise him as a human being, but I'm so entertained by listening to his nonsense getting made fun of by Fred.
Oh, for sure. Yes, he's a hateful dude and yada yada, but America needs to hear this buffoon when delivers messages like "God told him to touch Jacoby Jones so he could run the kick off back" and "I tied my arm up with a shoelace to I could sleep for a few hours". It's a public service announcement on what crazy sounds like.
 

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I'm seeing tweets about Kirk Minihane going after Fred on the airwaves today. Plus his twitter bio now says: "One day Fred Toucher will validate me. And it will be glorious."

Sports Debate Part 2???
 

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Kirk was attacking Fred out of nowhere again? Strange that the ratings came out today and T&R were ahead by a mile once again. Funny how that timing works out.

I hope T&R never even mention the other show again. It's just not worth it for them.
 

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Uh, did you know that D&C get huge ratings in Portland? Cause we all know that's what really matters.
 

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Wallach started this yesterday and is back at it today about Price in the 8th (paraphrasing)

Wallach: A true ace doesn't give up that home run there after your offense ties the game.
Fred: What should he have done?
W: Not given up a home run.
F: Alright. So he can't make mistakes? He gave up 3 runs total
W: No an ace can't give up a homer in that situation.
F: So what should he have done differently?
W: Struck the guy out!

Even when I complain about media members I realize they are way better at what they do than I ever could be. But how does Wallach have the job he does? This is early 2000s WEEI stupidity.
 

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Wallach started this yesterday and is back at it today about Price in the 8th (paraphrasing)

Wallach: A true ace doesn't give up that home run there after your offense ties the game.
Fred: What should he have done?
W: Not given up a home run.
F: Alright. So he can't make mistakes? He gave up 3 runs total
W: No an ace can't give up a homer in that situation.
F: So what should he have done differently?
W: Struck the guy out!

Even when I complain about media members I realize they are way better at what they do than I ever could be. But how does Wallach have the job he does? This is early 2000s WEEI stupidity.
I the show's defense, I thought Fred did a good job of pointing out how absurd Wallach's argument and reasoning were. Rich helped gang up on the birdman's stupidity as well.

Separately, I have to give the show credit for offering two interesting golf segments over the last two weeks. I don't watch it but the guy last week was super engaging, and today's interview was great too.
 

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Interesting to hear Fred tell folks to listen to WZLX today thru Friday with Joey Kramer (and Chachi Loprete) filling in. I used to love listening to Chachi on BCN, but the 10 minutes I heard was just ads for Joey's coffee and cafe, and Ernie Boch Jr. doing the same thing.
 

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3 days in a row of Roche in Rich's slot is just too much.
Maybe, but the "Make Dan Roche Cry" segment yesterday (8 AM hour), which included some riveting Toy Story 3 discussion, was the funniest thing I've heard all week.
 

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Vacation? It's pretty common for both Fred & Rich to take multiple weeks off in the summer - Fred was talking about being off for the rest of this week this morning, I assume so he can go paddle board or something.
 

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Vacation? It's pretty common for both Fred & Rich to take multiple weeks off in the summer - Fred was talking about being off for the rest of this week this morning, I assume so he can go paddle board or something.
Pretty sure hes in Vegas and going to UFC 200 this weekend.
 

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Yea, it's summer vacation time - which means a couple weeks of unlistenable shit heads like Wallach running point on the show. The month of July is just awful for T&R listeners. I've already switched to podcasts until August. As much as Roche can make me chuckle sometimes, he needs to have his punchlines put on a tee for him by Fred, and Wallach just blows.
 

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Just a heads up I believe they are starting 98 mile today. Any word on if it'll actually be online this year?
 

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They are replaying it at 9:20 BTW

Flynn was better, but Zo's was certainly.....vintage Zo
 

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Flynn did a decent job with his, but it started slow. He definitely had a better structure. Zo's was bizarre, too long, and borderline insane. Or as pointed out above, typical Zo.
 

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Doubtful; the same copyright issues that existed last year still exist this year.
Maybe I'm just naive, but I always thought that was an excuse to make people listen to it live rather than only doing it online. Stuff is sampled everywhere all the time....
 

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Maybe I'm just naive, but I always thought that was an excuse to make people listen to it live rather than only doing it online. Stuff is sampled everywhere all the time....
I recall some discussion on this last year in this thread, but I think the length of the sample is the issue. Plus, to officially "sample" something, you need to provide compensation to the original artist. I'm pretty sure T&R's budget isn't big enough for that.
 

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It's the sample issue. They made them all available to stream the first time or 2 they did it. Then they must have heard from legal and had to stop the next time. Also, they make everything else available on the podcast. I'm not sure why this one bit would make them change.
 

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FYI, today's are on the Hour 3 podcast. I was bummed that I was going to miss it this morning but downloaded the pods for a flight and was pleasantly surprised.

Flynn came strong--the chorus, the Edelman dig, the listing of shitty QBs that actually played--good stuff. Zo gets points being Zo. The "you were on sterrrroidddds" was a great start before devolving into Zo stream of consciousness.
 

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Maybe I'm just naive, but I always thought that was an excuse to make people listen to it live rather than only doing it online. Stuff is sampled everywhere all the time....
Copyright rules work somewhat differently for "broadcast" than for "recordings". The distinctions become somewhat arcane in the digital world of 2016, where everything is technically recorded and re-played, but the short version is that the licensing is very different if you play something over the air, versus if you are publishing a "record". As a radio broadcaster, 98.5's existing media licensing agreements and payment structures allow T&R to basically play any published recording on the air, including loops and samples, but offering a digital file of just the 98-mile track is much closer to publishing a new artistic work ("releasing a single", so to speak).

It's not like Congress has written black-letter law that has been extensively tried and tested, for how to treat podcasts of radio talk-show parody songs that use sampled audio from copyrighted songs (at least, not as far as I know). I think it's more like, TSH's lawyers said something like, "sampling and looping content for your on-air broadcast is fine, and so is talking over it or singing over it. So broadcasting these parodies might be a little iffy, but it's really close to stuff that we could easily defend. But taking extended samples of someone else's copyrighted song and making a new song out of it, recording it, and then publishing and releasing that record online, without permission to use the sample, is illegal. So releasing these songs as isolated recordings is very close to stuff that would be difficult for us to defend in court."
 

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Jones was actually really impressive. It was probably the most legitimate rap performance, and certainly the best technical one, that has ever been on 98-mile.
 

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Not that I'm treading any new ground here, but Flynn is so terrible. Thank God for podcasts on my commute when he's hosting.
 

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Not that I'm treading any new ground here, but Flynn is so terrible. Thank God for podcasts on my commute when he's hosting.
Johnston and Flynn are brutal fill-ins for T&R. They are ok in small doses on the weekends, but it's pretty much a total snooze fest.
 

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Just played Jones vs Roche on 98 mile. Jones was awful. Roche was actually pretty funny
 

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Roche was great. Fred's right, it was a classic middle aged white guy rap.

I thought Jones was pretty good. His strong mimic skills make all the more sense given his Felger-lite persona.