Trade season has begun
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Fantastic job getting Eloy Jimenez and taking advantage of the Cubs desperation.
Glad the Yankees didn't pay that price.
Glad the Yankees didn't pay that price.
That appears to be a damn good haul for the White Sox. Jimenez is in most people's top 5 prospects.
And Dylan Cease is a BA top 100 guy. Sounds eerily like the haul for Sale. Except they got the lesser pitcher.
I just don't love Quintana in general. He has gotten it done over the past few years prior to this, but he has never struck me as a guy I want on the mound in game 1 or 2 of the postseason.
Personally I think this was pretty insane on the Cubs side
Personally I think this was pretty insane on the Cubs side
I'm glad the Yankees didn't do it, but I think it makes sense for the Cubs, who have Arrieta and Lackey hitting free agency this winter and a rotation filled with question marks, plus a young position player core already in place and still a fair amount of talent left in the minors. Quintana is under team control through 2020, so that helps Theo plan the offseason more easily.
FWIW -
Dave Cameron's latest trade value series has him at #42 (Moncada is 41)
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-trade-value-41-to-50/
Dave Cameron's latest trade value series has him at #42 (Moncada is 41)
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-trade-value-41-to-50/
This does seem like an overpay, but of the pitchers who are going to be available at the deadline, Quintana might be the best combination of quality and cost control. The only exception might be one of the Mets guys, but I'm not sure the Mets are going to be open to dealing one of their elite pitchers for prospects (though they should be). Theo may have figured Quintana was the best of a bad lot.
I also have to wonder if the Cubs have a similar problem as the Celtics claim to, where it's hard to get a good deal done because you have so many assets that teams demand more from you in a trade because they know you can afford it.
I also have to wonder if the Cubs have a similar problem as the Celtics claim to, where it's hard to get a good deal done because you have so many assets that teams demand more from you in a trade because they know you can afford it.
Just curious what the group thinks - Would Sonny Gray be able to get a bigger or smaller haul of prospects back? He seems like an interesting case and I can't really gauge his worth/value.
Quintana apparently knows what was ailing Quintana. Since the start of June:
2.70 ERA, 3.40 FIP, 3.52 xFIP, 10.1 K/9 (27.1%) and 3.6 BB/9 (9.6%) with a .277 BABIP.
Still walking too many, but he's been very good for about a month and a half now.
Smaller, I think, he is under team control one less year (so 2 1/2 years vs. 3 1/2 for Quintana) and Quintana has been much more consistent, at least until the first couple of months this year.
This is where I am at too.
Wouldn't be a big fan of paying out big on Arrieta for what he might give you going forward. The potential that you end up slotting in that super team friendly contract on a pretty good pitcher in his place makes it worth the overall risk.
Ya I looked more closely after the fact. It's not as nuts as I thought. The premium was also to get him now rather than risk weird stuff happening at the deadline.
Makes sense, Cubs replace Arrieta half a season early and if they are lousy in the next 3 seasons they can flip Quintana again, presuming he's healthy. This is a move that would have made sense for the Cubs in the offseason so if Theo was willing to pay the price, he looks bold for paying the price for a very good pitcher now even with his team struggling. NL West teams are playing for the WC and the NL East looks likely to only send 1 team to October, so this also locks out the Brewers and Cardinals from Quintana. Good news for us and other AL contenders too that Quintana isn't going to Houston or the Bronx.
Yeah good deal. The Nats needed quantity and quality. And they got two solid arms performing well, and if Doolittle stays healthy he is also on a nice contract.
They can still make a moves if they feel they need to.
They can still make a moves if they feel they need to.
If they hadn't just traded Eloy Jimenez that might make sense. But since they did, I don't see how they can move Schwarber now.
Here's take locally from solid baseball guy.
Yeah, it's a good move. Yes, Nats were not as hosed as they could have been.
But bottom line is they should have addressed pen in the offseason. What they came into this season with was 100-to-1 shot to stick. Lerners hamstrung Rizzo -- while having no problem doing a solid for a Boras client at a position that was dramatically less impactful and in need of shoring up than the pen.
For the uninitiated, here's how that pen was trending for 2017:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/06/13/nats-bullpen-is-on-pace-to-be-the-worst-in-team-history/
Thanks. Was Weiters really 'doing Boras a solid' though? A one year deal doesn't strike me as hamstringing the Lerners. It hasn't panned out all that great, but it seems like a typical Boras one make good deal. What were Rizzo's options? Pay a shitload for Chapman/Jansen or resign Melnacon who is now hurt? Those first two deals will probably end up looking bad and Melancon already appears to be. I'm not sure he had a ton of options, though trying to tie Robertson into the Eaton deal might have been smart. And I love that the author cites the Scherzer deal. That thing may turn into the best FA deal ever given out.
Edit ok not 'ever'. But of recent times for big money deals.
Edit ok not 'ever'. But of recent times for big money deals.
some people see it that way as there wasn't really any market for him, and we had just traded for Derek Norris. Norris was comeback candidate of the year material for some people in nats fandom. but to be fair, the recently released derek norris was a more valuable player to the rays than weiters has been for the nats this year. Weiters is being paid $10.5 million this year, and has a player option for $10.5 million next year, which looks like a great deal for him now. If Derek Norris and Matt Weiters are the same player, why not save money on the catcher and get some better help for the bullpen?
Also, maybe Blanton has a better second half, Koda Glover gets a little better, and the two new guys solidify the pen for a playoff run.
Also, maybe Blanton has a better second half, Koda Glover gets a little better, and the two new guys solidify the pen for a playoff run.
Ken RosenthalVerified account @Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago
Source confirms: #DBacks acquiring J.D. Martinez from #Tigers. First: @JonMorosi.
Source confirms: #DBacks acquiring J.D. Martinez from #Tigers. First: @JonMorosi.
For three minor league IF: Dawel Lugo, Sergio Alcantara, and Jose King, which strikes me as a very light return -- of the three, only Lugo seems like he might have any chance at being a first-division regular. But what do I know.
Nick Piecoro @nickpiecoro
Dbacks are sending prospects Dawel Lugo, Sergio Alcantara and Jose King to the Tigers in exchange for J.D. Martinez.
Nick Piecoro @nickpiecoro
Dbacks are sending prospects Dawel Lugo, Sergio Alcantara and Jose King to the Tigers in exchange for J.D. Martinez.
Right? I mean, I'm not an expert on the Arizona system, but Lugo seems like his median outcome is Marco Hernandez, Alcantara seems like an all-glove SS in A-ball, and I can't find anything on Jose King. Even for a rental where the D-backs are picking up the whole salary, that's a very reasonable price.
Reading across the internet that Tozz Frazier was a last-min healthy scratch tonight. Been heavily rumored to be Boston-bound, no?
On a personal level this is very exciting for our family. Our nephew has been playing for the D-Backs A team in Kane County. He's a SS growing up but been playing 1st. Seeing three SS move out of the organization is going to open the door for a promotion for him to Visalia; High A ball.
Frazier, Robertson, Kahnle "close" to the Yankees
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/yankees-nearing-deal-to-acquire-frazier-robertson-kahnle.html
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/yankees-nearing-deal-to-acquire-frazier-robertson-kahnle.html
Sherman reporting Phelps to Seattle for multiple prospects
Edit: Outfielder Brayan Hernandez is the top prospect headed to the Marlins in the deal, tweets Passan. Sherman adds that the Marlins are also receiving right-handers Brandon Miller, Pablo Lopez and Lucas Schiraldi in the trade.
Edit: Outfielder Brayan Hernandez is the top prospect headed to the Marlins in the deal, tweets Passan. Sherman adds that the Marlins are also receiving right-handers Brandon Miller, Pablo Lopez and Lucas Schiraldi in the trade.
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MLBTR (from Jon Morosi)
Trade talks between the Astros and Athletics pertaining to Sonny Gray are “heating up,” according to MLB.com’s Jon Morosi (Twitter links). Morosi adds that while Houston is in talks with the A’s, the Astros are also maintaining interest in trying to work out a deal that would net both Justin Verlander and Justin Wilson from the Tigers.
Trade talks between the Astros and Athletics pertaining to Sonny Gray are “heating up,” according to MLB.com’s Jon Morosi (Twitter links). Morosi adds that while Houston is in talks with the A’s, the Astros are also maintaining interest in trying to work out a deal that would net both Justin Verlander and Justin Wilson from the Tigers.
anthony fenechVerified account @anthonyfenech 1h1 hour ago
On Justin Verlander: The Brewers are interested, I'm told, and the Cubs are said to be still monitoring the situation.
On Justin Verlander: The Brewers are interested, I'm told, and the Cubs are said to be still monitoring the situation.
Ken RosenthalVerified account @Ken_Rosenthal 9m9 minutes ago
Source: #Twins close to acquiring #Braves’ (LHP Jaime) Garcia.
Source: #Twins close to acquiring #Braves’ (LHP Jaime) Garcia.
Rosenthal says they're scouting NY's AA team tonight, which can only be Mateo or Acevedo, both guys I'd hate to lose, but Gray will likely necessitate some pain.