UFC/MMA in 2017

MikeM

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“Weight management medical issues”. OK Khabib, and score one for Connor I guess since he'll get more time to duck the winner.

Least now I won't need to rush out of work before catching the last fight. Can tape the rest.
 

Marciano490

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What a boring fight besides the end. Don't think woodley did enough. Good job by the ref not stopping it there.
 

luckiestman

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Thompson should have won by the rules (which I hate). Woodley won the fight so I'm fine with the bad decision.
 

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Yeah. Same here. Thought it was 3-2 Thompson with no 10-8 rounds. But I also thought Tyron clearly won the first fight and this helped me have a huge night even with Khabib cut out of my parlay.
 

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Yeah. Same here. Thought it was 3-2 Thompson with no 10-8 rounds. But I also thought Tyron clearly won the first fight and this helped me have a huge night even with Khabib cut out of my parlay.

I don't know if you ever watched PRIDE FIGHTING in Japan but their scoring system was much better. There was a 10 minute round followed by a 5 minute round. The winner was determined by who the judges thought won the entire fight. There were some bad decisions (probably Yakuza influenced) but nowhere near as bad as some of the garbage you see in the UFC with the ten point must system. I mean, there is almost no way Woodley won that fight by the rules but he did more in rd 5 than wonderboy did in the whole fight. Throw in rd 3 and it was a blowout win for Woodley.
 

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The less said about those first two rounds the better. I would score them 10-10 based on equal amount of inaction. Woodley won two out of the three rounds where anything happened.
 

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I agree that Woodley had the more dominant rounds, but by the current scoring system there's no way he won that fight. I was expecting another draw with the way the cards were being read. I thought it was clear rounds 1, 2, 4 for Wonderboy and 3 and 5 for Woodley. I'd even be ok with a 10-8 for round 5 with the near stoppage, but I just didn't see where Woodley won a third round
 

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I had it 47-47, and while feeling ok about scoring the 5th a 10-8.

Woodley needs to give the "greatest of all time" talk a serious rest after that snoozer though.
 

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I finally got watch the fights today. Main event notwithstanding, that was some great entertainment.
  • Teymur / Vannata - BRAWL
  • Kelly / Evans - BRAWL
  • Alcantara - survives early beatdown to win by sudden leg lock
  • Elkins - survives early bloodbath to score a surprise knockout
  • Overeem - devastating knockout (I wouldn't be surprised if Hunt had broken some bones in his face)
  • Calvillo - masterful grappling to a quick submission
Woodley was overly cautious for some reason. His late Round 5 flurry brought the same success he had in their first match (that it finished in a draw was a joke). That's a tough fight to score because there was so little activity. It feels like the right person won even though it wasn't a clear victory by the points system. I wish someone could have stopped the match and told them to come back tomorrow when they were actually ready to fight.
 

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Victor off the juice is not that good plus he's old.

I could do without watching Shogun. He's a favorite of mine and he's a shell of himself.

The Barbosa fight was very good
 

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I assumed @Marciano490 would be in here gushing about Gastellum. I really like the idea of him fighting Silva, followed by one of the top middle weights like Rockhold, Jacare, Weidman or Romero
 

Marciano490

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I missed it. Didn't even realize there were fights on. Is there a free replay anywhere?
 

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Victor off the juice is not that good plus he's old.

I could do without watching Shogun. He's a favorite of mine and he's a shell of himself.

The Barbosa fight was very good
Yea, Vitor's body has gone through a few changes:
 

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Wow, that before/after is crazy! Have a good friend who started his career as an olympic boxer and moved into MMA (mid tier events, non Bellator/UFC) and swears all the fighters at the top level are chock full of every enhancement under the sun. Walking into the ring against someone like that would really almost force you to take the same stuff...just to survive.
 
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luckiestman

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He wasn't even on steroids, was he? Thought it was just test.

in 2012 he was probably legally on TRT, but he has been fighting since 97 and was probably on all bombas available over his career. I think he used to weigh 240.
 

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Wow, that before/after is crazy! Have a good friend who started his career as an olympic boxer and moved into MMA (mid tier events, non Bellator/UFC) and swears all the fighters at the to level are chock full of every enhancement under the sun. Walking into the ring against someone like that would really almost force you to take the same stuff...just to survive.

I believe him. I would be juiced to the max for sure. If I'm getting locked in a cage to fight for money, I'm going all the way.
 

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Right? I was a competitive college athlete who lacked the size/strength to compete at the very highest levels. My sport (rowing) didn't have a professional path, and I could 'fall back' on an engineering career, but I've wondered sometimes about the decision making process had I seen sports as my best/only path to improving my life. I try hard not to judge those choices, but feeling its necessary to take a slew of drugs, probably without the best medical oversight, just to keep up with the Joneses (no offense to Jonny Bones) is brutal, and actually sad on some level.
 

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He wasn't even on steroids, was he? Thought it was just test.
When people use the term "steroids", aren't they normally including exogenous testosterone? Go to any anabolic steroids site, and basic test cycles are recommended as the beginner's course. I'm only asking because this is the first time I've ever seen anyone make this distinction, unless they were trying to differentiate between steroid abuse and TRT (to maintain natural levels).
 

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Victor off the juice is not that good plus he's old.

I could do without watching Shogun. He's a favorite of mine and he's a shell of himself.

The Barbosa fight was very good
Yeah, the co-main events were ho hum for me.

The Barbosa fight was great, along with Borg/Formiga and Correia/Reneau (although the draw in that fight was a disappointment).

Villante has to learn some goddamn defense. He's not going to have a very enjoyable life taking shots to his head like that.
 

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When people use the term "steroids", aren't they normally including exogenous testosterone? Go to any anabolic steroids site, and basic test cycles are recommended as the beginner's course. I'm only asking because this is the first time I've ever seen anyone make this distinction, unless they were trying to differentiate between steroid abuse and TRT (to maintain natural levels).
Colloquially, yes, but technically I think test isn't a steroid.
 

Marciano490

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Hmm, no kidding? I don't know where I got that erroneous distinction stuck in my head.
 

luckiestman

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Hmm, no kidding? I don't know where I got that erroneous distinction stuck in my head.

Guys that do TRT to "natural" levels get pissed off when you tell them they are on roids. I may or may not piss a lot of people off at my gym regarding this topic. As a matter of fact, it will probably happen again 1.5 hours from now.
 

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People are starting to talk about Conor vs Floyd like it's inevitable
They spent years saying the same thing about Floyd and Manny.

Floyd and Connor will ultimately say whatever grabs them some attention. I'll believe the "close" claims when I start hearing them come out of Dana's mouth.
 

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Haha that was an awesome sequence.

Floyd is only -800. That's a serious mortgage your house line and put it all down.
 

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Again, eventually happening and getting it to a point where it might actually be close in reality can be 2 entirely different things. Like Dana said...that is a lot of ego and people involved to ultimately make it work atm.

I think the better line is whether Dana lets Connor have this fight (and Mayweather his money) before Khabib or Tony Holy Holms him.

The follow up fight that still capitalizes on his name and stand up potential maybe.
 
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I'm under the impression that the UFC contract comes with a clause preventing their fighters from doing that, along with anything else even remotely related to a combat sport.
 

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I'm under the impression that the UFC contract comes with a clause preventing their fighters from doing that, along with anything else even remotely related to a combat sport.
I dont think that is entirely right, considering Benson Henderson regularly competed in high level BJJ tournaments while he was in UFC and Dan Henderson and Jon Jones competed (while Jones was under suspension) in a grappling tournament just a few months ago.

I am really curious how that contract language reads.
 

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Did they get paid to do it though? Guessing that's the key factor involved, and an extension to the basic protection in regards to the UFC not wanting their fighters out there getting hurt while fighting and (probably more importantly) making money for somebody else.

I just can't fathom that the UFC wouldn't be thorough enough where boxing wouldn't fall under a similar contract clause, right under the stipulation that they can't just go take a Bellator fight.
 

Marciano490

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Did they get paid to do it though? Guessing that's the key factor involved, and an extension to the basic protection in regards to the UFC not wanting their fighters out there getting hurt while fighting and (probably more importantly) making money for somebody else.

I just can't fathom that the UFC wouldn't be thorough enough where boxing wouldn't fall under a similar contract clause, right under the stipulation that they can't just go take a Bellator fight.
How would it ultimately be enforceable though? No court nowadays is going to effectively institute a worldwide ban on someone plying their trade, especially when they have such a small window to perform. Just breach or repudiate, take the fight, and pay whatever damages may result out of the purse.