That was pretty funny. Good return for a non-drafted player grabbed off the scrap heap and turned into a player. Like it.Impressive triple-thread axel.
They basically traded two guys that weren't going to play here for injury insurance on defense and 20 spots in the 3rd round of the draft. Pretty good deals overall.Did they trade Vatrano to get the pick in order to use it in a bigger deal?
And moving up 10? spots in the 3rd round with the pick. No small thing.So essentially works out to Holden for Vatrano and O’Gara
He has the shot but has yet to develop anything else. He's Pasta without the skating, vision, passing or stick handling. Oh and he's 4 inches shorter and 2 years older.We'll go with this one.
At one point I thought Vatrano had scoring chops. Guess not.
If they keep Holden the roster spot like that, something might come.Is the roster spot for Holden or is there another move coming?
This is really good. HahaIf they keep Holden the roster spot like that, something might come.
HEYO
So more like Chef Boyardee pasta?He has the shot but has yet to develop anything else. He's Pasta without the skating, vision, passing or stick handling. Oh and he's 4 inches shorter and 2 years older.
Add in also that it was pretty much a given that the Bruins were going to need to move on from him given where he was on the depth chart. That they were able to get even a third round pick for him given that knowledge is impressive.Great return for any undrafted guy, let alone a guy who’s played twice in two months.
He's an RFA after this year and has no clear spot on the roster, so he's probably worth a bit more now that the Panthers can give him a test run before figuring out if they want to re-sign him.Not really sure what the point of trading him now was, don't really need the draft pick and he still has room to grow.
Feels like Sweeney is making deals for the sake of making deals. Both trades he's made seem pointless to me.
It is asset management . It is pretty clear that he wasn’t going to get the opportunity to play in Boston. He was passed over on the depth chart by several players and he couldn’t go to Providence unless he passed through waivers which clearly wasn’t happening. He also is an RFA who needs a new deal next season, so he seemed like a non-QO candidate. If they held on to him there is a good chance they would’ve lost him for nothing. Grabbing a pick for a guy who didn’t really have a spot the roster seems like a solid deal to me.Not really sure what the point of trading him now was, don't really need the draft pick and he still has room to grow.
Feels like Sweeney is making deals for the sake of making deals. Both trades he's made seem pointless to me.
If they keep Holden the roster spot like that, something might come.
HEYO
Is that 3.5 million pro-rated? Or does it represent the AAV of a contract to acquire? I'm not sure that question makes sense but I'm dumb and having a hard time rewording it.Current deadline cap space is $2.3m
Bjork's $925k hitting LTIR will subsidize Nash's $900k, so in essence with Vatrano's $792.5k out, $900k in LTIR, and Holden's $1.65m in, they're at about even from where they were trending prior to Holden. My guess is they'll do some backdated conditioning stint with Postma if necessary on deadline day and end up able to absorb ~$3.5m without sending any salary back.
Thanks for the clarification. Hopefully that is enough if Sweeney finds an impact piece at the deadline that makes sense.Current deadline cap space is $2.3m
Bjork's $925k hitting LTIR will subsidize Nash's $900k, so in essence with Vatrano's $792.5k out, $900k in LTIR, and Holden's $1.65m in, they're at about even from where they were trending prior to Holden. My guess is they'll do some backdated conditioning stint with Postma if necessary on deadline day and end up able to absorb ~$3.5m without sending any salary back.
Not sure how useful he is, really. Moreso than, say, Czarnik?Not trying to be snarky, but how were they boxed in right now? He was a useful player that could be used if they needed some injury insurance. Totally agree that this would be a good trade in the offseason, but I'm confused by the timing.
Edit: to clarify, the reason I'm confused by the timing is because they only got a draft pick back. They could have packaged him for an NHL player or waited until the offseason to get a pick.
I disagree with your initial premise that he's a useful player. He hasn't been. He hasn't contributed offensively, and he's not a checking line player. The only reason he wasn't in Providence was he had to go through waivers. His value is primarily from his crazy run in the AHL, which he hasn't been able to replicate since. He also likely isn't in their plans next year, which meant he was in danger of being straight released for nothing. Getting a 3rd is good value, and I just disagree that they needed to wait.Not trying to be snarky, but how were they boxed in right now? He was a useful player that could be used if they needed some injury insurance. Totally agree that this would be a good trade in the offseason, but I'm confused by the timing.
Edit: to clarify, the reason I'm confused by the timing is because they only got a draft pick back. They could have packaged him for an NHL player or waited until the offseason to get a pick.
I think this sums it up, although I’ll allow that is timing is a bit more curious in light of the Bjork news. In the end though, Frank simply got passed over by other players, and if/when injury strikes, they are as or more comfortable with the other options. Czarnik, Cehlarik, Agostino, JFK, maybe Donato, etc.I disagree with your initial premise that he's a useful player. He hasn't been. He hasn't contributed offensively, and he's not a checking line player. The only reason he wasn't in Providence was he had to go through waivers. His value is primarily from his crazy run in the AHL, which he hasn't been able to replicate since. He also likely isn't in their plans next year, which meant he was in danger of being straight released for nothing. Getting a 3rd is good value, and I just disagree that they needed to wait.
A few friends and I would hang out around the Garden by the big ramp out back and try to get autographs (and explore ways to sneak in to games).Wnyghost--sorry to hear, what a dick.
Just curious if you have a Milbury anecdote from when he played or if it was post-playing career
I grew up watching those late '70s teams, and back then he always seemed pretty fan friendly, though I never encountered him personally.
Fair enough.I disagree with your initial premise that he's a useful player. He hasn't been. He hasn't contributed offensively, and he's not a checking line player. The only reason he wasn't in Providence was he had to go through waivers. His value is primarily from his crazy run in the AHL, which he hasn't been able to replicate since. He also likely isn't in their plans next year, which meant he was in danger of being straight released for nothing. Getting a 3rd is good value, and I just disagree that they needed to wait.
Great point.The trade also gives them a tiny bit more flexibility going into Monday. More cap space, more contract room, more flexibility with the 23 man roster if they need it.
I really do think he could have been a useful player, but you are right that he wasn’t going to be one now.I disagree with your initial premise that he's a useful player. He hasn't been. He hasn't contributed offensively, and he's not a checking line player. The only reason he wasn't in Providence was he had to go through waivers. His value is primarily from his crazy run in the AHL, which he hasn't been able to replicate since. He also likely isn't in their plans next year, which meant he was in danger of being straight released for nothing. Getting a 3rd is good value, and I just disagree that they needed to wait.
The last point is key.I really do think he could have been a useful player, but you are right that he wasn’t going to be one now.
He would have been best served by spending the year in Providence, which he could not do without them losing him on waivers.
I think there is at least 3-4 guys who would have been ahead of him as injury protection if he was still here.
Maybe the B's only viewed his value as a 4th or 5th rounder, along with all other teams they were in discussion with. Suddenly Florida jumps in with an offer you thought you had no chance of getting and they jumped, regardless of timingFair enough.
It's not that I necessarily thought they absolutely needed to wait, just was a bit strange to at least not hold onto him until the deadline to see if you could package him. I guess they could always use the draft pick instead, so whatever.