Vesey Signs with the Rangers
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Assuming that the Islanders report about being out is correct...
Out -
Islanders
Detroit
Maybe Out? (Based on the comments made by Detroit about him wanting to be closer to home)
Chicago
Toronto
Still In
Boston
Rangers
Devils
Pittsburgh
Out -
Islanders
Detroit
Maybe Out? (Based on the comments made by Detroit about him wanting to be closer to home)
Chicago
Toronto
Still In
Boston
Rangers
Devils
Pittsburgh
Basically Vesey saying "It isn't you it's me"...
Don't think he takes a meeting with Chicago if they aren't a serious contender.
If that were the case, he could have just cited something else. It's pretty specific to say he wants to be closer to home, and then if he does sign in Chicago - how does that look on him?
Pittsburgh is roughly the same distance as Detroit.
Don't see how you can read anything more into that then he doesn't want to spend 1/2 the year in Detroit.
If Vesey truely is a Bruins fan and Harvard man, then he would have seen how much Jimmy Hayes sucked last year and discount the Hayes' advice accordingly. I don't feel the treatment from fans and media that Jimmy Hayes got was unwarranted or excessive. I question the validity of the story.
Especially since that story was told by bc bruin on HF and then peddled around by Haggerty and Murphy.
Pittsburgh is about 4-5 hours from Detroit and has an entire state between. That's not roughly the same distance.
That's 50% further the distance from Boston to Pittsburgh.
No you are wrong. DET to Boston is 707 miles about a 10-11hr drive, much better direct flight access.
PIT to Boston is 570 miles about a 8-9hr drive with fewer direct flights.
Doubt he is driving from either location home so flights become the priority.
As an NYC resident, I'll be pissed if he becomes the eleventh-billionth Mass kid to play for the NY Rangers.
That was pretty funny.
Buccigross on TSN listed NYR/NJD/TOR front runners with CHI just behind but did hedge his bet by saying he has also heard sources say BOS and BUF are still in it. Seems like perhaps PIT is out at this point.
Guess Vesey didn't want to live in Amish Country.
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/buccigross-rangers-devils-leafs-favorites-to-land-vesey-1.547638
Someone needs to tell him what a bus accident the Newark Devils are. Literally: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/n-transit-buses-collide-newark-article-1.2757710
Vesey's agent tells DJ Bean that the B's are still in the mix; the Hawks/Rangers finalist thing is not true.
These guys are getting paid to talk and have an opinion, but three 'front-runners," one team "just behind" and two "still in it?" What does that even mean? Is Vesey sitting with flash cards moving them around?
It's clear the financial offers are all pretty much the same, with differences in the playing time/linemates offered, and Vesey's own thoughts on possibilities.
Because RFA generates dollars for players more than freedom to choose, this is his chance for Boston. Pass on it, play three good years in Chi/Tor, start battling injuries. . . never end up in Boston. As the mock argument stated, if he wants to play in Boston, this is easily the best chance he'll have to make it happen. It's Boston.
I get that we're in the dog days of summer. The bullpen is frustrating us, and the Patriots are in preseason. But, is this kid worth the oxygen his story is getting? I'm part of the feeding frenzy when I click on this thread, but is he any good? I've heard top - 6 forward, is he even that good?
This year I don't think he should be one of the best 6 forwards on a team that's expecting to contend. But he's still a valuable player who wouldn't be out of place on a 1st or 2nd line. Some of the expectations are unrealistic, 20/20/40 and solid two way play is probably what he'd be over a full season playing on the Bruins
edit: 20/20/40 is actually a top 6 forward for most teams, so, yeah, ignore my first sentence
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The fever is more because he's the Hobey Baker Award winner and this is a situation that doesn't happen often. If you are able to get a player the caliber of Vesey on an ELC it's great value.
Agreed. He was a third round pick four years ago. He's better now, so he's got the value of a first round pick. But he doesn't cost a pick. He only costs a (bonus-laden) ELC. If he earns the bonuses, he's worth the bonuses.
I'm a Hawks fan, and I'm not sure I'd trade Motte or Schmaltz for Vesey. Banking on Schmaltz or Motte to be a top 6 forward is a bit risky. But if that's the way it has to be, I'd rather the Hawks spread the risk three ways rather than just two.
I think Chris Kreider is a reasonable expectation. He's certainly not going to be a top winger, but he will probably be pretty good. I mean, just look at what other guys in similar situations did in their first year.
Wheeler - 21G 24A
Hayes - 17G 28A
Good..but not great.
Wheeler - 21G 24A
Hayes - 17G 28A
Good..but not great.
Signing Vesey is basically adding a first round pick. It gives you a guy with 35-40 point upside on an ELC. It also would give them the flexibility to trade a guy in their system that projects into that role (like a Senyshen) for that top 4 D they need.
Had a feeling. A feeling I didn't like.
Does it play out differently if Jimmy Hayes took his game up a notch instead of two down?
Does it play out differently if Jimmy Hayes took his game up a notch instead of two down?
Of all the teams under consideration, the Rangers to me were the least likely for someone to choose. Hop he enjoys the bright lights of Broadway and hope the Rangers finish last for the next decade.
He is. But not seeing how that ties into the discussion, unless you buy what Haggs and Murph have sold you from HF....
I don't buy that Hayes shit for one second. I don't think media coverage had anything to do with it. They probably have a better situation for the kid (powerplay time, etc) the agent probably told him, look establish yourself on another team an if you really want to play in Boston, sign there as a UFA in 4 years.
I guess he will have an opportunity to play quickly, as the Rangers forward depth is pretty slim. Wish him the best of luck, but I don't like it from a hockey perspective for him. The Rangers look like the Bruins of 2014, and I don't see them trending upwards any time soon. If Lundquivst goes down, that's a bottom 6 team in the east.
One solace I take is that in the NCAA tournament, Donato was the one that stood out. I barely noticed Vesey. SSS and all that, but he's not very fast, and while talented, I could see him stagnating at a 20/20 player given his skill set. At least he should be better than Jimmy Hayes, but then again, Jimmy Hayes is a dumpster fire of suck.
One solace I take is that in the NCAA tournament, Donato was the one that stood out. I barely noticed Vesey. SSS and all that, but he's not very fast, and while talented, I could see him stagnating at a 20/20 player given his skill set. At least he should be better than Jimmy Hayes, but then again, Jimmy Hayes is a dumpster fire of suck.
You don't have to buy that stuff at all to acknowledge that his suckitude argues, all by itself, that his father's wariness about Boston is, if only in his son's eyes, well-founded. Hayes and his agents needn't have said a damn thing - and perhaps they didn't - the example of his play speaks eloquently enough on its own.
I'm sorry. I am not fluent in run on sentences. Can you type it slower so I can understand?
Edit- What I got from that was: Hayes sucked. So don't play in Boston. Close?
I don't really think it is a miss on their part. He was never their property. They were 1 of 8 teams to get to speak to him. It was always fairly long odds.
I hate Cam Neely as the Bruins head of hockey operations maybe as much as anybody, but I'd give them near zero blame on this one.(Assuming nothing comes out about Vesey was turned off by them)
All these teams wanted him, they're all offering the same thing, and the kid picked one.
The other 6, or 7, or 29 teams miss out.
How much blame goes to Chicago management? Or the Islanders? Or Toronto? And so on/
What is odd is that what depth the Rags have is at W. He certainly isn't playing ahead of Nash or Kreider.
It's like he wanted to stay close to home, but got talked out of playing for the Bruins, only to pick a milquetoast team in the Rangers. It's like the in between of the things he wanted, but not the best of both worlds way, kind of like the average of both worlds.
I wouldn't have cared about the 2nd contract thing with Chicago. That was the best hockey situation for him. I feel he will regret the NYR move fairly quickly. If he wanted away from Boston, he should have gone there. But even then, as someone noted up thread, why not the Islanders? They have Tavares, are in Brooklyn which is a good place for a young kid, and have a lot more young talent.
I will be very interested to hear his rationale for picking the Rangers. I'm not a fan of the move for him.
The Isles may not be in Brooklyn for much longer. I can understand the hesitation there.
The Rangers seem to be trending in the wrong direction, but I can see how he would think it's a good fit. They haven't had a first round pick in 4 years, so there aren't any prospect knocking on the door. He should play a top 9 role off the bat, and his role should increase with little threat of a Hartford kid taking his ice time behind him.
The Rangers seem to be trending in the wrong direction, but I can see how he would think it's a good fit. They haven't had a first round pick in 4 years, so there aren't any prospect knocking on the door. He should play a top 9 role off the bat, and his role should increase with little threat of a Hartford kid taking his ice time behind him.
Sure thing, chief. But I'll take an abuse of Em dashes over snark any day.