Week 7 Game Thread
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If that's the case, then it would probably have been an incomplete pass because he hit out of bounds very soon after he crossed the goal line.
Nope. His knee, butt, hip, etc., were all dragging. "Probably" is a pretty sweet way to analyze that play though. Alternatively, you could watch it.
So much for Raiders fans' heads exploding over the officiating. Oh well, maybe next time.
LOL, the Pats linebackers haven't been great in pass coverage against anyone. Kelce only had 4 catches for 33 yards tonight. I know he wasn't the only one to cover him all night, but sign me up for those numbers from our opposing tight ends for the rest of the year. Considering the guy has only been in Oakland for like ten minutes, and managed to pick up the defense as quickly as he did, I'm impressed. Gilmore's had an entire off season, and the only thing he can do is play man to man.
Yup. I'm team Bergs here. Didn't have control until after he was touched. Kept possession after he rolled out of bounds. Touchdown.
You can dismiss my comment all you want, but he isn't strong in coverage, which is exactly the Pats' issue. I didn't comment about our current personnel.
I would have loved to have the chance to bring him in but tonight didn't give me confidence that he would have helped our pass coverage/third down issues.
Very funny. I wish I could have watched this one live -- based on the game thread and recaps, it must have been a bizarre ending.
You either didn't watch most of the game or you're on drugs. I hope for your sake it's the latter.
Any neutral fan who didn't enjoy the hell out of the last minute of that game shouldn't be watching the NFL. That's the sport - and indeed sport in general - at its most dramatic and watchable.
And IMHO, we saw why the 10-second runoff rule after the non-TD call is an excellent rule. People were complaining that 10 seconds is too much after the end of the Detroit-Atlanta game, and some people might complain that 10 seconds is too little in a scenario like this at the end of the KC-Oakland game. But all things considered, unless you want to make the rulebook even more hideously complex and have different lengths of runoff based upon how far from the line of scrimmage the play in question ends, 10 seconds is a pretty good median point.
And IMHO, we saw why the 10-second runoff rule after the non-TD call is an excellent rule. People were complaining that 10 seconds is too much after the end of the Detroit-Atlanta game, and some people might complain that 10 seconds is too little in a scenario like this at the end of the KC-Oakland game. But all things considered, unless you want to make the rulebook even more hideously complex and have different lengths of runoff based upon how far from the line of scrimmage the play in question ends, 10 seconds is a pretty good median point.
Really? 3 straight penalties in the end zone in the final seconds is sport at its most dramatic and watchable?
I mean, it was dramatic and all but any legit game winning drive or defensive stop on the goal line to decide a game is more dramatic.
The week three Thursday night match (Rams 41, Niners 39) was a pretty great game. But I guess since only one of those teams has a real shot at making the playoffs, it’s easier to forget that this one.
He was contacted like hell at the point of the catch, bobbled slightly on the way down, certainly secured it before hitting the ground (to my eyes), and then survived the ground as he went into the endzone. Unless contact from an opponent doesn't initiate "down-by-contact" until after you have possession - which isn't my understanding, I thought if they were roughly contemporaneous it counted as bringing him down - then the instant he had possession and was down, his forward progress is stopped.
Unless you're arguing that he didn't have possession until he was already in the endzone (which given that he rolled over on top of the ball, seems pretty hard to argue), I think the refs made the right call there.
You think a single play which decides the game is more dramatic than a single play which you think decides the game, followed by another single play which you think decides the game, followed by a third single play which actually decides the game (followed by an extra point which is still necessary to really decide the game)? I've seen the former many times; I'm pretty sure I've never seen the latter before, which gives it immense rarity value. And whether or not you agree with either or both of the penalty calls, they sure as heck made the game more dramatic; I think it was Nick Hornby in Fever Pitch who said that deep down he wants to howl at and feel cheated by the referees, as that's part of what makes sport what it is to him. I might agree that your preferred ending to a game is purer sport, and possibly better sport...but more dramatic? No way.
I agree on both counts. Awesomely fun game, and not just the ending sequence. Converted the 2nd and 20, converted the 4th and 11. Let's not forget things earlier than that last drive, either - the flea-flicker for a touchdown, the would-be-interception that tipped the ball to the WR for the 65 yard score, some great throws and catches and defensive plays.
The penalties were clear fouls by each side - it wasn't "refball", if the refs failed to call those, it would have been far more obnoxious to the cause of sporting justice.
1. "Hey Oakland won - what a throw-and-catch down the sideline by Cooks" -- oh wait, he was down.
2. "Hey Oakland won - wow, the fade never works, good play" -- oh wait, Crabtree shoved off. The defender flopped, but it was still OPI.
3. "Hey KC won - the ball went right through his hands" -- oh wait, yeah, that's holding. Okay, guess we'll do it again.
4. "Hey KC won - Patterson caught it out of bounds!" -- oh, man, yeah that's holding TOO! Jeez, ok, doing it again.
5. "Hey Oakland won - no doubt about that one! Comebacker to the cone".
Like, which of the 3 obvious, game-outcome-changing penalties shouldn't the officials have called? I think they got it all right, and frankly, it added to the drama.
Looking back at his first post, I guess I'm not Team Bergs. He was clearly down at the one with possession of the ball, but the contact had occurred before he caught the ball. I had a different understanding of the rule.
Looked to me like Crabtree pushed off a second time, too, but I guess there's a limit to this sequence
The definition of OPI that some of you seem to subscribe to basically eliminates the concept of the forward pass in today’s NFL. How do Dez Bryant or DeAndre Hopkins play in this OPI ruleset?
Slightly biased here, but there is no world where the decision to not flag Cooper in the flea flicker in the first quarter exists in the same rule definition that lead to flagging Crabtree with 6 seconds left. Neither were OPI they way I understand it should be called under the current rules. (And yes the Hulton play was OPI)
With hindsight, the Chiefs should be pissed they didn’t get a kick off return / Hail Mary / Hill & hunt playing rugby opportunity at the end because the garbage OPI call / flop call against Crabtree.
Slightly biased here, but there is no world where the decision to not flag Cooper in the flea flicker in the first quarter exists in the same rule definition that lead to flagging Crabtree with 6 seconds left. Neither were OPI they way I understand it should be called under the current rules. (And yes the Hulton play was OPI)
With hindsight, the Chiefs should be pissed they didn’t get a kick off return / Hail Mary / Hill & hunt playing rugby opportunity at the end because the garbage OPI call / flop call against Crabtree.
Quick question for New York viewers..Why is Jets Dolphins a Fox game? I noticed a few weeks ago another Jets game against the Browns was on Fox as well. Did they eliminate the NFC AFC differences in the last tv deal? It almost screwed up my DVR today.
Yes. The network used to always be determined by the road team's conference - it still mostly is, but it's not universal anymore.
Oh I dunno, they are up 7-0 and driving. I assume if they win it proves Rodgers is overrated.
GB is 3-7-1 in games Rodgers hasn't started since 2009. He's not overrated, he's awesome.
So basically if your name is Aaron, SoSH cannot process. Aaron Judge causes minds to be lost and Aaron Rodgers does the same.
That 3rd down against Miami should never happen to a professional football team. That was atrocious. 3 guys go for the strip, not the tackle, and Forte takes a white flag screen for 19 yards on 3rd and 18.
I mentioned in the pick thread that the turf in Miami is some of the worst I have ever seen. I like Andersons celebration right there.