Woj: Porzingis May Be Available

[sox311]

Nate Duncan said he would have Porzingas at number two. I agree, I think it is crazy talk.

Duncan also puts Fultz on the same playing field as a John Wall or Kyrie Irving level player, which at this point is also crazy talk. Hopefully he becomes that, but those two have played out very well since they were drafted. Wall was a higher ranked prospect, Kyrie was comparable.

There are so many things to consider if Danny has any hopes at KP. Phil would be crazy not to demand dumping Noah's contract. Which would kill Boston's shot at a max contract this offseason. And Phil would be crazy to trade with the rival Celtics.

But what do we know? Phil is in fact crazy....

 

[Cesar Crespo]

So lets say the Suns do end up with KP but the Knicks really want JJ. What could the Celtics get out of that deal? The Heat pick?

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

RedOct posted this is another thread but Kyler reporting that Suns could get KP for pick and non-Booker assets. Seems like Bender or Chriss would be better for a rebuilding Knicks team than Booker but what do I know?

 

[sox311]

What?

Trading KP to the Suns wouldn't be ideal for the Knicks, or their fans, nor would any trade of KP. But if their fans see him in a Boston jersey it will undoubtedly be worst for the. Like Wade Boggs to the Yankees.

 

[Big John]

So lets say the Suns do end up with KP but the Knicks really want JJ. What could the Celtics get out of that deal? The Heat pick?

Rumor I saw was Bledsoe, Chriss and #4 for Porzingis. If that's true, McDonough is eating Noah's contract.

I'd like to get Willy Hernangomez out of the deal if Phil prefers JJ.

 

[Minneapolis Millers]

Ok, looking at that PHX proposal, we could counter by offering #3 (better than #4!) and Rozier+Yabu (or Zizic).

And we didn't trade Boggs to the MFYs. More like Sparky Lyle to NY!

 

[RedOctober3829]

RedOct posted this is another thread but Kyler reporting that Suns could get KP for pick and non-Booker assets. Seems like Bender or Chriss would be better for a rebuilding Knicks team than Booker but what do I know?

They would be. But if you want to have better picks, a team friendly deal in Crowder, and AB's expiring contract/Bird rights I think that would stack right up with Phoenix's offer.

 

[cheech13]

RedOct posted this is another thread but Kyler reporting that Suns could get KP for pick and non-Booker assets. Seems like Bender or Chriss would be better for a rebuilding Knicks team than Booker but what do I know?

Depends on where you fall on the spectrum of Devin Booker hype. On one end you have the Kobe comparisons and on the other the one-dimensional volume scorer. A 20-year-old putting up 22 PPG is very rare. He's younger than Jaylen Brown. Even if his median projection is a Demar Derozan type, that's still pretty damn valuable.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Ok, looking at that PHX proposal, we could counter by offering #3 (better than #4!) and Rozier+Yabu (or Zizic).

And we didn't trade Boggs to the MFYs. More like Sparky Lyle to NY!

Chriss is a far better prospect than either Yabu or Zizic and Bledsoe could be flipped for another pick.

edit: It would be more like 3, Jaylen and AB.

 

[Grin&MartyBarret]

RedOct posted this is another thread but Kyler reporting that Suns could get KP for pick and non-Booker assets. Seems like Bender or Chriss would be better for a rebuilding Knicks team than Booker but what do I know?

He actually just reported that they're the team most interested in acquiring him, but that they wouldn't part with Booker or #4. That's not the same as "they might get him."

 

[Big John]

I don't think any Boston offer could beat a Phoenix offer if the Suns are willing to take Noah.

 

[RedOctober3829]

He actually just reported that they're the team most interested in acquiring him, but that they wouldn't part with Booker or #4. That's not the same as "they might get him."

From the link:
"The belief is the Suns would do some combination of young roster players and the fourth overall pick in tonight’s NBA Draft, but they would not part with star guard Devin Booker in any scenario."

 

[Grin&MartyBarret]

Oh yeah, I misread the #4.

But that doesn't change my over-arching point, which is that there's nothing in that report indicating that the Knicks are interested in that offer or that they might get him. So far the only report saying it's close is some radio guy in Chicago on Twitter.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Oh yeah, I misread the #4.

But that doesn't change my over-arching point, which is that there's nothing in that report indicating that the Knicks are interested in that offer or that they might get him. So far the only report saying it's close is some radio guy in Chicago on Twitter.

Yes, Kyler only said that the Suns were putting together the best offer at the time.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Woj: Several teams, including Boston, have been unwilling to meet the Knicks demands for KP. So far.

 

[DJnVa]

From the link:
"The belief is the Suns would do some combination of young roster players and the fourth overall pick in tonight’s NBA Draft, but they would not part with star guard Devin Booker in any scenario."

Yes, but that's not saying the Knicks want that, so it's kind of the same deal.

 

[DannyDarwinism]

 

[BigSoxFan]

This is going to go right up until the draft, if it happens at all. Goodbye afternoon.

 

[JCizzle]

This is fucking incredible. Phil is tanking his legacy for the whole country to see.

 

[MillarTime]

Goodbye afternoon.

No question.

 

[RedOctober3829]

David Aldridge hearing that nothing is close to being imminent regarding Knicks/Suns for KP.

 

[DJnVa]

This is going to go right up until the draft, if it happens at all. Goodbye afternoon.

And I have indoor soccer game at 8:10 tonight. Of course.

 

[Minneapolis Millers]

In fairness to Phil, most people can't tell the difference between "sleep" and "meditation."

 

[BigSoxFan]

And I have indoor soccer game at 8:10 tonight. Of course.

If it makes you feel better, I'll be at the draft.

 

[Light-Tower-Power]

This is going to go right up until the draft, if it happens at all. Goodbye afternoon.

I don't know, I just don't see it happening. We're going to get the "price was too high and we were never close" speech after the draft when he should've taken Fultz if there was no trade for a star to be had.

Not that I won't keep F5ing every minute until the draft is over.

 

[DJnVa]

If it makes you feel better, I'll be at the draft.

You can text me.

 

[AimingForYoko]

I'm telling myself not to get hyped but it's not working. I'm just setting myself up for disappointment.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Marc Stein‏Verified account @ESPNSteinLine 2m2 minutes ago
The Celtics remain in trade pursuit of Kristaps Porzingis, league sources say, trying to assemble a package to meet the Knicks' demands.

 

[nolasoxfan]

Marc Stein‏Verified account @ESPNSteinLine 2m2 minutes ago
The Celtics remain in trade pursuit of Kristaps Porzingis, league sources say, trying to assemble a package to meet the Knicks' demands.

I’d be more comfortable with that statement if I knew more about “the Knicks’ demands."

 

[Light-Tower-Power]

Keep the pants on for now.

Steve Bulpett‏ @SteveBHoop
Teams telling me they're not sure if Phil is bluffing w/Porzingis talks, but they're staying engaged in case it gets closer to reasonable.

 

[Jed Zeppelin]

I don't know, I just don't see it happening. We're going to get the "price was too high and we were never close" speech after the draft when he should've taken Fultz if there was no trade for a star to be had.

Not that I won't keep F5ing every minute until the draft is over.

Trading for a star is and was always unlikely before free agency because of the cap issues. Porzingis is different obviously but I assume the price is an issue there.

 

[Imbricus]

Ugh. No:

According to a Knicks source, Jackson is asking for the third overall pick in Thursday's draft as well as next year's Brooklyn pick along with Jaylen Brown and Jae Crowder. This version of the deal would not include Boston taking on Joakim Noah's contract.

The Celtics feel the price is far too high but they are open to tweaking the deal to include just one draft pick, either this year's No. 3 or next year's Brooklyn pick.

 

[JCizzle]

I’d be more comfortable with that statement if I knew more about “the Knicks’ demands."

Now we know...

http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-price-porzingis-high-celtics-article-1.3269298
"According to a Knicks source, Jackson is asking for the third overall pick in Thursday's draft as well as next year's Brooklyn pick along with Jaylen Brown and Jae Crowder. This version of the deal would not include Boston taking on Joakim Noah's contract."

No fucking way.

Edit: beaten

 

[AimingForYoko]

Nope. You can't have Jaylen, tonight's pick and the Brooklyn pick.

See if the Zen Master will take the Philly/Laker pick and Smart. Throw in some one else like Rozier to join Crowder or literally anyone that isn't Jaylen.

 

[moondog80]

Ugh. No:

Yeah, that's too much. Can't blame Phil for trying though.

 

[Grin&MartyBarret]

Ugh. No:

My reaction to the Celtics preferred version of the deal as a Knicks fan is also "Ugh.No."

Crowder's a role player on a good contract. Does little for a rebuilding team, and I don't trust Phil to turn him into good value. Brown's a decent piece, but was pretty mediocre as a rookie and has a really long ways to go to perform as well as Porzingis did as a rookie.

The Nets pick is a good piece though, but the odds that it yields somebody who performs at Porzingis's level through two years are still pretty slim. Bird in hand and all of that.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Even adding #8 gets a hell no from me. Classic postering time now.

 

[MillarTime]

I would comfortably do #3, Jaylen, Crowder, and future Celtics 1st as a sweetener.

 

[bosockboy]

If we gave 2018 Brooklyn, Brown and Crowder, and got the 8th tonight I'd consider it. Would have 3 and 8 tonight and could use to replace Brown.

 

[Light-Tower-Power]

I would comfortably do #3, Jaylen, Crowder, and future Celtics 1st as a sweetener.

Was just about to post this. Leaves them pretty thin at the 3 though if Hayward doesn't sign.

 

[TFisNEXT]

I would comfortably do #3, Jaylen, Crowder, and future Celtics 1st as a sweetener.

This...

Not giving them two lottos and Jaylen though. A lotto, Jaylen, and a Celtics pick I think is fine.

 

[slamminsammya]

If I were a Knicks fan that deal would depress the hell out of me. Can't see them doing that.

 

[MillarTime]

Was just about to post this. Leaves them pretty thin at the 3 though if Hayward doesn't sign.

Yeah, good point

 

[bosockboy]

I would comfortably do #3, Jaylen, Crowder, and future Celtics 1st as a sweetener.

Or #3, 2018 LAL/2019 Sac, Brown and Crowder for Porzingis and #8.

 

[DJnVa]

I mean, it *sounds* as if there's negotiating room there, though...

 

[cheech13]

I would comfortably do #3, Jaylen, Crowder, and future Celtics 1st as a sweetener.

This seems more palatable from the Celtics perspective but I don't know why the Knicks would do that. You have more young talent but nothing approaching KP's individual value and so what's the point?

 

[MillarTime]

Or #3, 2018 LAL/2019 Sac, Brown and Crowder for Porzingis and #8.

I would do this as well and pray for Monk at #8.

 

[DannyDarwinism]

Even adding #8 gets a hell no from me. Classic postering time now.

Enjoy the draft. I was hoping to head over, but looks like my wife's gonna be stuck at work late, so I'll be home with the kids and the Twitter.

 

[TFisNEXT]

This seems more palatable from the Celtics perspective but I don't know why the Knicks would do that. You have more young talent but nothing approaching KP's individual value and so what's the point?

Yeah I think a lot of people are underestimating Porzingis relative to the value of Jaylen and the lotto picks. Jaylen and the lotto picks are exciting, but they are nowhere near as good as Porzingis. That said, you don't want to give up too much volume of your lotto picks/Jaylen if you are the C's either. 2 out of 3 (#3, Jaylen, next year's BKN) with a player like Crowder and maybe another non-lotto first seems like a pretty fair deal. Don't think Phil does that though.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Trading Bradley for #12??