Fair enough. I still don't see this story going away. It may be a slow burner but eventually it will be impossible to ignore. Public opinion was slow to change their minds on Clemens and Armstrong too.
Manning Legacy: Scrotal Recall
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I was asking because of the whole "railroaded" comment. If anything, it seems he's received the opposite treatment.
I keep thinking that this would be a perfect time for Al Jazeera to release a new bit of evidence. Max exposure day for football-related items! If they have another arrow in the quiver, you'd think they'd let it fly before kickoff. I guess they don't, though - lead sports story (about Peyton) is dated the 5th, and concerns follow-ups (esp. Washington Post) to the initial story.
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/live-news/2016/2/nfl-investigating-players-and-doping.html
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/live-news/2016/2/nfl-investigating-players-and-doping.html
Schefter is right in the sense that this story is never going to get the treatment that Deflategate did. The comparable situation isn't Brady last year, it's Ray Lewis three years ago when the deer antler spray story surfaced. Lewis essentially got a pass and was praised to no end because he was a "great" player on the verge of ending his career with a Super Bowl win. Clearly, the narrative for the last two weeks has been that this is likely Manning's last go-round. Nothing short of Manning committing murder on live TV, Jack Ruby style, is going to derail the warm and fuzzy Peyton splooge-fest.
Was looking for another quote and found this.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/tom-brady-peyton-manning-cheating/
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/tom-brady-peyton-manning-cheating/
I doubt it. If push comes to shove, Manning retreats to the Andy Pettitte defense ('just wanted to get back on the field for my team'), and the media pack makes it a non-story from there--unless it's shown the shipments continued for a long time after 2011.
Correct and underinflated footballs were not relevant to last year's Super Bowl, but there was no escaping it.
The investigation was relevant because the story had just broken about an alleged incident within two weeks. Not five years. Seriously, if you don't believe the deflategate mess was a relevant point of discussion during the Super Bowl timeframe last year, it would be useless to try to change your mind.
If Brady had announced his retirement at SB49, would DFG have played out differently?
You're correct and the Manning story IMO opinion is relevant as it broke just before the end of the regular season. The timeline for the alleged infraction was not as fresh as the DFG story, BUT it broke roughly 6 weeks ago. Perhaps it's just me, but I just see a widespread hypocrisy in the way the league and the media have handled the two incidents.
Yeah, Goodell would've docked the Pats three draft picks and suspended Garoppolo 6 games.
People don't give a shit Rodney Harrison did it. The only reason it still gets mentioned is because Rodney himself bring it up. If Rodney Harrison - detested by fans before becoming a Patriot - can escape any real scrutiny, Manning will float through this without a scratch. Football isn't baseball, and I think thats why people on this baseball board keep expecting the media/fans will care.
The don't and won't. If news broke today that they had inescapable proof that Manning took HGH, in two weeks all would be forgiven. Nobody gives a shit.
It would have made things worse.
The deflate gate nonsense was a big hit among casual fans and the media because it fed into the narrative that the Patriots are scheming, too-smart-by-half, new-school, people of questionable character. Because they had cameras once. And because Belichick is kind of a dick to the press. And because they don't say funny or stupid things that appeal to Earl and Edith in suburban Knoxville.
It's why Brady giving a perfectly reasonable PC wherein he seems slight confused by the charges (because, it turns out, he really was) is read as evidence of a planned coverup.
How many times did we hear "Belichick knows EVERYTHING that goes on! He'll do ANYTHING to get an edge!"
So if Brady retired, it would have been read as an admission of guilt.
And that was just the media personalities on the hometown, radio home of the Patriots talking.
I've said this before: the boat long ago sailed when it came to fans and media accepting PED usage in the NFL. From the NFL's perspective, the timing is perfect; the story may not go away, but by the time any USADA completes any investigation, Manning will be long retired, and the league's and the fans focus will be on the Next Big Golden Boy Star. And no owner is going to make a big deal of it, because even the most clueless owners know that PED usage is not limited to "the other teams". And Goodell works for the owners, and as the NYT article makes clear, he is extremely beholden to them.
MLB's constituency has a different mindset, but Manfred's got enough on his plate and is not going to go out of his way to piss off Goodell. MLB is not going to look very hard at any connection between Teagarden and Manning.
DeflateGate was the perfect storm. You had owners that didn't understand science, and really didn't care about knocking down one of the league's top franchises and top star. You had a fan base that simply thinks the Pats cheat. You have a media cabal that hates Belichick. And you have a commissioner that doesn't understand the basic principles of leadership.
It's funny I'm seeing more articles trashing Peyton for the crass Bud shout outs then the HGH. It'd be funny if the tide finally turned a bit against him because he pitched one brand too many.
I'm sure Peyton will be using the money to find a cure for whatever his wife is taking HGH for.
BTW a few things I think are worth asking...but no one seems to be asking:
1) Why has Manning's team not contested that something was delivered to Ashley? What kind of evidence must there be out there for his team to basically admit that something was delivered?
2) Does information regarding the unsanctioned use of a drug—in this case HGH for something that is not any of the three approved uses by the FDA—fall under any reasonable privacy protections? Does medical privacy extend to treatments that would be illegal?
1) Why has Manning's team not contested that something was delivered to Ashley? What kind of evidence must there be out there for his team to basically admit that something was delivered?
2) Does information regarding the unsanctioned use of a drug—in this case HGH for something that is not any of the three approved uses by the FDA—fall under any reasonable privacy protections? Does medical privacy extend to treatments that would be illegal?
Even Peyton won't get away with that re
They way they've framed it, they've left themselves with outs. If evidence is turned up that something was mailed to Ashley..."yeah, no shit". And if someone digs up evidence of HGH being sent to the household..."we won't violate Ashley's right to medical privacy."
It's not what evidence they know is out there - the impact of that risk is simply far too great. Any evidence of something being sent to her would be a kill shot.
They way they've framed it, they've left themselves with outs. If evidence is turned up that something was mailed to Ashley..."yeah, no shit". And if someone digs up evidence of HGH being sent to the household..."we won't violate Ashley's right to medical privacy."
The reason the Bud shout-out is so odd, too, is that he did it twice. He said it right when he stepped on the field after the clock hit :00 and was pulled aside for an interview, and then he said it a second time about 15 minutes later.
At first I thought it was harmless and he was just trying to come across as a "good ole boy," but the more I think about it the more it does seem he was making a thinly veiled paid endorsement.
The 12 or 15 some odd Papa John's franchises he owns also explains the smooch on the field. Look at all the free press they got out of that one.
When they write the history of the NFL it will be pretty clear who, singlehandedly, brought NASCAR crassness to the league.
Puppy Monkey Baby didn't make an impression?
Speaking of irritable bowels...
A funny Manning hit piece. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/10/peyton-manning-is-a-far-bigger-prick-than-cam-newton.html
While Newton expressed his understandable frustration at the biggest disappointment of his professional career, Manning the Virtuous, who’s never met a product plug he didn’t want to plunge directly into his anus, celebrated his career-capping victory by a) embracing Papa John’s founder John Schnatter, and b) shilling for Budweiser by giddily proclaiming, “I’m going to drink a lot of Budweiser tonight, Tracy, I promise you that.” For the record, Manning owns a stake in two Anheuser-Busch distributors in his home state of Louisiana, as well as 21 Papa Johns pizzerias in Colorado. So, during the most ecstatic moment of his career, Manning took it upon himself to plug his businesses.
While Newton expressed his understandable frustration at the biggest disappointment of his professional career, Manning the Virtuous, who’s never met a product plug he didn’t want to plunge directly into his anus, celebrated his career-capping victory by a) embracing Papa John’s founder John Schnatter, and b) shilling for Budweiser by giddily proclaiming, “I’m going to drink a lot of Budweiser tonight, Tracy, I promise you that.” For the record, Manning owns a stake in two Anheuser-Busch distributors in his home state of Louisiana, as well as 21 Papa Johns pizzerias in Colorado. So, during the most ecstatic moment of his career, Manning took it upon himself to plug his businesses.
There's also the fact the Manning rushed to the locker room without shaking anybody's hands back when the Colts lost the Super Bowl to the Saints. That seems a lot worse to me than Cam giving a surly press conference. Granted, I didn't give a shit about Cam's press conference, so maybe that's just me. But at least Cam acknowledged and congratulated the victors on the field. One would think how a player treats their fellow athletes would be more meaningful than how they treat the media.
Eli was legitimately unhappy when they showed the Manning box, with every but Eli cheering. Eli claims he reacted that way because he was trying to figure out the "going for 2" permutations and was distracted by that. Sure, pal, whatever you say. He was pissed because it was going to be Peyton's 2nd ring. And he couldn't come close to hiding it.
You would have thought Peyton would have been happy, having helped New Orleans win a Super Bowl after all those years.
Right, and when Belichick reacted soberly and showed no emotion after Malcolm Butler's interception, it wasn't because the game wasn't over and he was still focused on what was left to do, it had to have been because he was pissed Butler ran out of the endzone and went down at the 2, rather than falling over immediately for the touchback.
And he couldn't come close to hiding it!
And he couldn't come close to hiding it!
Was Archie "legitimately unhappy" too or could it possibly be that the 2 guys in the box that had actually played know what can happen in the last 3 minutes of a football game?
Stop trying to apply the posting standards of Sosh to the the football board.
I think that was Eli's face when he is thinking really hard. Remember, Eli is the guy who told his running back not to score against the Cowboys earlier this year.
This might be the least obnoxious thing I've ever heard out of Archie's mouth:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/11/archie-manning-im-not-going-to-blast-cam-newton-for-walk-off/
I don't know Archie Manning from Archie Bunker, but here's what Charles Pierce wrote in a Grantland article:
"I first wrote about the Mannings when Peyton was still playing quarterback at Tennessee. I liked all of them a great deal, especially Archie, who remains the nicest man I ever have met in sports."
The whole thing.
"I first wrote about the Mannings when Peyton was still playing quarterback at Tennessee. I liked all of them a great deal, especially Archie, who remains the nicest man I ever have met in sports."
The whole thing.