On mobile, but it's all over Twitter. Kind of predicted based on what we had heard earlier. No word on type of surgery or time that will be missed.
They can move him to the 60-day DL, so yes.Does that free up a spot on the 40-man?
Sounds like a pre-existing condition from a 2011 injury that he reinjured diving for a ball, or maybe he filled his plate at a buffet beyond his capacity to carry it with hurting himself. Perhaps there is hope he can perform better with the shoulder problem corrected. Not a lot of hope, but someWhat exactly happened to his shoulder? I feel like there's been a dearth of information on the ailment, how it occurred, etc.
Insurance probably costs 10 cents for every dollar of coverage, there are retention amounts and policy limits, and you aren't covered for the CBT implications of the contract, which remains on the club's books. It's a shitty deal. Much better to pocket the money you would otherwise spend on insurance premiums and treat any contract that would otherwise be insured as "off-budget."Confirmed the Red Sox have no insurance on Pablo. I am beyond disappointed, I thought they were smarter than that
A scope is a full season? Think they're expecting to find torn labrum or something? Hmm.So Pablo is going to get his shoulder scoped, per the Sox. I'd love to be in that OR to see the look on Andrews' face when he makes an incision and sweet creamy nougat comes pouring out of his shoulder...
Based on Scherzers claim that he took out a 40 million tax free insurance policy for 750K I think the number is closer to 3 cents on the dollar. Whether the insurance company would have covered the shoulder, I don't know. I do remember Josh Beckett said the insurance company covered his shoulder when he signed his extension with the Red Sox so they probably look at a players health following the initial injury and will still cover it if they are satisfied its not an issue any longer. Obviously, his MRI's did not raise any red flags for the Red Sox, so I imagine the insurance company would have been OK as wellInsurance probably costs 10 cents for every dollar of coverage, there are retention amounts and policy limits, and you aren't covered for the CBT implications of the contract, which remains on the club's books. It's a shitty deal. Much better to pocket the money you would otherwise spend on insurance premiums and treat any contract that would otherwise be insured as "off-budget."
Edit: And if Panda's current injury is an aggravation or re-injury of a problem he had in 2011, they wouldn't be collecting insurance proceeds anyway.
This or an RSI from the dessert table at Golden Corral. Just curious, I know Colon was renowned for being a tubby SOB but has anyone else literally eaten themselves out of a job in the MLB in such a spectacular fashion?or maybe he filled his plate at a buffet beyond his capacity to carry it with hurting himself.
Shoulder liposuction.But, but....people told me it was a fake DL stint just because he was so fat!
Let me disagree on this one. Lackey had a bunch of good years before he fell off the table due to an elbow injury in his pitching arm. There were no signs that he wasn't working hard, and it turned out he was just playing through an injury as was rumored at the time of his sugery. Panda's value depends on athleticism, which depends on working hard, which there are signs he is not doing.Feels like John Lackey c2012. How many people predicted that Lackey would be a key component of a World Series winning team the following year?
Colon seems like a very bad example of an athlete eating themselves out of a job.This or an RSI from the dessert table at Golden Corral. Just curious, I know Colon was renowned for being a tubby SOB but has anyone else literally eaten themselves out of a job in the MLB in such a spectacular fashion?
Well it's not like the guy did nothing last off season. According to Farrell he dropped 20 lbs. and the owner had him at 17 percent body fat.Maybe Ortiz and Hanley will talk him into going full Monty on the rehab...spend a year losing weight and getting into the best shape of his life...
Or they'll kill him.
They are calling it "shoulder surgery"... But they obviously mean liposuction.But, but....people told me it was a fake DL stint just because he was so fat!
Really hard to say until post-op. Even if he did have "just" an arthroscopic subacromial decompression (i.e. nothing repaired), he'd likely be out for 2-3 months, so given everything else that transpired this season why bother activating him? Just use this as a good excuse to hit the reset button and hope for the best in the future. Any kind of repair and his season is definitely over.@DaveRoberts'Shoes
Looks like it will be major surgery (more than a scope?)
“@PeteAbe: Told by a source Sandoval faces “significant” surgery and a lengthy rehab. Odds against him playing this season. More known post-surgery”
For weight/injury combos, could we look a Mo Vaughn and Carlos Baerga?This or an RSI from the dessert table at Golden Corral. Just curious, I know Colon was renowned for being a tubby SOB but has anyone else literally eaten themselves out of a job in the MLB in such a spectacular fashion?
Yeah. But then again so was Dusty Rhodes, and I've seen him dropkick a near six foot tall guy right on the chin. When he was in his forties.Pablo Sandoval is fat
Tell that to Cafardo. He'll have to find a new paragraph to cut and paste every week now that Panda-for-Shields is on ice.I'm not sure this could have worked out better, honestly.
If only underwriters didn't adjust premiums based on risk.Yes I understand insurance is expensive but doesn't it seem with his history they would have strongly considered it and swallowed the premium?
Ben...what were you thinking?
This is where that rule we have about linking to a source instead of just relying on memory comes in handy. In the future, do not post your opinions like you did here without linking to the source.I'm getting that from the fact that it worked that way in previous CBA's. For example, when Matt Clement went on the 60 day in 2006, his salary still counted in the sense that we were paying it, but it didn't count against the cap for the purpose of luxury tax calculations for the percentage of the season he spent on the 60 day DL (which was most of the season). We still paid him his umpteen million, but we didn't pay luxury tax penalties becaose if it. Reasonably confident Curt Schilling was the same deal in 08, we were still out of pocket, but the luxury tax implications were eased.
15 day and minor league salaries still count against the cap but 60 day DL salary doesn't. Or didn't. I think it's because guys on the 60 day DL aren't on the 40-man, but that may have nothing to do with it.I've tried to look up if it still works that way and saw an article or two in Fangraphs that suggested it does, but could use a bit of confirmation.
It's not a huge deal either way, except that maybe we could now take on a bit of salary without incurring tax penalties, which gives us a little wiggle room when making trades.
If only we had an easilly accessible place that had a full glossary and explanation for these types of things so that it would be easy to find a source.This is where that rule we have about linking to a source instead of just relying on memory comes in handy. In the future, do not post your opinions like you did here without linking to the source.
That is best in life.I merge the two Pablo-to-surgery threads, and put whatittakes out of his misery.
They tried McGahee there first and he was useless, so Sabean isn't some eerie savant....and somewhere deep in the bowels of AT&T, Brian Sabean, grins to himself, takes another sip of his bourbon and sends an email to the equipment guy asking how much fabric was saved on Matt Duffy's uniforms over the past two seasons...
Not to mention it's not as though Sabean pushed Sandoval out the door and told him not to come back. By all accounts, he was all in on bringing Sandoval back with a competitive, if not larger offer but Panda chose Boston. Sabean dodged a very large bullet (pun intended), and it's not because he had some Matrix-level acrobatic skills.They tried McGahee there first and he was useless, so Sabean isn't some eerie savant.