2017 Celtics Offseason: News and General Discussion
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Mark Murphy @Murf56 5m5 minutes ago
League source said Celtics will probably waive Tyler Zeller tomorrow. Deadline due on his $8 million for next year.
League source said Celtics will probably waive Tyler Zeller tomorrow. Deadline due on his $8 million for next year.
Teams reported to be interested are PHI, BRK, HOU, CHI and TOR.
Of the four, both PHI/BRK are well under the cap and wouldn't need to do a s&t.
CHI is near the cap and TOR is well over it, given their significant cap holds. I cannot see what assets TOR would trade, though, or why BOS would want to help TOR create space.
HOU is the likeliest team for a s&t.
Any scenario in which the Celtics are real contenders is a scenario in which Amir to the Raps doesn't matter at all -- Cs would be a way better team.
Fait accompli since mid-season. He wasn't waived earlier since there was a possibility of a trade into which his slot could have been used.
I know this was in jest but they hilariously do not even have their own 2nd rounder until 2021, though they do have a second rounder incoming from Indy protected 45-60.
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account @wojespn 1h1 hour ago
Free agent Amir Johnson has agreed to a one-year, $11M deal with Philadelphia, agent Kevin Bradbury tells ESPN.
Free agent Amir Johnson has agreed to a one-year, $11M deal with Philadelphia, agent Kevin Bradbury tells ESPN.
Woj on ESPN said that the sign and trade angle that the Celtics were exploring, and that eventually fell through, involved Jahlil Okafor.
Yeah. Given his salary, he's definitely worth a flier at this point if they can get him for a reasonable deal. I wouldn't expect much, but he'd at least be a worthy first big man off the bench.
Gallinari a fallback option? http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246675/Celtics-Could-Pursue-Danilo-Gallinari-If-Hayward-Signs-Elsewhere
Personally, I'd do nothing of consequence - why throw cap dollars for '18, '19 and '20 at players who won't be difference makers? With all of their roster and draft pick assets, this team has the luxury of being selectively aggressive. You extend cap dollars and assets for players like Paul George, Hayward and Butler, not Gallinari.
Unless IT and Bradley are to be traded or not re-signed, there will not be available cap space after this offseason for an impact player. Between salaries and cap holds the Celtics are already at $102m next year.
They need to use it or lose it.
Whether it's Gallinari or trading for a salary dump, the Celtics need to utilize this space. I think Danny's intention is to not hamstring the team for 3+ years of contracts.
Would Gallinari be tempted by a 1 year max deal, or is he likely to receive a near-max multiyear deal anyway?
Go into Philly mode (current Philly, not process Philly). Put solid players around the guys you hope to develop into cornerstones, and start trying to roll Avery/IT/Jae into future assets.
You probably resign Kelly in that scenario, and hope for him to make a leap on offense that either makes him productive or tradeable. Same with Marcus--if the 3 comes this year (MASSIVE "if", obviously), his value goes up drastically.
Basically, I think that development in a winning environment takes priority if Hayward doesn't sign.
So, why is it that the Boston absolutely must sign a big name free agent if it wants to compete for a championship, but Philly doesn't? Philly could have gone after Hayward or George instead of blowing 23M of cap space on Reddick and another 11M on Amir Johnson.
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The Celtics don't "have" to do anything. They simply have more options than Philly. Celtics have two paths: develop young players; sign top vets. Philly has one: develop young players.
In addition, top free agents know that Philly is further away from competing, and aren't considering it as a destination. If Embiid stays healthy for a year or two, that probably changes.
Philadelphia isn't looking to compete for a championship next year. Signing Redick and Amir to one-year deals doesn't affect their cap space moving forward......if anything it benefits them by having expiring contracts to trade at the deadline should an intriguing veteran become available. This is why I found it bizarre that Redick would agree to move to a city as an expiring deal for $23m rather than sign a 3-4 year contract at a slightly lesser AAV.
Any scenario where Hayward and Gallinari together make sense? With Crowder moved for a rebounder?
Simmons suggested Melo as a possibility on Twitter.
"Prediction: if the Celts don't get Gordon Hayward, they will regroup quickly and try to land Carmelo."
Well that was my point., and doing nothing is not the "failure" that many will call it. The best way to get stars is to draft them, not overpay for free agents. That's what Golden State did. Develop players like Smart, Brown, Tatum, Zizic, Yabusele and even Ojeleye. If even one of those guys blows up, you have your third star. And the ones that become solid rotation players are much more tradeable than guys like Bradley, who is on the verge of a big contract, or Crowder, a nice player who has probably reached his ceiling. I view player development as even more important than signing Hayward or any other free agent. And I don't want an over-the-hill guy like Zbo coming in here to take minutes away from Zizic, Yabusele or Tatum, just so the team can say it did something.
It's an interesting dilemma. No chance to beat Cleveland regardless so why focus on that. Accumulate assets.
Lebron is leaving after this year, the top seven teams in the league are in west. Guaranteed final with one or two additions. But zero chance to beat GSW for three years minimum
What do you do?
Hayward is a decent upgrade over minutes by Jae and AB. Likely means both are gone after this year, with Jae trade value worsening post a signing and AB gone for nothing. I mean if you have no chance to win, you trade them now if you sign Hayward.
Carmelo is a bad idea all around. Doesn't help now or later
Lebron is leaving after this year, the top seven teams in the league are in west. Guaranteed final with one or two additions. But zero chance to beat GSW for three years minimum
What do you do?
Hayward is a decent upgrade over minutes by Jae and AB. Likely means both are gone after this year, with Jae trade value worsening post a signing and AB gone for nothing. I mean if you have no chance to win, you trade them now if you sign Hayward.
Carmelo is a bad idea all around. Doesn't help now or later
Remember that time Simmons half-seriously floated himself as GM for the Bucks? God I wish that had happened just to have seen what a dumpster fire that would have been...
We have no indication that he is considering Carmelo. This is just Simmons speculating on Twitter. Sprtsguy33 is decent with his basketball observations but as is the case with him, he gets fixated on certain ideas that defy logic. I believe he has long had the idea that Carmelo and the Celtics are a good match.
One thing to consider, however, is that this offseason is the best time to add a talented player, due to current cap space and the free agency of IT, Bradley and Smart next offseason. A trade for an established star would be one way to do so. (Not advocating for Carmelo, just suggesting that Plan D, E, F, ... may involve a trade while BOS has cap space)
Carmelo doesn't sound like the craziest idea to me if Hayward chooses to play elsewhere. The dropoff from Hayward to the next best free agent is enormous(not counting Durant). I'd rather just take Melo into my cap space for a year rather than sign a Rudy Gay or Danilo Gallinari for multiple years. Don't love the Melo fit either, but NY would probably just give him to you. I'd want him to decline his player option for 2018-19 to take him tho.
Well, if the person making player personnel decisions for the Knicks these days (whoever that is), wants to throw in Porzingis, or Hernangomez and Ntilikina, I'd consider that. You would have the option of buying out Carmello or waiving him and using the stretch provision.
We actually do have some. Last winter there were reports that multiple people in the Celtics brain trust were in favor of acquiring Carmelo on the cheap with Ainge having reservations. I don't recall the specific person who broke this but I do recall he was at least a fairly reliable source as it caught my eye.