The Red Sox would gain the benefit of deducting the pro-rated minimum salary from their books IF Sandoval signs on somewhere else this season (on an MLB contract, that is). Pretty sure that is not the case beyond this season, though.
Yeah, someone will do what the Sox did with Peralta and give him a minor league deal and see if he can figure something out. If he does, the new team gets a cheap player. If he doesn't, he goes and sits on his couch or, if he's motivated, gets a deal with the Atlantic League.Even if he makes the roster, the Sox are on the hook for his contract. If he isn't traded for and refuses his assignment, it's over. He's a free agent, the Sox are paying his full contract and he can latch on anywhere he wants for league minimum while still cashing his 19 million per year.
And that ability to sign for league minimum is why he'll get a shot with someone. There's no downside for the team to give him a shot if they're in dire straits mid season because of injuries or want to bring him on board in spring training after he gets into "the best shape of his life" this winter.
He may never be effective again (and I'd certainly bet on that being the most likely outcome) but he'll get at least one more chance before he hangs up the cleats (officially or otherwise).
Something like Jamie Callahan would be my uneducated guess.Really curious what "not a great return" means. He's a rental, and having a subpar season, but he's still a league-average overall hitter with power and a solid defensive 3B.
Yes. No different than him laying on the beach or playing softball. They only save a bit if he plays in MLB with another team.What happens if Panda goes to play overseas, ie Japan? Do the sox still have to pay his contract and count him toward the LT?
The White Sox had a "clerical error" on Thursday where Moncada was coming up today. Kind of weird timing. Lin makes sense to go to AAA since they don't really have anyone below Moncada.Wouldnt be surprised if Lin was included in that deal, if it comes to be. CWS just released Everth Cabrera
So long as it's confirmed by KatyPerrysBootyHoleI don't believe anything unless it comes from wetbutt23
A league average 3b would be a major upgrade, and it's all anybody should be expecting. I don't think anybody's suggesting that Frazier is a superstar. Mid-.700s OPS and competent defense--how many fatted calves would we have sacrificed to get that from Sandoval? We have a chance to get it now for maybe a couple of fungible prospects. That's what people are excited about, not that he's Beltre redux or anything.Regarding Frazier, I think it would be a mistake to expect much more out of him than he's already given the white sox. His BABIP is staggeringly low and will likely improve but he's at .767 OPS and has never been much more than that (one season over .800), so I expect other things to come back to normal (his walk rate is an outlier from his career norms) and he'd likely be a mid .700 OPS player going forward. That said, he would provide a little stability as I think its crazy to expect better than that from Holt/Lin/Marrero. I just hope DD pays for a league average 3b and not a "40 Home run guy!"
Ya, I may not have been clear, I was responding to the post above mine saying that he may just be a .700 OPS guy. I think he probably is, maybe closer to .750/.760, but a stabilizing force at the position. My only concern is price and my hope is that DD pays for what he is and not his "former all star, 40 home run" reputation. The report of not a big price is appealing, for sure.A league average 3b would be a major upgrade, and it's all anybody should be expecting. I don't think anybody's suggesting that Frazier is a superstar. Mid-.700s OPS and competent defense--how many fatted calves would we have sacrificed to get that from Sandoval? We have a chance to get it now for maybe a couple of fungible prospects. That's what people are excited about, not that he's Beltre redux or anything.
Yeah but if this has a top prospect going back to Chicago it's going to be really bad. Depends what is defined as not great return.He doesn't F around. I like it.
I agree with this. Seems to me that the Red Sox and Yankees are the only two contenders really looking to add a 3B. Now that they've lost Pineda to TJ, the Yankees probably need a SP more than 3B.This isn't like pitching, which most contenders could use. How many contenders are in the market to upgrade to a league average 3rd baseman? The White Sox will be as motivated to dump salary as the Red Sox are to acquire Frazier. There's no reason to believe this will be a big prospect from Boston.
And the second:While the White Sox are known to be open for business, Heyman reports that there isn’t presently much of a market for Todd Frazier or Melky Cabrera. He hears that the Sox would “have to practically give [Frazier] away” or at eat virtually all of his salary in a trade.
The Red Sox should be able to add about $9MM to their payroll this summer without crossing the luxury tax barrier, per Alex Speier of the Boston Globe.
So Dombrowski will presumably try to negotiate a deal with the White Sox where they eat just enough of the salary ($3M-ish) to keep the Red Sox under the threshold, with whatever talent sweetening that requires (hopefully more a matter of quantity than quality).Two additional pieces per MLBTR:
Exactly -- it's a deal that makes sense for both sides.So Dombrowski will presumably try to negotiate a deal with the White Sox where they eat just enough of the salary ($3M-ish) to keep the Red Sox under the threshold, with whatever talent sweetening that requires (hopefully more a matter of quantity than quality).
Keep in mind that the Red Sox would only be "charged" for the pro-rated portion of his salary he'd earn with them. So they could take Frazier on without the White Sox paying anything and still stay under the cap. If they acquired him today, there's about 45% of the season left so they'd only be responsible for ~45% of his $12M salary, or about $5.4M.So Dombrowski will presumably try to negotiate a deal with the White Sox where they eat just enough of the salary ($3M-ish) to keep the Red Sox under the threshold, with whatever talent sweetening that requires (hopefully more a matter of quantity than quality).
D'oh! Of course. No sweetener needed, unless the Sox want to allow themselves a little extra room for another deadline acquisition like a bullpen arm. Thanks for the correction.Keep in mind that the Red Sox would only be "charged" for the pro-rated portion of his salary he'd earn with them. So they could take Frazier on without the White Sox paying anything and still stay under the cap. If they acquired him today, there's about 45% of the season left so they'd only be responsible for ~45% of his $12M salary, or about $5.4M.
2017 G PA HR RBI BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip
Home 38 155 5 17 .143 .290 .302 .592 .144
Away 41 171 11 27 .267 .368 .555 .923 .283
2016 G PA HR RBI BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip
Home 79 322 16 41 .218 .293 .425 .717 .230
Away 79 344 24 57 .233 .311 .502 .813 .242
Fans may still dig the long ball, but the market value of Frazier 40 HR types has certainly plummeted of late among the front offices writing the checks. I'll be fairly surprised here if the return beyond cash relief isn't based around names 90% of this board isn't even going to be familiar with. Unless maybe they want to take a last ditch flyer on Swihart or something.I just hope DD pays for a league average 3b and not a "40 Home run guy!"
I am waiting to see how Brock Holt is recovering from vertigo, as he was impressive in his work with the PawSox earlier this month.Lin was mentioned upthread. FWIW he's in the lineup today, but that can obviously change.
There's no guarantee Devers is going to be healthy and/or ready next year. Assuming Moreland goes somewhere else, we're going to want to have cheap veteran options at first and third.If nothing else I'd like the trade just because it gives us an in-house preview of one of the guys we might decide to turn around and grab up on the relative cheap this winter. Whether it be at 3rd with Devers shifting to first, or at 1B with the insurance potential to move back to 3rd if things go south with Devers.
Impressive???...as he was impressive in his work with the PawSox earlier this month.
They are interested in him for 1B or moving Headley to 1B with Frazier at 3BWith Pinetaraeda heading for TJ, I can't imagine a 3Bman is the Yankees top priority, but it does seem reasonable that they would try to complicate matters for the Red Sox.
Frazier offers an overall level of flexibility and insurance that Moreland doesn't/won't though.A healthy Moreland seems to be a far better option than Frazier at 1B for 2018. Other than Frazier being shiny and new (to us) that is.
If they package Robertson. Why do I get the sickening feeling on what DD is going to give up. Hell im already scared about what the return will be for the White Sox with Frazier alone.
With how thin the system is, it might still be a name we'd all cringe at. Don't be surprised to hear something like Dalbec or Swihart. And if the deal expands beyond Frazier, maybe even Chavis.
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The #Whitesox would get only fringe prospect in return for Frazier, and eating part of contract too, in any deal