SBLII: The Brady Watch

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Hoyer was actually having a really good year last year before being hurt in Chicago. He had a few really good games on a terrible SF team this year as well. There is a drop off between Brady and Hoyer obviously, but Hoyer is as good of a backup as you can hope for. He's got plenty of starting experience, knows the system and had proven he can win NFL games on much worse teams.
 

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Hoyer was actually having a really good year last year before being hurt in Chicago. He had a few really good games on a terrible SF team this year as well. There is a drop off between Brady and Hoyer obviously, but Hoyer is as good of a backup as you can hope for. He's got plenty of starting experience, knows the system and had proven he can win NFL games on much worse teams.
Is he, though?
 

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Hoyer was actually having a really good year last year before being hurt in Chicago. He had a few really good games on a terrible SF team this year as well. There is a drop off between Brady and Hoyer obviously, but Hoyer is as good of a backup as you can hope for. He's got plenty of starting experience, knows the system and had proven he can win NFL games on much worse teams.
You're not going to want to read the inevitable Jimmy G articles.
 

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What about Brian Hoyer says “really good” to anyone?

The best I can get to is mediocre.
 

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Like I said yesterday, if the books thought that Brady wasn’t going to play in any seriousness, the line would be OTB. They don’t leave lines up to get hammered. The public moves are wrong more than they are right
When was the last time the Vegas books had a conference title game off the board? I don't ever remember it happening. Are they seriously just going to pass up that action?
 

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You don't. It has to be that he hit it on a helmet. Has to be.
No, I mean I could definitely see a UCL strain happening on a handoff, just not an open-faced dislocation or whatever. I have strained my UCL playing basketball. Obviously, every injury is different, but for me It was more annoying than anything. It didn’t affect my terrible shot at all, but the thumb isn’t as important shooting a basketball as throwing a football.
Is he, though?
Tom Brady is going to play and he would have played if Jimmy was here or not. He has played through far worse.
 

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When was the last time the Vegas books had a conference title game off the board? I don't ever remember it happening. Are they seriously just going to pass up that action?
Yeah, this doesn't make sense to me at all. Even if Brady was hit by a meteorite, they'd still have the line up. At worst, they don't pick a side and move the odds to balance action for a guaranteed profit with no risk.
 

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No, I mean I could definitely see a UCL strain happening on a handoff, just not an open-faced dislocation or whatever. I have strained my UCL playing basketball. Obviously, every injury is different, but for me It was more annoying than anything. It didn’t affect my terrible shot at all, but the thumb isn’t as important shooting a basketball as throwing a football.
If Tom Brady ripped his finger off in practice this week, can you even imagine how much that information would be worth?

I know the Patriots keep a good secret, but I have trouble seeing this.
 

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No, I mean I could definitely see a UCL strain happening on a handoff, just not an open-faced dislocation or whatever. I have strained my UCL playing basketball. Obviously, every injury is different, but for me It was more annoying than anything. It didn’t affect my terrible shot at all, but the thumb isn’t as important shooting a basketball as throwing a football.
Chao is an open face moron. I wouldn't put any stock in what he says. Strained UCL is more plausible as DRS says. Hit it on a helmet and get it twisted in a face mask.
 

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Chao is an open face moron. I wouldn't put any stock in what he says. Strained UCL is more plausible as DRS says. Hit it on a helmet and get it twisted in a face mask.
I strained mine just jamming my thumb, I Could easily see it happening on a handoff. I’m not sure why they’d lie about how the injury happened. Of course, it could also be a completely different injury.

I have to wonder how he’s not going to aggravate it when he hits the ground to brace himself, but we’ll see.
 

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I strained mine just jamming my thumb, I Could easily see it happening on a handoff. I’m not sure why they’d lie about how the injury happened. Of course, it could also be a completely different injury.

I have to wonder how he’s not going to aggravate it when he hits the ground to brace himself, but we’ll see.
As I said, Gisele gave him the Dolphin.

Also, AR - as an Eagles fan, you can hope Foles recaptures that magic season he has. Hoyer never had a stretch like that, though he has had decent stretches.
 

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Yeah, this doesn't make sense to me at all. Even if Brady was hit by a meteorite, they'd still have the line up. At worst, they don't pick a side and move the odds to balance action for a guaranteed profit with no risk.
Rivers had a torn ACL in 2007 and I think there was a question as to whether he could play, right up until Sunday. There was a line on that game.
 

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Also, AR - as an Eagles fan, you can hope Foles recaptures that magic season he has. Hoyer never had a stretch like that, though he has had decent stretches.
The difference is that no one really believes that Hoyer will see the field Sunday.

Notwithstanding that rather important distinction, I have empathy for how upsetting it is to face the possibility of a magnificent season coming undone due to injury.
 

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Yeah, this doesn't make sense to me at all. Even if Brady was hit by a meteorite, they'd still have the line up. At worst, they don't pick a side and move the odds to balance action for a guaranteed profit with no risk.
The line if Brady wasn’t going to play would be Pats Pk at best I think. The books keep lines OTB during the season but yes it is harder during the playoffs due to demand. That said if they truly were afraid he wasn’t going to play, but just didn’t know, the gap in the lines are too big and they definitely would pull it down till they had more information. Vegas doesn’t want one way action ideally and damn sure wouldn’t want a mountain of Jags +8 bets if Brady didn’t play.
 

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The difference is that no one really believes that Hoyer will see the field Sunday.

Notwithstanding that rather important distinction, I have empathy for how upsetting it is to face the possibility of a magnificent season coming undone due to injury.
Right, but at least as an Eagles fan you have a rich playoff history to fall back on. For us, who knows if things will ever come together like this again?
 

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The line if Brady wasn’t going to play would be Pats Pk at best I think. The books keep lines OTB during the season but yes it is harder during the playoffs due to demand. That said if they truly were afraid he wasn’t going to play, but just didn’t know, the gap in the lines are too big and they definitely would pull it down till they had more information. Vegas doesn’t want one way action ideally and damn sure wouldn’t want a mountain of Jags +8 bets if Brady didn’t play.
Then +/-8 is the wrong line in that market, and it should/would move. That's my point.
 

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Incidentally, how would Guregian know that Tom got x-rays on his hand, that they were negative for a fracture, but not know what the fuck is wrong with his hand?

Mind you, I'm not doubting the veracity of her reporting, I'm just scratching my head over how her source(s) would only have partial knowledge of his injury situation and/or would be unwilling to give her the whole lowdown.
 

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Incidentally, how would Guregian know that Tom got x-rays on his hand, that they were negative for a fracture, but not know what the fuck is wrong with his hand?

Mind you, I'm not doubting the veracity of her reporting, I'm just scratching my head over how her source(s) would only have partial knowledge of his injury situation and/or would be unwilling to give her the whole lowdown.
It's about the source, right? One possibility is someone associated with the xray process, though since those folks deal with HIPAA restrictions they are perhaps less likely than someone else in the communication chain---someone who overheard something, someone in low level role at team, etc.

Pats being who they are, I'd expect fewer people know the real situation than you'd imagine. I bet most players don't really know, and perhaps not even all of the coaching staff. I just think that's how they compartmentalize info. Story is 'hand was banged up, think its going to be fine, today we're focused on..."
 

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Chao is a legit quack, have worked with plenty of people who used to work with him. He obviously has more general sports injury knowledge than a non-orthopedist, but for every semi-helpful insight there is an erroneous assumption or just plain weird comment. I wouldn’t put any stock in his “open dislocation” article without some additional sources.

A UCL sprain is a good guess, (hoping the “no fracture” reports are true) we see the UCL injured often in a “jammed thumb” type injury. Not sure how we can know it’s just a low grade sprain not a full thickness tear, but obviously hoping for the best. Some of the full thickness tears require surgery depending on the way it tears, but that’s obviously not happening in the next 3 days (if Brady has offseason surgery he probably has a “Stener lesion” of the UCL). Either way, could definitely have an impact on his grip depending on the severity of the sprain.
 

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I'm no doctor, but if TB's ok to put on and take off pads, a uniform, cleats and tight-fitting gloves, he's ok to take a snap, hand off a ball or throw check downs, slants and short crosses. (With JAX's pass rush and our OL, it's not like he's going to have time in the pocket to survey deep options... I doubt that was a big part of the game plan anyway.) Every minute he's on the field chit-chatting, he's not with medical staff getting evaluation and treatment. The prescription seems to be rest, not immobilization or something more drastic.
 

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If it really is a hand injury, I don’t think he will be taking many snaps under center. That ball comes up awfully fast and hard <insert that’s what she said joke here>.
 

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Excellent response by McCourty when asked about Brady's hand: “When you look at Tom, (you look at) the facial (region), it’s hard to look at anything else. So, I really only saw his face.”


Also Kyle van Noy when asked about how Brady looked: "Tom always looks good. He’s handsome, and he’s good at football."
 

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Incidentally, how would Guregian know that Tom got x-rays on his hand, that they were negative for a fracture, but not know what the fuck is wrong with his hand?

Mind you, I'm not doubting the veracity of her reporting, I'm just scratching my head over how her source(s) would only have partial knowledge of his injury situation and/or would be unwilling to give her the whole lowdown.
Jordan Bell on the Warriors went down in a heap last night. The first report that came out was "Xrays negative, MRI to come." Then the MRI results came out today and he was fully diagnosed. So it'd be easy for someone to know there was no break, but then need a separate consultation/more info to determine the full extent of the injury.
 

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It's about the source, right? One possibility is someone associated with the xray process, though since those folks deal with HIPAA restrictions they are perhaps less likely than someone else in the communication chain---someone who overheard something, someone in low level role at team, etc.

Pats being who they are, I'd expect fewer people know the real situation than you'd imagine. I bet most players don't really know, and perhaps not even all of the coaching staff. I just think that's how they compartmentalize info. Story is 'hand was banged up, think its going to be fine, today we're focused on..."
I think this is right, and they certainly compartmentalize information like CIA, only effectively.
 

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This sucks. While unintentionally hilarious, the prospect of a Hoyer-Bortles, Foles-Keenum final four has got disaster written all over it.

Work your voodoo magic, Alex.
 

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Excellent response by McCourty when asked about Brady's hand: “When you look at Tom, (you look at) the facial (region), it’s hard to look at anything else. So, I really only saw his face.”


Also Kyle van Noy when asked about how Brady looked: "Tom always looks good. He’s handsome, and he’s good at football."
The fact that they’re busting his balls as usual via the media is a good sign too.
 

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Nobody knows shit. Everything is speculation, in a couple cases informed. We’ll know more tomorrow and much more Sunday. It wouldn’t surprise me if he does not start or is pulled; I would be mildly surprised if he lights it up, but not shocked.

If Pats win, we’re in for 17 days of this.
 

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Nobody knows shit. Everything is speculation, in a couple cases informed. We’ll know more tomorrow and much more Sunday. It wouldn’t surprise me if he does not start or is pulled; I would be mildly surprised if he lights it up, but not shocked.

If Pats win, we’re in for 17 days of this.
Nope, that's the rub; at this point, no one knows a thing and as you said, it's 100% speculation.

If they win, I'll gladly deal with this for the next two weeks, a good problem to have given the alternative.
 

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On NFLN they asked Dion if he was the one that broke Brady's hand. He said "I wasn't the one". So, at least we know he's got a broken hand.