Penn State AD and Sandusky Charged

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But... it sort've is because Sandusky's ability to continue to prey on children was seemingly aided and abetted BY people involved with PSU and PSU Football specifically.
because the football program and the coach were considered more important than the laws of the state and evidently common decency. I am concluding that Paterno is an enabled, selfish bad guy. His comments earlier today and the way he has acted since this all came public have enahnced that conclusion
 

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It absolutely is a college football story. It is a story of lies and cover-ups to the $50m per year cash machine could keep plugging along. It is a story of how big money college athletics take precedent over moral obligations.
I go back to what I said on page 1 of this thread before, frankly, I'd known virtually anything about this:.
At some point, the death penalty for college football itself will seem too light. This is def one of the most despicable cases -- but it's one in a long line of despicable examples of how utterly corrupt and above the law this sport has become. The combination of the Internet and aggressive investigative reporting in the wake of the media's collapse--from Real Sports to 30 for 30 to SI's coverage about OSU--has shed a whole new light on this sport -- from the bowl games cheating on taxes to, now, coverups of sexual abuse.

I get that these schools are powerful and all, and that some of this behavior has been going on for a long time. But if somebody doesn't come in to the NCAA and start cleaning shit up soon, it's going to get cleaned up for them.
 

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See Simpson, OJ; Anthony, Casey

I mentioned this upthread. Not from PA, but is it possible to field an unbiased jury there? Seems people in the area will be either JoePa koolaid drinkers or understandably driven to rage by the accusations. I've heard of the latter happen in sexual abuse and other high profile cases where the jury convicts, but were so enraged by reports in the media that defense lawyers successfully appealed on the grounds of an unfair trial and had the the convictions overturned. So possibility should not be overlooked. The "West Memphis 3" is a recent case I can recall. However, it ended up that they truthfully were wrongfully convicted.
Pennsylvania is a state of 12.6 million people. I'm confident you can find twelve jurors there who don't care about Penn State.
 

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where the darn libs live
I agree. They (Curley and Shultz) absolutely should have called the real police. That Shultz runs the University Police (or it reports to him, it's unclear) might have created the false perception that "cops" were involved in "investigating" something here. It's wrong, and I'm not ignoring that.
What a fucking shock that you, The Worst Poster on Sons of Sam Horn, are missing the forest for the trees.
 

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The PSU Alumni Board Facebook page. These aren't 18 year-old students. The cult of JoePa is amazing. 99% of the comments are outrage that "Joe" was fired.

https://www.facebook.com/PennStateAlumniAssociation?ref=ts
 

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"JPosnanski: I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
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J.McG

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Pennsylvania is a state of 12.6 million people. I'm confident you can find twelve jurors there who don't care about Penn State.
True, but I don't know if this is being tried in Philadelphia or Centre County. If it's the latter and I'm the prosecutor, I'm being awful careful in the jury selection process. It's not just about eliminating PSU fans from the jury, but people calling for vigilante justice as well. Either could potentially cost you a conviction.
 
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The PSU Alumni Board Facebook page. These aren't 18 year-old students. The cult of JoePa is amazing. 99% of the comments are outrage that "Joe" was fired.

https://www.facebook...ociation?ref=ts
I just told someone bitching about not donating to the school until the whole board of trustees was fired to take his money and give instead to NAMBLA.

Then I erased it and went to my Dad's house to ask what I should do.
 

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I'm uncomfortable that this has shifted from a Jerry Sandusky story to a story about Joe Paterno and Penn State football. This is not a college football story.
Paterno is one of the most storied coaches in the history of sports. Penn State is a top college football program. The fact that a monster like Sandusky was allowed to stay, lurk, and pursue children while being protected the safety of the program's impenetrable shadow is sickening. Add to it that this all occurred under the "watchful" eye of Joe Paterno, and this is a college football story as well. First it's about those poor kids. But somewhere along the line, this is about the current state of college football. It's about the current state of values. It's about the amoral nature of some powerful people charged with being responsible.

This is a huge, all-encompassing story.
 

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Spencer Hall kills me.

Reporter Four: What information did you have that the public didn't?

John Surma: None. We used the same information you used.

Reporter Four: THEN HOW CAN YOU SAY ANYTHING HAPPENED?

John Surma: Did you read the grand jury report?

Reporter Four: I READ JOE PATERNO'S BOOK NO ORDINARY JOE! THAT'S THE ONLY BOOK I NEED.

John Surma: That's not even a question.

Reporter Four: YOU'RE NOT A QUESTION.

Reporter Five: "WE ARE!"

Reporters: "PENN STATE!"

Surma: That is not a question.

Reporter Six: When you addressed him, did you look him in the eye? THERE IS A LIST FOR THOSE WHO CAN LOOK HIM IN THE EYE YOU BETTER BE ON IT.

Reporter Seven: WHY DID YOU FIRE HIM? WHAT AUTHORITY DO YOU HAVE?

[EVERYONE IN ROOM CHANTS SEVEN NATION ARMY FOR TWO MINUTES]
EDSBS
 

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I really disagree that this is an NCAA story. This is not what the NCAA was set up to monitor, police, or handle.
 

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Maybe the charity knew a lot of what was going on?
Maybe the purpose of the "charity" was to Sandusky what the Toledo Mud Hens are to the Tigers?

Honestly, nothing would surprise me at this point. This shit has been hidden and kept quiet for years and the floodgates are now officially open.
 

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So, what did Sandusky know that he was protected for so long?
He didn't work there for the past 11 years and was 30 year pillar of the community. My honest assumption is they thought something like this: "Jerry is a weirdo, but the less I know the better."

I don't remember the Red Sox situation with the clubhouse attendant very well, but that's got to be an applicable parallel, no?
 

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The only thing I can imagine that would be worse would be if the Second Mile was the NAMBLA of organisations and connected with other pedophiles, not just Sandusky.
 

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Not surprised one bit by the hero worshiping going on at PSU right now. Going from being an outsider to suddenly immersed in college football culture, this seems about par for the course. College football serves as the fabric of many people's lives for better or for worse. They'd be doing the same thing at Alabama if you substituted Joe Paterno with Bear Bryant or Florida State if it were Bobby Bowden. The sickening reactions by Penn State students/fans in that press conference and on campus make them seem so disconnected from the rest of the world... because they are.
 

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Not surprised one bit by the hero worshiping going on at PSU right now. Going from being an outsider to suddenly immersed in college football culture, this seems about par for the course. College football serves as the fabric of many people's lives for better or for worse. They'd be doing the same thing at Alabama if you substituted Joe Paterno with Bear Bryant or Florida State if it were Bobby Bowden. The sickening reactions by Penn State students/fans in that press conference and on campus make them seem so disconnected from the rest of the world... because they are.
A teacher of mine used to say that college was the "land of make-believe." Certainly makes sense here.
 
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I really disagree that this is an NCAA story. This is not what the NCAA was set up to monitor, police, or handle.
This stopped being an NCAA story last week. It's now the lead story on all major and cable tv/print news outlets, as well as non-news outlets like "The Joy Behar Show" and "Dr. Drew." It's the biggest college sports scandal of all time and is on its way to being the biggest child molestation scandal since the Catholic Church.

Herman Cain thanks you for your service, JoPa!
 

bowiac

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True. The NCAA was set up to make sure universities didn't have to share their athletic revenue with athletes.
Well, broadly, yeah? Player safety and competitive balance are what the NCAA is there for.

I don't wanna get V&N here, but it would be like getting on the SEC if this same situation had occurred at Goldman Sachs. Sure they oversee many of the activities of the organization, but there are also a lot of aspects that they don't oversee.