ALCS Game 5 Pitching Predictions

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It's been awhile since our team has been so out of arms (my mind goes back to Alfredo Aceves "If I wake up tomorrow, I'm good"). Cora went all in on last night's win and we now are on the verge of completing.

Price starts tonight, and then what? How long will he go? Who do you expect to see out of the pen tonight? Who do you want to see? Not want to see?

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I am hoping for a D . Lowe on 2 days rest hold on tight, laugher where the Sox score early and often.

I think Prices gets through 5 and the Sox hang around.
Price 4-5
Kelly 1-2
Barnes 1
Brasier 1
Hembrre/Workman 1-2

Kumbrell if they get the lead int he 9th, and he will dominate.
 

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I expect Price for 3-4. Then it depends

If Sox are trailing: Kelly, Hembree, Workman (in that order until the game ends or they take the lead)
If Sox are winning: Rodriguez, Brasier, Barnes
If game is tied: (here be dragons)
 

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I think it will be Price plus the B list guys .. Workman, Hembree , Erod,

Barnes or Hembree get the closer gig tonight .. wouldn’t be shocked if Kelly gets an inning as well .. Highly doubt we see Kimbrel or Brasier . They are playing with house money for this game.
 

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I'd go with Luis Tiant, guy's got a rubber arm, relies on guile as much as anything else, might be good for 3 innings, and he should be good to go on 35 years rest.

If Luis can't go, Price is our guy for whatever he can deliver and hope he gets run support up the ass

if this looks like a lost cause early, save the pen as much as possible.
 

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I think it will be Price plus the B list guys .. Workman, Hembree , Erod,

Barnes or Hembree get the closer gig tonight .. wouldn’t be shocked if Kelly gets an inning as well .. Highly doubt we see Kimbrel or Brasier . They are playing with house money for this game.
They are playing with house money, but if they have a shot to win, they won't screw around. Losing today makes it 3-2, and in game 6, Cole goes against probably a weakened Sale, which may not be a great matchup for the Sox. And then if it gets to game 7, Eovaldi (who's been great) vs. Keuchel may seem like a good matchup but it'll be game 7 and nobody wants that. (Well, Houston does, obviously)
 

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I'd go with Luis Tiant, guy's got a rubber arm, relies on guile as much as anything else, might be good for 3 innings, and he should be good to go on 35 years rest.

If Luis can't go, Price is our guy for whatever he can deliver and hope he gets run support up the ass.
The problem is if Price gets lit up, what then? I think at best he goes 5 ip on three day's rest. Tonight is gonna be really interesting. Someone may have to take a beating for the team. Or...maybe the offense shows up (not that they haven't already) and they make it a laugher. That would be nice.
 

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Price gets the playoff monkey off his back for good with six strong innings tonight. The offense jumps Verlander for a few early runs and continues tacking on insurance runs against the Astros bullpen. Playoff road dominance continues.
 

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I am at least hoping Kimbrel's gets the "Pedro treatment" for tonight, regardless of game situation - my poor heart can't take watching him back-to-back nights....



I think Price gives us 5 or 6 tonight if he is pitching well, given that he is looking at a good long recovery period after this game regardless of whether we win or lose.
 

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The problem is if Price gets lit up, what then? I think at best he goes 5 ip on three day's rest. Tonight is gonna be really interesting. Someone may have to take a beating for the team. Or...maybe the offense shows up (not that they haven't already) and they make it a laugher. That would be nice.
I tacked on to my post, that if Price get lit up early, save the pen as much as possible,given Sale is a question ? and who knows what he can deliver in game 6. I might let BrockStar take the mound.

We're playing for one win now, and Cora has to maximize his chances.
 

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I think Price gets more rope than SoSH would want and Barnes closes, with hopefully little in between.

The gun is not to the Red Sox' heads, it's to the Astros. With an off-day Friday, the focus needs to be on having the Red Sox staff as rested as possible for Game 6 in Boston, if there is to be one. Tonight, try to hold the line with what we've got and hope the offense takes it away.
 

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Sale. If the Sox have a lead, they go to Sale and end this. Eddie can start game 6 and Eovaldi can start game 7, with both Price and Sale available out of the pen.
 

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Price gets through the lineup twice...ideally that's 5+ if he's really good, but it's probably only 4.
Eovaldi pitches the 5th.
E-Rod/Kelly tag-team through the 6th.
Brazier 7th.
Barnes 8th.
Kimbrel 9th with Sale warming.

Sox hang a 6-spot on Verlander in the 3rd, and gradually pull away from there.
 

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I tacked on to my post, that if Price get lit up early, save the pen as much as possible,given Sale is a question ? and who knows what he can deliver in game 6. I might let BrockStar take the mound.

We're playing for one win now, and Cora has to maximize his chances.
I'm more concerned about making sure no one's arm falls off from overuse than anything else.
At least the team only needs 24 outs to send it back to Boston.
 

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I am curious people's thoughts on the low usage of Eduardo Rodriguez this post season. He's only pitched 3+ innings, and while not very good in those 3, it seems strange to me that he's neither getting a spot start, nor pitching significant relief innings given that there's such a glaring need. He wasn't great to end the season, despite a very high K rate. Does the coaching staff think he's got issues at the moment? Do they not trust him coming in from the pen? Or is this decision match-up based?
 

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I'm thinking they may be saving him as a potential piggy back to Price's start tonight.
 

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he walked the #9 hitter last night, in ALDS he took us out of the game with no hustle and scared pitching.

so no trust.
 

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I am curious people's thoughts on the low usage of Eduardo Rodriguez this post season. He's only pitched 3+ innings, and while not very good in those 3, it seems strange to me that he's neither getting a spot start, nor pitching significant relief innings given that there's such a glaring need. He wasn't great to end the season, despite a very high K rate. Does the coaching staff think he's got issues at the moment? Do they not trust him coming in from the pen? Or is this decision match-up based?
I fully expect Rodriguez to follow Price today. I think his lack of usage so far is primarily match-ups. There just aren't that many lefties on the Yankees or Astros that require a lefty reliever to get them out.

Price goes 5, ERod goes 2, Hembree for 1, Barnes closes. That to me is the ideal outcome. Hopefully the bats stay hot, get to Verlander and pad things out against the Astros burnt pen.
 

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Price 6.1 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 7 K (win)
Brasier 0.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K
Barnes 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 0 K
Kimbrel 1 IP, 1 H, 2 R, 2 BB, 1 K (save) :eek:
 

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When they showed Price warming up, he looked like her was letting it loose. I just dont see how he can pitch 5 or 6 innings tonight. Not like hes a tired Derek Lowe pitching a gem on 2 days rest against the Yankees. SO I expect Price will pitch a perfect game.

However, if he gets lit up, bring in Workman, and let him pitch till his arm falls off. Dont waste any good arms, give everyone a rest for the weekend. OR make Verlander pitch 140 pitches and burn him out so he is unavailable or useless Saturday.

Wish someone would set up a Poll, curious what the board thinks about tonights game, and how many think the Sox can and will actually close it out tonight.
 

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Definitely think they can win, don't know if they will. Baseball is a strange game. Maybe we get a bullpen no hitter or the team scores 12 runs.
 

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I was thinking just 3 IP for Price originally due to the short rest and expecting a quick hook, but with the 3-1 lead, I think he'll get a slightly longer leash. Additionally even though he's on short rest, he only pitched 80 pitches in game 2.

Price 4.1 IP
Rodriguez 1.2 IP
Brasier .2 IP
Barnes 1.1IP
Eovaldi 1 IP
 

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I am bullish on Price. I don't think the short rest is a huge problem, given the reduced pitch count in game two, and I really don't think warming up last night is an issue. I envision 6 IP or maybe even a few more outs, 3-4 runs, and a pile of strikeouts. We're up 3-1 with a gassed bullpen, a looming off day and a return to Fenway. Price and Cora both know he needs to go long more than he needs to keep runs off the board, so I think he will be around the plate, challenging hitters, possibly at the cost of a few long balls. The defense will be very important.

If the Sox can get Verlander off the mound on the early side, even if they don't score much against him, the game is winnable against a Houston bullpen that is every bit as beleaguered as ours. Obviously, if he pitches one of his better games, it will be tough for Boston.

But remember, Verlander had a Price-like first few postseasons. He was bad in 2006 (4 starts, high-5s ERA), bad in 2011 (4 starts, mid-5s ERA). It was only in the 2012 and 2013 postseasons that he really achieved a reputation as a big-game pitcher, throwing six good starts in seven tries (exception: the Pablo Sandoval game), and since then he's been pretty reliable — although the Orioles scuffed him up a bit in the 2014 ALDS. So he's been good, but not untouchable: and he's rarely faced offenses as good as Boston's, largely because there have rarely been offenses as good as Boston's.
 

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What I expect:

Price will go 6.1, exit with a 4-3 lead
Hembree will go .2, allow the tying run to score, so Price dosn't get the W, but minimize the damage
Workman will go 1, and get the semi-vulture win
Barnes for .1,
Kimbrel for .2, he will walk the first batter, but get a K/CS double play from Leon's arm to end it.

5-4, Red Sox

What I want:

Price to go 7 innings, get contact, low pitch count. Maybe leaves with a 2-3 run lead.
Edro for 2. 8th is pressure, 9th is mop-up.
Red Sox score 6 runs in the top of the 9th to twist the knife after giving Astros hope.
 

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Regarding Price and how much energy/effort he put into his warmup last night:

Price: “I don’t count those (pitches). I don’t know (how many). The first ones are just to get loose and if we would have scored two in the top of the ninth, I would have went out there for the ninth inning.”

LeVangie: “(Bullpen coach Craig Bjornson) said he managed it well. He never overthrows out there too much anyways regardless of his start day or not.”
 

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I expect Price for 3-4. Then it depends

If Sox are trailing: Kelly, Hembree, Workman (in that order until the game ends or they take the lead)
If Sox are winning: Rodriguez, Brasier, Barnes
If game is tied: (here be dragons)
I'm pretty sure it will be lane-dependant.
 

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I don't know. Neither Cora nor I were pleased by his walking the one game he came into the game to pitch to last night.
And I'm sure your feelings will be taken into the decision making process. :eyeroll:

They aren't in a position to punish a guy for poor performance. If they need a couple innings to get through the 5th, 6th, and 7th, ERod is as viable an option as anyone else, and he's got a lot less mileage on his arm in the last two days.
 
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And I'm sure your feelings will be taken into the decision making process. :eyeroll:

They aren't in a position to punish a guy for poor performance. If they need a couple innings to get through the 5th, 6th, and 7th, ERod is as viable an option as anyone else, and he's got a lot less mileage on his arm in the last two days.
I think it's possible they think the Astros have something on him and are inclined to stay away. In his September start against them, he had a good first inning and then was giving up rockets all over the place. Bregman and Maldonado took him over the monster. Every out was smoked but at someone, they were on top of everything and seemed to know what was coming. Just a thought.
 

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I am curious people's thoughts on the low usage of Eduardo Rodriguez this post season. He's only pitched 3+ innings, and while not very good in those 3, it seems strange to me that he's neither getting a spot start, nor pitching significant relief innings given that there's such a glaring need. He wasn't great to end the season, despite a very high K rate. Does the coaching staff think he's got issues at the moment? Do they not trust him coming in from the pen? Or is this decision match-up based?
The two opponents both crush LH pitching, and neither one has had spots with even 2 LH batters due in an inning where you could sneak him in.

That, and he hasn't been good. Seems like his command isn't there... role change/erratic usage make that somewhat understandable.
 

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he walked the #9 hitter last night, in ALDS he took us out of the game with no hustle and scared pitching.

so no trust.
Amen. Started him 0-2 with two great pitches IIRC then just lost it. On a roster comprised almost entirely of gamers, this guy doesn’t get it. He’s talented so there is always a chance but...definitely the last guy I would pin my hopes on.
 

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I have Eovaldi as the closer tonight.

Price 3.1 IP
Workman 1.2 IP

If ahead:
ERo 1 IP
Hembree 1 IP
Barnes 1 IP
Eovaldi 1 IP

If behind:
Remove Eovaldi, shorten Barnes, stretch ERo and Hembree.
 

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I generally agree, but what if it's tied or the Sox are behind by just a run or two? That's the grey area; you want to keep it as close as possible to give the bats a chance to take the lead, but do you use every bullet to do so, despite knowing you'll need arms for a potential Game 6 given Sale's shaky status? I think so.
 

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If behind, there's only eight innings that need to be pitched.
They're winning on a reverse walk-off of course!

As I mentioned in the original post, I think they limit Barnes to one batter again if they use him while down. So it's those extra outs they'd have to spread around.
 

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Price for 6+

Hear me out.
1. Almost zero expectations. Short rest, pitching against Verlander etc.
2. In the next to lowest pressure playoff situation possible.
3. On the road, so he won't get booed the 1st time he starts a batter 2-0.

After that, pray for some offensive support, and hope that any Houston frozen ropes head right to our perfectly placed defenders.
 

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For what it's worth, Buster Olney reports that Sale threw today and is "good to go" for Saturday. Also says Eovaldi could come out of the pen tonight if the Sox have a lead, a la Sale in Game 4 against the Yankees.

 

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That's huge news. Now the team can feel pretty good about burning Price/EdRo here without worrying that they might need them in Game 6.