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With a win this Super Bowl, multiple generations of football players in the same football family can have adverse impacts from this run. Ricky Proehl's son, Austin, is currently on the Rams PS. A dynasty was born that night indeed, Ricky.
 

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There's a whole lot of linky goodness on the red sox twitter feed, but this is the best

 

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As some of the replies point out, 6 weeks in a Pats uniform and he's pushing the Patriot way like a born-again Christian.
 

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As some of the replies point out, 6 weeks in a Pats uniform and he's pushing the Patriot way like a born-again Christian.
James definitely has a point that getting the team to believe that it's them vs. everybody is great for motivation. But it's not like they have to make things up to convince people. Patriots vs. everybody is a very real thing.
 
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I read Barnwell's column basically debunking all the Patriot myth's that have built up over the years ("they get all the calls..." etc.) but since Sunday night the one that still has legs is the "Brady gets babied back there" mantra. The roughing the passer call is the catalyst. Willing to be corrected here but, to my mind that was a call that won't get made very often - but - it wasn't an incorrect call. True - the pass rusher's hand/forearm only grazed the front of Brady's helmet but that was pure luck. The purpose of the rule is to prevent reckless or intentional acts that are aimed at a quarterback's head. The fact that contact was minimal is irrelevant - there is no obligation for the quarterback to actually suffer bodily harm. No one is supposed to be able to say "no concussion protocol - no flag". A frustrated lineman took a swipe at Brady's head, and pretty much missed - but it's the act, not the result, that draws the flag. What if it had been a straight out punch? Does Brady pulling away make it any less a personal foul? An inch closer and Brady takes that right on the crown of the helmet - but there is no obligation to actually get the snot beat out of you - the obligation is to keep your hands/arms away from the QB's head. KC has no cause to cry and this is not evidence of Brady getting anything other than the benefit of a correct call.
 

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KC has no cause to cry and this is not evidence of Brady getting anything other than the benefit of a correct call.
There was a very similar hit on Mahomes that wasn’t called. That’s a very big part of it from a KC perspective. The difference is that Mahomes’ helmet didn’t get hit at all while Brady’s did but at full speed the plays are so similar that it’s hard to point to a distinction.
 

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There was a very similar hit on Mahomes that wasn’t called. That’s a very big part of it from a KC perspective. The difference is that Mahomes’ helmet didn’t get hit at all while Brady’s did but at full speed the plays are so similar that it’s hard to point to a distinction.
I do understand the frustration from the Chiefs fan's standpoint - I'm referring more to the reactions of the "ABP's" out there who see this as evidence of a bigger conspiracy rather than as an individual missed or inconsistent call. I can't see this as evidence of anything other than one of those times when a call that is absolutely correct got made in circumstances where sometimes it doesn't. There were plenty of instances where the opposite (no-call) occurred on both sides. Hell, Gronk nearly had his jersey taken off on a couple routes and didn't get a call - and that's just another day at the office for him...
 

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There was a very similar hit on Mahomes that wasn’t called. That’s a very big part of it from a KC perspective. The difference is that Mahomes’ helmet didn’t get hit at all while Brady’s did but at full speed the plays are so similar that it’s hard to point to a distinction.
I understand the frustration. The Mahomes call would have been incorrect as well if they called that as well, two wrongs don’t make a right. I’m a bit surprised on Andy Reid’s sour grapes over calls in public, I thought he was better than that.

The real travesty here is if you’re a Chiefs fan is you allowed the Patriots to run 96 plays.
 

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Is there any way to see Inside the NFL if you're not a Showtime subscriber? I think it used to be rebroadcast on NFLN, but I can't find it.
 

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I have mentioned this before, but throwing out Brady's rookie year on the bench and his knee injury season, if the Pats get to SB 50 then Brady will have made it to the Super Bowl in 50% of his playing seasons. Just astounding.
I was just reading the beginning of this thread because it was started back in 2015 and we've had some events happen since that time. This was from page 1 and the Pats have actually improved on this astounding fact since, assuming "playing seasons" excludes 2008.

Over the course of 17 full, healthy seasons, Tom Brady has been to the Super Bowl more often than he has not.
 

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But we’re not timing anything in this case. We’re just talking about an arbitrarily defined 10-year block of time. And the NFL doesn’t go back to Jesus’ birth, so we don’t have to worry anout absolute zero as in your argument. IMO what matters most is what society thinks of when they say “the 1990s”, and that would certainly not include the 1989 calendar year for most people,

But the NFL has defined it, and they get to do it any way they want because it’s their show.
I’ve been on vacation so forgive my revisiting:
I wasn’t including the 9. As you say: ‘the 90’s’ is from 1/1/90 to 12/31/99.
They included CT.
Fail.
(At least western CT)
 

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Slater said to BB before the coin flip “we want the ball, right?” He knew 99.999999% that they did, but he figured he better ask anyway. Smart of Slater and Bill should have flat out told him. Maybe he was going to.
 

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With a win this Super Bowl, multiple generations of football players in the same football family can have adverse impacts from this run. Ricky Proehl's son, Austin, is currently on the Rams PS. A dynasty was born that night indeed, Ricky.
I want to take this post out to a quiet meal and a romantic visit to the Gardner museum.
 

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With a win this Super Bowl, multiple generations of football players in the same football family can have adverse impacts from this run. Ricky Proehl's son, Austin, is currently on the Rams PS. A dynasty was born that night indeed, Ricky.
That....is absolutely incredible.
 

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Everyone makes mistakes and who knew, etc., but yeeeeeeesh.

I think why I revel in Borges columns from that time period is his asshole persona. He wouldn’t concede for a second he was off/Bill got it right.

Speaking of which, where is Borges at?
 

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It’s horrible because he’s condescending and belittles the opinions of those who might have thought Brady was a better option. I was a Drew guy through and through, but Brady’s performance had me reconsidering, at the very least there was no reason to be a dick about it. Borges is just a bitter jackhole who doubled down again and again rather than ever admit he was wrong.
 

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Everyone makes mistakes and who knew, etc., but yeeeeeeesh.

I think why I revel in Borges columns from that time period is his asshole persona. He wouldn’t concede for a second he was off/Bill got it right.

Speaking of which, where is Borges at?
Yeah, there was no hedging. He didn’t say “maybe someday” he said “not ever”.
 
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I love Aikman’s “Oh my God!” when they watch the replay of Edelman’s catch. It is easily one of my favorite sports calls.
I am completely with you on that. My favorite Aikman moment. Thinking along with us, and seemed totally sincere. (As he should, it was an INSANE bit of keeping your eye on the ball.)
 

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Madden: What Tom Brady just did gave me goosebumps
Madden gets a lot of grief for his saying that he thought the Pats should have kneeled on the ball and played for overtime and I wasn’t much of a fan of his. But in rewatching the game the other day I was struck that his commentary was spot on from the first frame of that broadcast.

He said that to win the Patriots had to score points on defense (they did), win on special teams (they did), and do well on TOP on offense to keep the ball out of Warner’s hands (they did). There was a surprising lack of Ram ballwashing given the spread.

During the game itself, he nailed that Vrabel’s sack was the first blitz of the game and repeatedly praised Brady’s ability to keep his cool and win the field position battle. Even with the OT thing he immediately backed down from it after the second JR Redmond catch. Dude was money.
 

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Madden gets a lot of grief for his saying that he thought the Pats should have kneeled on the ball and played for overtime and I wasn’t much of a fan of his. But in rewatching the game the other day I was struck that his commentary was spot on from the first frame of that broadcast.

He said that to win the Patriots had to score points on defense (they did), win on special teams (they did), and do well on TOP on offense to keep the ball out of Warner’s hands (they did). There was a surprising lack of Ram ballwashing given the spread.

During the game itself, he nailed that Vrabel’s sack was the first blitz of the game and repeatedly praised Brady’s ability to keep his cool and win the field position battle. Even with the OT thing he immediately backed down from it after the second JR Redmond catch. Dude was money.
Madden also said during that telecast that Belichick told them the Pats defense had to rough up the Rams WRs and backs coming out of the backfield to have a chance to win. They sure did that. Just think, any other coach but Belichick and Kurt Warner would have 2 rings.
 

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Madden also said during that telecast that Belichick told them the Pats defense had to rough up the Rams WRs and backs coming out of the backfield to have a chance to win. They sure did that. Just think, any other coach but Belichick and Kurt Warner would have 2 rings.
What would be wrong with Warner having two rings? He went to three Super Bowls, won one and could have won the other two. His path to the NFL was unusual so he doesn’t have the career numbers that other QBs have but at his peak he was the best in the game. He wouldn’t be close to the worst QB with two Super Bowl titles.