Kemba Walker to Boston
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Its been spelled out upthread. The guy is the franchise's only star and their most popular player. You aren't wrong though - Charlotte has a very tough decision here.
I am willing to bet that if Walker is actually considering Boston, Horford knew about it long before Woj posted it to Twitter.
No, because they need to renounce Horford to sign Kemba. There is no possible way to sign them both (unless Al wanted to sign for the minimum or something crazy like that).
they need to give up his bird rights to sign kemba, so unless he wants to take 1 year 4-5m or they somehow traded hayward to a team with a ton of cap space, no
The thing is that's not Woj's style, he's not a Windhorst type. His whole brand is getting the scoop and getting it right. If he's hearing this then it's what's happening, unless something changes demonstrably.
Further, Kemba was in France with MJ (and Jaylen) this past weekend:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BzA8uo_ggA5/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
If things were going to come together or fall apart, it probably would've happened after Kemba and MJ were together all weekend, right? Obviously this is just speculation, but it makes sense to my brain.
Nothing is done until the ink is dry, but Woj doesn't drop flippant bombs.
Isn't it also possible Kemba just straight up told them that he wants to go elsewhere because he doesn't see a realistic path to contention for Charlotte anytime soon? I realize we haven't seen any specific evidence of that but that may just be because Kemba, unlike Kyrie, is respectful enough to keep those discussions/decisions between himself and Charlotte.
Start selling off expiring contracts like Biyombo, Williams, and Batum(PO for 2020 as well) for whatever draft capital they can get. Some of these guys are untradeable but do what you can. Like you said, they aren't winning either way and they need a total reboot.
Can’t they stay over the cap and execute S&Ts for both Horford and Kyrie? Then use those TPEs to S&T for Kemba and Vuc? A lot of financial gymnastics there, but Ainge and Zarren are excellent with the cap/CBA rules. If not both, I fully expect one of those players to be S&T so they can stay over the cap, get Kemba and then sign or trade Rozier, Morris, and/or Theis.
You'd have to attach picks to those guys to move them. Those are toxic salaries. You can reboot with Kemba, too. Mitch Kupchak isn't stupid; I'm sure they are wavering on offering him a big contract, which has opened the door for Boston. That being said they aren't just going to throw their hands up in the air and let him walk for nothing because they're already bad. Teams don't operate that way.
Yes, but the chances of that happening are as high as pairing myself and Kemba together.
Agree. but I'm salting up my hat if he signs here
Boston wouldn't leak this, has to be Kemba's agent
Even if they could pull of these financial gymnastics, and there would be a whole lot of hoops there, they'd be hard capped at the apron for receiving a player in sign-and trade. No realistic way to stay under the apron while getting Vuc and Kemba with Hayward/Smart/Tatum/Jaylen still on the roster.
Why would Brooklyn agree to a S&T? They can get Kyrie for "just money." And presumably the same would be true of any team that wants Al (and if a team that wants Al is over the cap, there would be no possibility of a TPE even with a S&T because they would need to match salaries).
Edit: and I forgot about the hard cap point that @mcpickl just made.
Per @stephenasmith, the #Hornets offered Kemba Walker 5 years and around $160 million, which is well shy of the supermax option, and he informed Charlotte he won’t be returning. #Celtics expected to sign the 3-time All-Star.
https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/1144304527904059392
https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/1144304527904059392
Glenn Ordway is supposed to be a knowledgeable basketball guy right? He just said some of the dumbest stuff ever to open today’s show regarding the Kemba Celtics issue. Omg
If true that's not even the regular max they could offer, probably something like 5-185, never mind the super, can't believe they never explored trading him if that's their real best offer
He started off with the Kemba rumor and said he’s confused as the Celtics will basically have traded Kyrie and Horford and others for Kemba. Merloni had to point out that Danny did no such thing; that Kyrie and Al LEFT and now Danny is working from this point on.
I didn’t see much of Charlotte this season, but I did watch their final regular-season game. The fans treated it as Kemba’s farewell. So I presume they will mostly be unsurprised by the latest news.
The only reason I can think of for not trading Kemba is that the Hornets are planning to tank and didn’t think the return for Kemba would justify assuming contractual obligations for 2019-20 and beyond (which would have presumably been necessary to make any deal work cap-wise).
Ordway's comments do not surprise me.
He routinely takes strong positions and dismisses all sensible counter arguments without much thought.
He routinely takes strong positions and dismisses all sensible counter arguments without much thought.
Wait so you don't trade a guy because your plan is to ask him to take less money to stay on your capped out team with no talent and no plan? I mean this isn't even a slightly more than anyone else deal. All he needs to beat this deal is to make 19M in the first year of his next deal, which is barring catastrophic injury he will. And that doesn't even take into account things like getting into a bigger market and more promising team. CHA is arguably the dumbest team in the league, the Knicks may fail, but at least their plans are make sense
He was only making $12m last year, they could have easily dealt him for at least one really nice asset without taking any terrible contracts back
I would have assumed he learned a bit calling the Celtics games on radio all those years.
So if Kemba really is coming, then the Celts would have the room exception to get a big, right. Who do we like for 4.7?
FA bigs include:
Looney
Robin Lopez
Zaza
Valancuianis
Kosta Koufous
Kyle O'Quinn
JaMychal Green
Tyson Chandler
Javale
Taj Gibson
Vonleh
FA bigs include:
Looney
Robin Lopez
Zaza
Valancuianis
Kosta Koufous
Kyle O'Quinn
JaMychal Green
Tyson Chandler
Javale
Taj Gibson
Vonleh
Exactly, at $12MM last season Kemba could have snagged Charlotte some sweet assets at the trade deadline. Lamb at $7MM also.
Yikes, this is some serious NBA management malpractice
Thomas Bryant is a RFA that the Celtics have been tied to
Potential trade candidates/targets: Capela, Sabonis, Turner
Noel's a Klutch client and he opted out at the same time AD waived his trade clause and LAL dumped their remaining contracts. I'd be willing to bet he ends up with the Lakers.
I’ve long been a Taj Gibson fan, but all he has left is hard work & savvy. He had good numbers last season in Minny, but only at 24min/game for 70 games. Gibson is at the point where he needs the work load dialed down to maintain the productivity, especially if you’re planning a playoff run. Great back up signing. If he’s the starter, we’ll see way too much Time Lord.
Washburn/Globe: "If the Hornets re-sign one of the greatest players in franchise history to a super max contract — Walker is eligible for a five-year, $221 million deal — it could cripple the team’s salary cap in coming years and curtail its ability to compete. Or the Hornets could allow Walker to leave and become part of another rebuild with another team.
Even if Walker signs with the Celtics, the Hornets won’t even have much cap flexibility because of the other poor contracts on their payroll. So the motivation for Walker to re-sign is loyalty and money, not necessarily winning."
Seriously. The possible is always possible. I don't get that poster. Ever. At all.
Thanks. As always, you can be depended on for criticisms and pile-ons without ever contributing any actual content.
And yes, Walker coming to Boston is indeed possible. The thread title has changed a bit but some of the early posts were pretty definitive that this transaction is happening.
I was in the pump the brakes crowd initially too, but Woj doesn’t break out “focused on each other” lightly. Kemba not signing in Boston would be equivalent to him getting the story wrong after reporting definitively.
Which has happened to him, but it’s rare.
(Let's also take a moment and acknowledge how bizarre being an NBA fan is, in a fun way. Dedicated fans (most here) know the broad outlines of an intricate collective bargaining agreement, can tell you a player's salary within a couple million off the top of their heads, and find it odd that someone wouldn't the code words a particular reporter uses for free agent and draft transactions).
Kemba on supermax is not a trade-able asset.
The mistake was not trading Kemba last year, not letting him go here.
Color me skeptical on Kemba. They Celtics didn't want to back the Brinks truck up for pre-injury IT, but they're going to do it for Walker?
Is this a situation where Ainge is just trying to recover from losing Kyrie for no compensation? Or is Kemba really a top 15-20 player who has a chance to stay that elite for another three or four years?
Is this a situation where Ainge is just trying to recover from losing Kyrie for no compensation? Or is Kemba really a top 15-20 player who has a chance to stay that elite for another three or four years?