AFC NORTH FOOTBAW.From the one video I saw, didn't look like Rudolph was a saint at the end of the game either. It looked like as they were on the ground he was trying to pull Garrett's helmet off before Garrett pulled his helmet off. Not excusing Garrett in any way - just seemed like a lot of bad behavior going around. I didn't watch the game, was it a very rough game for some reason? Why so much bad blood at the end?
You were correct . 3 games(i also think pouncey deserves at least 3 games for kicking garrett in the head while he was being held down by decastro, but he'll probably get less).
Vehement Instant Reaction Syndrome ... there was even a post in here somewhere that he should be suspended for life and denied his pensionI see the rest of the year, but I fall short of the idea Garrett is the worst ever, etc. It was perfect storm of idiocy. He was mixed up after the ball was gone, his fault, but Rudolph tried to get Garrett's helmet off. That is where it went off the rails. He responded in kind, but got his opponent's helmet off. Hitting with the helmet is a clear no no, but how often do you have a helmet in your hand when a guy comes at you.
To me if the video can clearly show Rudolph was trying to get off Garrett's helmet that is a fine or maybe a suspension.
I am not with those that say kicking Garrett was understandable.
I think when one watches the entire play, keeping in mind it was a two-touchdown lead with under ten seconds left in the game, it is easier to see that Garrett went overboard from the moment he began his tackle of Rudolph. This game was 100% over and Garrett yanks Rudolph to the ground and doesn't let him go to the point the Rudolph does get pissed and starts pushing back and pulling on his helmet. Fair enough, I suppose, for Garrett to pull back on Rudolph's helmet, but not to the extent with which he did. Garrett pulled Rudolph a few feet by his face mask before even being able to remove the helmet. Rudolph, of course, took exception and kept going after him and the rest is history. Garrett had a number of steps with DeCastro between him to drop the helmet and make a sane choice. He did not.From the one video I saw, didn't look like Rudolph was a saint at the end of the game either. It looked like as they were on the ground he was trying to pull Garrett's helmet off before Garrett pulled his helmet off. Not excusing Garrett in any way - just seemed like a lot of bad behavior going around. I didn't watch the game, was it a very rough game for some reason? Why so much bad blood at the end?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O_aTOSoiTsI didn't watch the game, was it a very rough game for some reason? Why so much bad blood at the end?
I still don't get why the Steelers are calling a pass play in that situation. It was an amped-up, aggressive game. The Browns were clearly trying to show that they weren't going to be pushed around, trying to make a statement. Given the field/clock situation, hand the ball off, run out the final seconds and everyone goes home.I think when one watches the entire play, keeping in mind it was a two-touchdown lead with under ten seconds left in the game, it is easier to see that Garrett went overboard from the moment he began his tackle of Rudolph. This game was 100% over ...
This sounds an awful lot like blaming the victim. It's borderline saying "she asked for it".I still don't get why the Steelers are calling a pass play in that situation. It was an amped-up, aggressive game. The Browns were clearly trying to show that they weren't going to be pushed around, trying to make a statement. Given the field/clock situation, hand the ball off, run out the final seconds and everyone goes home.
I know it doesn't matter now and the subject is different. But Garrett doesn't even send Rudolph to the ground initially if the Steelers just let the clock go
If you'd read all the posts i've made since it happened, you'd know it's not ... but instant reactions are all the rage, so whateverThis sounds an awful lot like blaming the victim. It's borderline saying "she asked for it".
Edit: I'd be more inclined to agree if the teams were reversed - if the Browns were throwing the ball up multiple scores with 10 seconds left, I could at least understand why the Steelers would be pissed off and throw a cheap shot, even if it was wrong.
Yeah, teams do stupid / weird things all the time. Like run draw plays from their own 20 right before the half. Maybe just trying to get a rep for a young QB.If you'd read all the posts i've made since it happened, you'd know it's not ... but instant reactions are all the rage, so whatever
I'm just asking from a football standpoint. Why the pass? It made no sense and, in an alternate reality, would have avoided this mess
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Pouncey got 3 gamesWhat about the guy kicking Garrett at the end? That seemed even worse to me than Garrett's helmet swing.
I get your point, why let them run your QB? Even kneel down.If you'd read all the posts i've made since it happened, you'd know it's not ... but instant reactions are all the rage, so whatever
I'm just asking from a football standpoint. Why the pass? It made no sense and, in an alternate reality, would have avoided this mess
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I can see why you don't kneel, though; that's capitulation, and in the football mentality, that's not going to fly. But a simple off-tackle run by a backup running back accomplishes the same thing without any sense of metaphorI get your point, why let them run your QB? Even kneel down.
One of the better developments in hoops is the new unwritten rule about dribbling the clock out. So many dustups started with guys drilling people at the end of the game, or trash talking some garbage time hoop.
The players sign up for a rough sport that could paralyze them like Ryan Shazier. As part of that, even after the whistle, there's a lot of pushing and shoving. Sometimes there are cheap shots, sometimes someone tries to rough up a QB and the linemen protect him. All of that can be rough, without it involving non-game action that's truly risky to life and limb.That doesn't excuse Rudolph's action initially when he appeared to be pulling at Myles' helmet while on the ground nor going after him again once his helmet was off (although I'm not really sure how much of a threat he posed with no helmet, he was outsized by an exponential amount and his giant offensive lineman was between the two of them), but that shit happens like all the time. Garrett's reaction to lift him off the ground, violently rip his helmet off, and then swing it like a sledge hammer are way, way off the spectrum of what happens in these situations. Almost every former player I've seen has basically said the same thing "once the helmet comes off, folks generally calm down because everyone realizes careers are on the line...."
Wait, what? Kicking a guy wearing a helmet in the head (after said guy hit your QB in the head with a helmet) is worse than hitting a guy in his uncovered head with his own helmet? Pouncey deserves a suspension, but saying that is worse might be the dumbest take I have read about this whole situation.What about the guy kicking Garrett at the end? That seemed even worse to me than Garrett's helmet swing.
Idiots.Also, Pittsburgh fans have apparently started a GoFundMe to reimburse him money lost.
Brady would never get into something like this but I feel like Mankins would have gone nuts on someone had they did what Garrett did to TB12.The Pouncey name carries a certain reputation, but I honestly can't say I blame him for losing his mind.
I think I'd go 16 games total for Garrett. I would have been fine with throwing a game at Rudolph too, but that is insane.
Technically, Rudolph “went nuts” first.Brady would never get into something like this but I feel like Mankins would have gone nuts on someone had they did what Garrett did to TB12.
Yes. I was really limiting that to sports infractions, but your larger point stands.If intentions were all that mattered, attempted murder would be punished the same as murder murder.
I never understood why a player injuring another flagrantly isn’t forced to sit out as much time as the guy he hurt. Obviously wouldn’t apply here, but seems an easy and fair way to tether punishment to crime.Yes. I was really limiting that to sports infractions, but your larger point stands.
Garrett didn't get anything worse (for now) because Rudolph didn't get that seriously hurt. But it could have been a lot worse. If Garrett does get charged and pleas out he's getting more, I think that's why they opted to suspend him indefinitely rather than just to the end of the season.Though I feel like showering anytime I give them credit for anything, I think the league got this right. There is simply no justification for what Garrett did, and he deserved a long suspension, but I don' think the punishment needed to be the end of his career. And really don't think criminal charges are warranted either. Ideally, intentions would be all that matter. But in reality, outcomes probably matter more. The fact that Rudolph came away basically unscathed is a significant mitigating factor. I also think the other suspensions are fair and reasonable, and a fine for Rudolph's role in this seems about right. So, blind squirrel, broken clock twice a day, etc.
I agree. I wonder if that's not possible due to CBA provisions on player discipline, and if so, seems like something that could/should be negotiated.I never understood why a player injuring another flagrantly isn’t forced to sit out as much time as the guy he hurt. Obviously wouldn’t apply here, but seems an easy and fair way to tether punishment to crime.
Could very well be. Though I suspect ultimately Rudolph opts not to file a criminal complaint (though obviously charges could be filed absent that).Garrett didn't get anything worse (for now) because Rudolph didn't get that seriously hurt. But it could have been a lot worse. If Garrett does get charged and pleas out he's getting more, I think that's why they opted to suspend him indefinitely rather than just to the end of the season.
Because think how easily it could (and would) be gamed... no way you could let that angle come into play.I agree. I wonder if that's not possible due to CBA provisions on player discipline, and if so, seems like something that could/should be negotiated.
Couldn't some sort of provision requiring credible, independent medical verification of the injury in question be a possibility?Because think how easily it could (and would) be gamed... no way you could let that angle come into play.
Yeah I’m not seeing the issue. If a star play concusses a crappy player on a rival team, the injured player is going to be okay faking hurt longer just to shelf the all star?Couldn't some sort of provision requiring credible, independent medical verification of the injury in question be a possibility?
Well think of the Gronk hit on the Bills player where they played again three weeks laterYeah I’m not seeing the issue. If a star play concusses a crappy player on a rival team, the injured player is going to be okay faking hurt longer just to shelf the all star?
I don’t think a dude grows up to be a pro athlete then sits quietly when a coach or GM tells him to sit out a game with a faked injury because the player who hurt him is better. They have a union and press contacts.Well think of the Gronk hit on the Bills player where they played again three weeks later