Grade 3 sprain for Hayward. Out 4 weeks.
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Celtics/Sixers First Round Thread
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I know you were with me on both the Thybulle and Clarke trains prior to the draft last year (the 2019 Draft thread is a fun read, in hindsight), and as much as I'd like to take a victory lap or two, it's important to remember that those guys are basically Jaylen Brown's age. They should be some of the better rookies! Clarke is nearly two years older than Grant Williams, who came out after his junior year. They're significantly closer to their ceilings than Grant and certainly Romeo, and for a guy like Thybulle, who can't even really put the ball on the floor sufficient to attack a hard close out, or pass on the move, that's a huge limitation that saps a lot of the defensive value he brings.
I also just think a lot of people here tend to give up on young guys too soon. I heard Bill Simmons say something to the effect of "the Celtics got nothing out of this draft", and that drives me nuts. It's such a hard adjustment from college to the NBA. The guys who can actually come in and make a positive impact for a winning team, like Tatum, are usually on a stardom trajectory. For everyone else, there's hopefully some flashes, but typically not much else, especially for a team that's competing night in, night out. Second rounders who don't flash are less likely to stay with the team that drafted them, but even then, guys like Abdel Nader, PJ Dozier and E'Twaun Moore played meaningful minutes for playoff caliber teams this year. Time + effort + opportunity can change a lot of things. Carsen's been terrible and may not be long for green, but his story isn't written yet. I'm still bullish on what Grant can provide for this team, and Romeo's flashes, particularly on defense, have been encouraging.
That injury probably means GH returns for his final year of that big FA contract, unless he and his agent feel that he has shown enough to get paid big again. The idea of a Hayward is great, but he just can’t stay in the court and play at a high level for long periods of time.
No it doesn't. You need a new calendar. Four weeks is 9/15. As of now the ECF are slated to start on or about 9/15. With his wife is due in early-mid Sep anyway--chance the final week or of his recovery is about that same time.
If he comes back in 4 weeks, this costs us the remaining Sixers series, and the next round.
I don't disagree with you, but both of his injuries have been totally freak things. I agree that this makes it much less likely he opts out.
When is his wife due? Wasn't it late September anyway? So combining that with this injury seems like he's done for the year. I don't agree this destroys the Celtics' chances, though - Hayward is a nice piece to have, to be sure, but I think this team is capable of success without him.
Ok so game 3 or 4 of the conference finals. If he plays at all in the beginning of the round he will be limited.
Well, I mean, that's different things. All we have now is 4 weeks. That puts him back at start of ECF, not 6 or 7 games in. And were going to lose him for week or so somewhere anyway. No we just have to hope they overlap and he comes back ready.
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That sucks-a shorter rotation comes a little too early. CBS has to juggle and hope he gets bigger contributions and minutes from Smart Theis Semi and GW
The Celtics have the best player on the floor in the Philly series. They'll have the best player on the floor until they reach the ECF.
This news sucks for Hayward and the C's, but time will tell. I don't wish ill on other teams--the Lakers are an exception, obviously--but Hayward may not be the last prominent NBA player sidelined by an injury or for medical reasons during these playoffs. The Sixers lost Simmons before the regular season even ended, which was a major break for the C's.
This is really well put and Grant gave us a couple of good minutes last night as a small-ball 5
Kemba/Smart/JB/JT will have to increase their minutes and we'll see more of Romeo, Semi and Wannamaker depending on match-ups
Yeah, their hopes now revolve around Tatum leaping into a top-10 guy during the playoffs, Brown outplaying Siakam, and Kemba’s knee staying good.
Not a crazy tall order, but not a ton of margin for error.
The X factor here is actually Stevens. He and his staff will have wrinkles because they always do. As others have noted, their bench depth is crappy (oh, how someone like Alec Burks would be welcome here now) but Stevens approach to roster development is well documented.
Again, I think we see him steal minutes with Javonte Green because of his defense and his ability to get his own shot at the rim. I bet we see him when Embiid is off the floor but as lovetgm notes, his lack of shooting limits his usefulness.
You really can never have too much wing depth...
Again, I think we see him steal minutes with Javonte Green because of his defense and his ability to get his own shot at the rim. I bet we see him when Embiid is off the floor but as lovetgm notes, his lack of shooting limits his usefulness.
You really can never have too much wing depth...
Wherefore art thou, Romeo?
Burks' shortcomings as a starter were evident last nite, but he's a proven scorer off the bench.
Yeah Burks' is nothing but bench offense as you note. Romeo is the natural guy to take some Hayward minutes but he is even more of a void on offense than Green before accounting for his wrist.
I like last year's draft selections - I even think Edwards needs more opportunities before you can write him off - but Williams development aside, the Celtics simply aren't getting much out of these guys this season. Its a lot to ask but it would have been nice if any one of these guys already had the ability to reliably hit open looks.
I was talking with a buddy about this, would you rather have: Semi, a guy who takes shots, but can make them if he's on in a given night OR Romeo, a guy who basically never shoots and keeps the ball moving to superior offensive players or just sits in the corner (not stealing shots). I guess it depends on how the defense is playing them?
Yup, since 2/1 (our last regular season game with the Sixers) he's basically been Kevin Durant on offense (27.2 ppg and .614 TS%) and Shawn Marion on defense (borderline 2nd team level, can reasonably slow down almost anyone and is a monster off ball). If he plays like this all next season he's essentially a lock for 2nd team all NBA with a punchers chance of 1st team.
I would side with Semi. For all his flaws, at least he's played on this stage before, and I don't think he'd suffer from nerves or jitters. He's just so limited.
I think they'll give you similar things on offense - Semi might be slightly better at hitting the corner 3 but Romeo is actually capable of driving and making something good happen in the paint. The deciding factor is defense, where both are pretty solid. Romeo is better against guards and Semi is better against big wings, so it's really matchup based. Semi is less likely to make an impact, for good or bad.
Yeah. She is great and she also puts up the game threads for CelticStrong, which are impressive.
So we're locked into the 30% max, pretty much, huh? Like, even if he doesn't make 3rd team this offseason, he'd sign a contract with escalators to get there if it happens in his 4th year?
I almost threw up in my mouth just reading this sentence, imagining his next "drive" to the basket.
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Who are the nine better wings? In any event he would sign the Simmons five year extension which would go on the books as a designated rookie deal presuming he met the qualifiers (which he will this season). Given the likely cap implosion, Boston should be praying that Tatum makes it and that they get to lock him in on a 30% deal for less than Denver will be paying Murray.
Semi is still one dimensional, but he has shown some signs this season that he can make a successful drive to the hoop.
Yeah I don't think he's hopeless, and I'm even cautiously optimistic that his 12-20 mins/night through the playoffs will be ok-ish. He definitely needs a lot more reps though; Semi would have had an interesting career arc as a guy who went to play 5 years in Europe, and then came back to the US with confidence in his decision-making with the ball on the deck.
He's showing some signs, yeah, but nobody is frightened by it and respects it.
Drivers create an advantage that we cash in when Semi bangs that shot. But Semi gives it back when they sell out on the contest and he takes two dribbles in and swings it. If Semi can learn to pick up more fouls at the rim, it would make a huge difference. Morris and Crowder did kind of.
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So do you start Marcus Smart or keep him in his bench role(while still playing 30 plus minutes) and start someone like Ojeleye or even Grant Williams if Horford is still in the starting lineup?
Probably start Marcus, since they’ve done that consistently and it’s the only way you can really get him to 38 minutes or so.
You could start Semi, but spacing will be destroyed if you start Grant next to Theis.
Yeah. I love Grant, but at this stage he really doesn't give you anything that Semi doesn't. And Semi gives you the three. Grants incremental strength and possible minor standing reach upgrades aren't material.
Strongly disagree about the difference. Grant's interior defense and shot contesting abilities are already above average for his size I would say. Semi is historically bad at contesting shots. Like one of the worst ever. They are pretty non-similar styles defensively.
Yikes, Grant has nearly triple the career blocks the Semi has (36/13) despite playing about a third of the minutes. Better steal rate, better passer, better on the boards, better screen-setter. But when looking strictly at how they perform in their respective roles, Semi’s probably the choice in most instances. Grant’s a better player when things break down, and I think he’ll be a better player overall soon enough, but Semi is the more reliable piece now.
In 10 minutes of action in a playoff game, what you'll remember about the A/B test of Grant vs. Semi is that Grant hurts spacing.
They're both useful defenders. And Grant is clearly longer and stronger. But Semi having a 3 ball is a shitload more important right now.
They're both useful defenders. And Grant is clearly longer and stronger. But Semi having a 3 ball is a shitload more important right now.
Just cause I love lists.
Giannis, AD, Lebron, Kawhi, Harden, Luka, Jokic, Lillard, Steph, Durant
