Grade 3 sprain for Hayward. Out 4 weeks.
View: https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1295771189327982592
View: https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1295771189327982592
I guess I’m more Thybullish on him than you guys...
(ducks)
I don’t see another Bruce Bowen here but I see a 10 year career as the primary wing defender off the bench. Hopefully we can get lucky with #30 because Edwards looks like a complete waste.
No it doesn't. You need a new calendar. Four weeks is 9/15. As of now the ECF are slated to start on or about 9/15. With his wife is due in early-mid Sep anyway--chance the final week or of his recovery is about that same time.Well, there go the Celtic’s chances. That brings him back sometime around game 6 or 7 of the conference finals.
I don't disagree with you, but both of his injuries have been totally freak things. I agree that this makes it much less likely he opts out.That injury probably means GH returns for his final year of that big FA contract, unless he and his agent feel that he has shown enough to get paid big again. The idea of a Hayward is great, but he just can’t stay in the court and play at a high level for long periods of time.
Ok so game 3 or 4 of the conference finals. If he plays at all in the beginning of the round he will be limited.No it doesn't. You need a new calendar. Four weeks is 9/15. As of now the ECF are slated to start on or about 9/15. With his wife is due in early-mid Sep anyway--chance the final week or of his recovery is about that same time.
If he comes back in 4 weeks, this costs us the remaining Sixers series, and the next round.
Well, I mean, that's different things. All we have now is 4 weeks. That puts him back at start of ECF, not 6 or 7 games in. And were going to lose him for week or so somewhere anyway. No we just have to hope they overlap and he comes back ready.Ok so game 3 or 4 of the conference finals. If he plays at all in the beginning of the round he will be limited.
Why are you assuming his tenure with the Celtics is over?Not going to blame a guy for freak injuries but his tenure with the Celtics was kind of a dud.
The Celtics have the best player on the floor in the Philly series. They'll have the best player on the floor until they reach the ECF.The starter depth is good: Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Kemba, and Smart are a difficult matchup for many teams. If one of them is hurt or having an off night, the others can often step up. The Celtics don't have the best player on the floor against Philly, but they likely have the 2nd through 5th or 6th best players. I think that is what people mean when they say the C's are deeper than other teams.
This is really well put and Grant gave us a couple of good minutes last night as a small-ball 5Time + effort + opportunity can change a lot of things. Carsen's been terrible and may not be long for green, but his story isn't written yet. I'm still bullish on what Grant can provide for this team, and Romeo's flashes, particularly on defense, have been encouraging.
Yeah, their hopes now revolve around Tatum leaping into a top-10 guy during the playoffs, Brown outplaying Siakam, and Kemba’s knee staying good.The Celtics have the best player on the floor in the Philly series. They'll have the best player on the floor until they reach the ECF.
Wherefore art thou, Romeo?The X factor here is actually Stevens. He and his staff will have wrinkles because they always do. As others have noted, their bench depth is crappy (oh, how someone like Alec Burks would be welcome here now) but Stevens' approach to roster development is well documented.
Again, I think we see him steal minutes with Javonte Green because of his defense and his ability to get his own shot at the rim. I bet we see him when Embiid is off the floor but as lovetgm notes, his lack of shooting limits his usefulness.
You really can never have too much wing depth...
Yeah Burks' is nothing but bench offense as you note. Romeo is the natural guy to take some Hayward minutes but he is even more of a void on offense than Green before accounting for his wrist.Wherefore art thou, Romeo?
Burks' shortcomings as a starter were evident last nite, but he's a proven scorer off the bench.
I was talking with a buddy about this, would you rather have: Semi, a guy who takes shots, but can make them if he's on in a given night OR Romeo, a guy who basically never shoots and keeps the ball moving to superior offensive players or just sits in the corner (not stealing shots). I guess it depends on how the defense is playing them?Yeah Burks' is nothing but bench offense as you note. Romeo is the natural guy to take some Hayward minutes but he is even more of a void on offense than Green before accounting for his wrist.
I like last year's draft selections - I even think Edwards needs more opportunities before you can write him off - but Williams development aside, the Celtics simply aren't getting much out of these guys this season. Its a lot to ask but it would have been nice if any one of these guys already had the ability to reliably hit open looks.
Yup, since 2/1 (our last regular season game with the Sixers) he's basically been Kevin Durant on offense (27.2 ppg and .614 TS%) and Shawn Marion on defense (borderline 2nd team level, can reasonably slow down almost anyone and is a monster off ball). If he plays like this all next season he's essentially a lock for 2nd team all NBA with a punchers chance of 1st team.Tatum's already a top ten guy. The question is how quickly he morphs into a top five one.
I would side with Semi. For all his flaws, at least he's played on this stage before, and I don't think he'd suffer from nerves or jitters. He's just so limited.I was talking with a buddy about this, would you rather have: Semi, a guy who takes shots, but can make them if he's on in a given night OR Romeo, a guy who basically never shoots and keeps the ball moving to superior offensive players or just sits in the corner (not stealing shots). I guess it depends on how the defense is playing them?
I think they'll give you similar things on offense - Semi might be slightly better at hitting the corner 3 but Romeo is actually capable of driving and making something good happen in the paint. The deciding factor is defense, where both are pretty solid. Romeo is better against guards and Semi is better against big wings, so it's really matchup based. Semi is less likely to make an impact, for good or bad.I was talking with a buddy about this, would you rather have: Semi, a guy who takes shots, but can make them if he's on in a given night OR Romeo, a guy who basically never shoots and keeps the ball moving to superior offensive players or just sits in the corner (not stealing shots). I guess it depends on how the defense is playing them?
And they may still then if Milwaukee implodes.The Celtics have the best player on the floor in the Philly series. They'll have the best player on the floor until they reach the ECF.
Yeah. She is great and she also puts up the game threads for CelticStrong, which are impressive.For those of you who enjoy schadenfreude, Comments from the Other Side is up on Celticsgreen. Thank you FLCeltsFan.
So we're locked into the 30% max, pretty much, huh? Like, even if he doesn't make 3rd team this offseason, he'd sign a contract with escalators to get there if it happens in his 4th year?Yup, since 2/1 (our last regular season game with the Sixers) he's basically been Kevin Durant on offense (27.2 ppg and .614 TS%) and Shawn Marion on defense (borderline 2nd team level, can reasonably slow down almost anyone and is a monster off ball). If he plays like this all next season he's essentially a lock for 2nd team all NBA with a punchers chance of 1st team.
I almost threw up in my mouth just reading this sentence, imagining his next "drive" to the basket.Semi's problem isn't the shot; he's a decent shooter who doesn't hesitate. It's what happens when you sell out to close him out, and he has to put it on the floor and make decisions.
Who are the nine better wings? In any event he would sign the Simmons five year extension which would go on the books as a designated rookie deal presuming he met the qualifiers (which he will this season). Given the likely cap implosion, Boston should be praying that Tatum makes it and that they get to lock him in on a 30% deal for less than Denver will be paying Murray.So we're locked into the 30% max, pretty much, huh? Like, even if he doesn't make 3rd team this offseason, he'd sign a contract with escalators to get there if it happens in his 4th year?
He’s exploring the studio space, my friend.I almost threw up in my mouth just reading this sentence, imaging his next "drive" to the basket.
Semi is still one dimensional, but he has shown some signs this season that he can make a successful drive to the hoop.I almost threw up in my mouth just reading this sentence, imagining his next "drive" to the basket.
Yeah I don't think he's hopeless, and I'm even cautiously optimistic that his 12-20 mins/night through the playoffs will be ok-ish. He definitely needs a lot more reps though; Semi would have had an interesting career arc as a guy who went to play 5 years in Europe, and then came back to the US with confidence in his decision-making with the ball on the deck.Semi is still one dimensional, but he has shown some signs this season that he can make a successful drive to the hoop.
He's showing some signs, yeah, but nobody is frightened by it and respects it.Semi is still one dimensional, but he has shown some signs this season that he can make a successful drive to the hoop.
Probably start Marcus, since they’ve done that consistently and it’s the only way you can really get him to 38 minutes or so.So do you start Marcus Smart or keep him in his bench role(while still playing 30 plus minutes) and start someone like Ojeleye or even Grant Williams if Horford is still in the starting lineup?
Defensively, Grant may work so that Horford can't bully his way into the lane.Probably start Marcus, since they’ve done that consistently and it’s the only way you can really get him to 38 minutes or so.
You could start Semi, but spacing will be destroyed if you start Grant next to Theis.
You’d do Semi in that case to keep some spacing.Defensively, Grant may work so that Horford can't bully his way into the lane.
Yeah. I love Grant, but at this stage he really doesn't give you anything that Semi doesn't. And Semi gives you the three. Grants incremental strength and possible minor standing reach upgrades aren't material.You’d do Semi in that case to keep some spacing.
Strongly disagree about the difference. Grant's interior defense and shot contesting abilities are already above average for his size I would say. Semi is historically bad at contesting shots. Like one of the worst ever. They are pretty non-similar styles defensively.Yeah. I love Grant, but at this stage he really doesn't give you anything that Semi doesn't. And Semi gives you the three. Grants incremental strength and possible minor standing reach upgrades aren't material.
Yikes, Grant has nearly triple the career blocks the Semi has (36/13) despite playing about a third of the minutes. Better steal rate, better passer, better on the boards, better screen-setter. But when looking strictly at how they perform in their respective roles, Semi’s probably the choice in most instances. Grant’s a better player when things break down, and I think he’ll be a better player overall soon enough, but Semi is the more reliable piece now.Strongly disagree about the difference. Grant's interior defense and shot contesting abilities are already above average for his size I would say. Semi is historically bad at contesting shots. Like one of the worst ever. They are pretty non-similar styles defensively.
Just cause I love lists.Tatum's already a top ten guy. The question is how quickly he morphs into a top five one.
Does Tatum slide into the top ten with Durant not playing this year?Just cause I love lists.
Giannis, AD, Lebron, Kawhi, Harden, Luka, Jokic, Lillard, Steph, Durant
Two guys on that list aren't playing this year. Kinda proves nighthob's point.Does Tatum slide into the top ten with Durant not playing this year?
With or without Durant, JT is top 10 nowDoes Tatum slide into the top ten with Durant not playing this year?
Dammit where is the like button?With or without Durant, JT is top 10 now
#defense matters