Felger: Red Sox offered Mookie what he asked for, and were turned down

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Felger on his show today said that the Red Sox offered Mookie what he was asking for and were turned down. According to his source, Mookie did not want to resign with the Sox and that’s why he was traded. Felger also explains why the Sox have not publicly said that even though the they have taken a beating from the media and the fans.
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View: https://twitter.com/NBCSBoston/status/1319067840192876549
 

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If true, in before people still blame ownership for creating culture that Mookie didn't want to be a part of.
 

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So they haven't said this publicly, but they're counting on their buddies in the media to get the word out?
 

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So they haven't said this publicly, but they're counting on their buddies in the media to get the word out?
I don’t think that’s true in this case. If it was don’t you think they would have leaked this to their “media buddies” long before now? Like either after the trade or when he signed his extension?

what purpose in waiting till now? People in the media have been beating up on the Sox for the Mookie situation since the trade went down. Unless the Sox took pleasure in getting dragged thru the mud the entire season.
 

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An unattributed source?

Sounds like a Felger-fabricated hot take.

Mookie had a big night last night, Joe Buck has some fun with Boston fans, so Felger jumps in today

Ratings baby!

And he has some material for the World Series and into the off-season.
 

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If true, in before people still blame ownership for creating culture that Mookie didn't want to be a part of.
I don't blame ownership, but I think there was definitely something about Boston that Mookie didn't want to spend the rest of his career in. It could be as simple as the every day pressure of performing for a rabid fan base, and the awful Boston media (my money leans towards this one).

I've felt since Mookie's comments in spring training that he was happy to get out of Boston, and I don't begrudge him for it at all.
 

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I don't blame ownership, but I think there was definitely something about Boston that Mookie didn't want to spend the rest of his career in. It could be as simple as the every day pressure of performing for a rabid fan base, and the awful Boston media (my money leans towards this one).

I've felt since Mookie's comments in spring training that he was happy to get out of Boston, and I don't begrudge him for it at all.
CC Sabathia was on Simmons’s podcast a month ago and said Mookie wanted out of Boston and wanted to be on the West Coast. Between that and Mookie’s own comments, maybe we should just believe them?
 

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Rosenthal murdered Sox ownership on the Athletic today over the Betts trade. Murdered.

It was pretty stupid. They should have kept him! But I get why they did it. Over and over.
 

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It could be racism or a problem with the team culture, but it also could be something as simple as he wanted to live and play in a warmer climate. People can have legitimate reasons for preferring one place to another that might have nothing to do with the negative aspects of one place, and all to do with the positive aspects of the place they prefer.

I live in Philly, which Bryce Harper picked as his home a couple of years ago, and I honestly believe the deciding factor was the length of contract and no trade he received from the Phillies. Because Harper was just starting a family and along with all the money he was asking for, he obviously also wanted to be in one place for the rest of his career so he wouldn't have to worry about pulling his kids out of school if he were ever traded or be in a situation to sign a deal with another club after this megadeal expired.

Making 300+ million is awesome, but if that money can't buy you the freedom to live year round in some place you'd prefer to be for a decade of your life, what good is it? Players in demand realize that don't have to compromise on anything they're seeking so they're fine walking away from even a good situation if they have their heart on being someplace else.
 
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Rosenthal murdered Sox ownership on the Athletic today over the Betts trade. Murdered.

It was pretty stupid. They should have kept him! But I get why they did it. Over and over.
Can't wait for these same media to praise the sox in a few years when they're comepting for a title again and forget to mention how they killed the team for months
 

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Felger's dumb enough to believer it and frothing enough to spread it. Well played, front office propagandist.
 

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1. I don't believe Felger on this or anything else
2. I doubt I'm forgiving ownership for this any time soon, EVEN if that is the case.

And before anyone is mad at me for #2, I doubt I'm alone. There's never going to be justification of this trade. Ever. Maybe in a world where the Tito and Lester fallout doesn't also happen.
 

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I have no idea if the Red Sox really offered him that contract or not, but I do believe that Mookie did not want to sign a long term deal with the Red Sox. For whatever the reason.

I thought that was obvious, mostly due to the fact that Mookie is no longer playing here and the Red Sox traded him, but I guess it was not so obvious to a wide swath of people across the country.

Are there people out there who really think that the Red Sox wanted to trade Mookie Betts? If so, I would like to meet these people.
 

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Look, I love living in New England. I was raised here, most of my family is from here, and I think it's a good place to be. But for most people, if you had to choose between southern California or Boston - especially if you're a black man given Boston's history - it's not remotely difficult to picture wanting to live in LA.

Add to that the fact that LA is a GREAT baseball city with a great baseball tradition, and their team is a huge market team that will consistently spend the $$ to put a good/great team on the field (not to say they won't have bad seasons, obviously), AND add to it that LA is, despite it being one of the great baseball cities in America, much more laid back and less of a pressure-cooker than Boston, and it's very easy to see why a guy like Mookie might prefer to be in LA. It's not like he signed in San Diego - another fabulous place to live but not really a city with a great baseball history. Or it's not like he signed with Pittsburgh, another city with a great baseball tradition but which isn't exactly a great climate.

Now I know he didn't orchestrate the trade to Los Angeles, but maybe if he got traded to Texas or Minnesota, he would have just become a free agent and signed with LA anyway. I don't know. But there's lots of reasons - despite our Boston bias - for people to legitimately want to be elsewhere. This place isn't for everyone, plain and simple.
 

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I can blame the Sox (and DD) for lots of things, but if Mookie wanted to become a FA and test the market, and turned down a 10-300 million Sox offer, I can't blame them for that. And I don't blame them for trading Mookie and getting a decent return, rather than risk his walking away after the '20 season and getting stiffed
 

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1. I don't believe Felger on this or anything else
2. I doubt I'm forgiving ownership for this any time soon, EVEN if that is the case.

And before anyone is mad at me for #2, I doubt I'm alone. There's never going to be justification of this trade. Ever. Maybe in a world where the Tito and Lester fallout doesn't also happen.
Agree with this 100%, you're not alone.
 

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Had the team thrown up their hands and said “We tried! He doesn’t want to stay here! He doesn’t like Boston!” It would have been denied by Mookie’s people, and public sentiment would have been even worse. Such tact would have played right into the narrative that the Boston Red Sox trash their star players on the way out the door.

Assuming it’s true that Betts wouldn’t stay without a franchise crippling overpay, they were wise to just bid him farewell in the form of a trade and well wishes. They knew that they would be bad in 2020 so fans would stay away anyway, but they’ll be back in 2021 (COVID notwithstanding).
 

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Look, I love living in New England. I was raised here, most of my family is from here, and I think it's a good place to be. But for most people, if you had to choose between southern California or Boston - especially if you're a black man given Boston's history - it's not remotely difficult to picture wanting to live in LA.

Add to that the fact that LA is a GREAT baseball city with a great baseball tradition, and their team is a huge market team that will consistently spend the $$ to put a good/great team on the field (not to say they won't have bad seasons, obviously), AND add to it that LA is, despite it being one of the great baseball cities in America, much more laid back and less of a pressure-cooker than Boston, and it's very easy to see why a guy like Mookie might prefer to be in LA.
Black athlete, perhaps, but I am not sure you choose LA over Boston if you're a middle-class black male. Rodney King and all that.

I also don't buy LA is a great baseball city. It's nowhere close to NY, Boston, St. Louis, Chicago, SF, or even Pittsburgh or Minneapolis. Major bandwagon central. It only seems it's a baseball city because of all the recent division titles.

For mookie though, it was the right destination.
 
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Look, I love living in New England. I was raised here, most of my family is from here, and I think it's a good place to be. But for most people, if you had to choose between southern California or Boston - especially if you're a black man given Boston's history - it's not remotely difficult to picture wanting to live in LA.

Add to that the fact that LA is a GREAT baseball city with a great baseball tradition, and their team is a huge market team that will consistently spend the $$ to put a good/great team on the field (not to say they won't have bad seasons, obviously), AND add to it that LA is, despite it being one of the great baseball cities in America, much more laid back and less of a pressure-cooker than Boston, and it's very easy to see why a guy like Mookie might prefer to be in LA. It's not like he signed in San Diego - another fabulous place to live but not really a city with a great baseball history. Or it's not like he signed with Pittsburgh, another city with a great baseball tradition but which isn't exactly a great climate.

Now I know he didn't orchestrate the trade to Los Angeles, but maybe if he got traded to Texas or Minnesota, he would have just become a free agent and signed with LA anyway. I don't know. But there's lots of reasons - despite our Boston bias - for people to legitimately want to be elsewhere. This place isn't for everyone, plain and simple.
Agree with this 100%. If I try to remove my bias and think where is the ideal place for Mookie when you consider everything, I would probably pick the Dodgers.

A 12 year mega-deal in LA with the Dodgers has to be the peak of what every baseball player dreams of, even over the Yankees if you ask me.

I wish he stayed in Boston too but he took a risk and it worked out. Good for him, he deserves it.
 

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Couldn’t it just be as simple as he values his privacy off the field?

The best player on the Red Sox can’t go anywhere without getting noticed, hounded for autographs, etc. they literally can’t walk down the street.

In LA he’s a 4th or so tier celebrity. He could probably sit in front of a bar in Venice or Santa Monica in his game jersey all day and no one would bother him except Red Sox fans.

And that’s even before all of the weather and lifestyle advantages that come with living in So Cal if you make a shit ton of money.

I’ve lived in Boston most of my life and I would’ve picked LA.
 

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Mookie hated candlepin bowling!

"I also don't buy LA is a great baseball city. It's nowhere close to NY, Boston, St. Louis, Chicago, SF, or even Pittsburgh or Minneapolis. Major bandwagon central. It only seems it's a baseball city because of all the recent division titles."

Since moving to LA, the Dodgers have led MLB in annual attendance about 50% of the years, 1958-2019. Their fans may suck but they buy tickets.
 
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Black athlete, perhaps, but I am not sure you choose LA over Boston if you're a middle-class black male. Rodney King and all that.

I also don't buy LA is a great baseball city. It's nowhere close to NY, Boston, St. Louis, Chicago, SF, or even Pittsburgh or Minneapolis. Major bandwagon central. It only seems it's a baseball city because of all the recent division titles.

For mookie though, it was the right destination.
Pittsburgh no.
 

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Rich people really love L.A. Look at any sport, but it's not just athletes. I don't blame them. If I had that kind of money, I'd choose sunny California over Boston, too.

The interesting thing about all of this is, if the Red Sox could go back in time - knowing what they know now - wouldn't they likely have been even more likely to trade Betts? This past season was an abomination because of the pitching (not that we knew that before the season started). Unfortunately, with Betts on the team this past season they would have still been awful and he almost certainly still would have left.

BTW, this doesn't mean I'm forgiving them for trading him. I just think the media take on it lately is a bit odd.
 

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Black athlete, perhaps, but I am not sure you choose LA over Boston if you're a middle-class black male. Rodney King and all that.

I also don't buy LA is a great baseball city. It's nowhere close to NY, Boston, St. Louis, Chicago, SF, or even Pittsburgh or Minneapolis. Major bandwagon central. It only seems it's a baseball city because of all the recent division titles.
I lived in Boston for 12 years and now live in LA, have to disagree. LA is a great baseball town. Lakers and Dodgers rule everything, the rest is bandwagon.

Also, not sure what being middle class or Rodney King has to do with Mookie Betts.
 

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I lived in Boston for 12 years and now live in LA, have to disagree. LA is a great baseball town. Lakers and Dodgers rule everything, the rest is bandwagon.
Then it's an East LA thing, because I saw more Yankees and Cubs hats West of the 405 than Dodgers hats as recently as 2017.
 

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Mookie hated candlepin bowling!

"I also don't buy LA is a great baseball city. It's nowhere close to NY, Boston, St. Louis, Chicago, SF, or even Pittsburgh or Minneapolis. Major bandwagon central. It only seems it's a baseball city because of all the recent division titles."

Since moving to LA, the Dodgers have led MLB in annual attendance about 50% of the years, 1958-2019. Their fans may suck but they buy tickets.
Population size and stadium size matter.
 

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I also find it hilarious that the national media is trying to dunk on Boston with the "Can you believe they traded this guy???" narrative, like we didn't all realize how spectacular a player Mookie can be. Where were their bouquets for Mookie the past four years? Why do they have to wrap their praise of Mookie around shitting on the Red Sox? None of this is surprising to us. He's awesome. We know, trust us. Y'all are the only ones acting surprised.

ESPN showed a highlight, who knows which one there's been so many, and the announcer gleefully said, "cover your eyes Sox fans!!!" And I'm like, wtf are you talking about, I'm still cheering for the guy.

It's all so bizarre to me.
 

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Look, I love living in New England. I was raised here, most of my family is from here, and I think it's a good place to be. But for most people, if you had to choose between southern California or Boston - especially if you're a black man given Boston's history - it's not remotely difficult to picture wanting to live in LA.

Add to that the fact that LA is a GREAT baseball city with a great baseball tradition, and their team is a huge market team that will consistently spend the $$ to put a good/great team on the field (not to say they won't have bad seasons, obviously), AND add to it that LA is, despite it being one of the great baseball cities in America, much more laid back and less of a pressure-cooker than Boston, and it's very easy to see why a guy like Mookie might prefer to be in LA. It's not like he signed in San Diego - another fabulous place to live but not really a city with a great baseball history. Or it's not like he signed with Pittsburgh, another city with a great baseball tradition but which isn't exactly a great climate.

Now I know he didn't orchestrate the trade to Los Angeles, but maybe if he got traded to Texas or Minnesota, he would have just become a free agent and signed with LA anyway. I don't know. But there's lots of reasons - despite our Boston bias - for people to legitimately want to be elsewhere. This place isn't for everyone, plain and simple.
This seems totally accurate to me. And I also feel certain that it’s better we don’t know the “real reason” Mookie preferred LA to Boston. Whether it’s weather, the media, racism, privacy, or anything else, saying so publicly would tarnish his legacy here and probably hurt our ability to attract free agents.
 

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Population size and stadium size matter.
Yes they do.

But I was just adding some facts to your statement that LA, "only seems it's a baseball city because of all the recent division titles."

Which really wasn't accurate as attested to by attendance stats going back 60+ years. The Dodgers have drawn very well in LA since they moved there.
 

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This more or less is what I was saying on the WS game thread last night. I just don’t think Mookie wanted to stay in Boston.

As for the the Sox side, in addition to the PR thing Felger suggests, I think the FO also genuinely liked Mookie personally – he wasn’t the most vocal leader by most accounts but was a high character guy, great in the community and the face of the franchise.

Also, my sense is that since Kennedy took over that they’ve run a much tighter ship when it comes to wading into the “winning the back page” wars that kind of colored the Lucchino/Steinberg years. If anything, they’ve now stopped saying anything about anyone on their way out the door, good or bad.
 

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Yes they do.

But I was just adding some facts to your statement that LA, "only seems it's a baseball city because of all the recent division titles."

Which really wasn't accurate as attested to by attendance stats going back 60+ years. The Dodgers have drawn very well in LA since they moved there.
On a per-capita basis and on a capacity % basis, it's accurate. Or was prior to 3 WS appearances in 4 years. Their attendance numbers aren't very impressive 2001-2018.
 

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On a per-capita basis and on a capacity % basis, it's accurate. Or was prior to 3 WS appearances in 4 years. Their attendance numbers aren't very impressive 2001-2017.
Because McCourt was the owner and he was as despised in LA as Donald sterling.

I mean he was HATED here in LA.
 

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This seems totally accurate to me. And I also feel certain that it’s better we don’t know the “real reason” Mookie preferred LA to Boston. Whether it’s weather, the media, racism, privacy, or anything else, saying so publicly would tarnish his legacy here and probably hurt our ability to attract free agents.
Mookie just didn't appreciate getting Budweisers hurled at him during the inevitable duck boat parades. He doesn't have to worry about that in LA.
 

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On a per-capita basis and on a capacity % basis, it's accurate. Or was prior to 3 WS appearances in 4 years. Their attendance numbers aren't very impressive 2001-2017.
Yet for as shitty a fan-base as you imagine them to be, some how Dodgers fans bought enough tickets so that the LAD's managed to lead MLB in attendance for about half the 60 + years they've been in LA.
 

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Yet for as shitty a fan-base as you imagine them to be, some how Dodgers fans bought enough tickets so that the LAD's managed to lead MLB in attendance for about half the 60 + years they've been in LA.
I'm not saying they're shitty. I think there's a lot of room between "shitty" and "great" For a city that big, and a stadium that big, and aggregate $ that high in LA County, they should be leading attendance EVERY YEAR not just half.

In any case, I hope to move to LA in 2022, and to watch Mookie up close for 10 years and most importantly, prove myself wrong.
 

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Then it's an East LA thing, because I saw more Yankees and Cubs hats West of the 405 than Dodgers hats as recently as 2017.
I live in West LA, lots of Dodgers fans everywhere. LA is a city of transplants, no doubt about it. Plenty of Red Sox (like myself), Cubs, and Yankees fans to go around.

But LA is actually a very good baseball town and the Dodgers have a huge following all over the city.
 

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On a per-capita basis and on a capacity % basis, it's accurate. Or was prior to 3 WS appearances in 4 years. Their attendance numbers aren't very impressive 2001-2018.
they averaged about 44-45k a year 2001-2017 and 48k a year 2018-2019, so it's not like it went up that much the last few years, and I'm not sure if capacity changed at all in the last 20 years
 

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I live in West LA, lots of Dodgers fans everywhere. LA is a city of transplants, no doubt about it. Plenty of Red Sox (like myself), Cubs, and Yankees fans to go around.

But LA is actually a very good baseball town and the Dodgers have a huge following all over the city.
Greatto hear. You've (and John Henry has lol) made me a little more optimistic about moving there, not just seasonally.
 

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If we’ve come to the conclusion that he didn’t want to be here, and wasn’t ever going to sign a long term deal here, why is anyone still not forgiving the Red Sox for trading him? Isn’t that exactly what they should've done in that situation?
 

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If we’ve come to the conclusion that he didn’t want to be here, and wasn’t ever going to sign a long term deal here, why is anyone still not forgiving the Red Sox for trading him? Isn’t that exactly what they should've done in that situation?
Right. Won't someone please tell me who to be mad at? Obviously, wishing the best for both couldn't possibly be OK.
 

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If i had 300+ million and was in my 20s I would much rather be in LA or Boston. Its a bigger more vibrant city with considerably better weather.

New Englanders love Boston but its a pretty meh place overall.
 

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I moved to L.A. a dozen years ago -- I got here a few weeks after Manny did. So the Dodgers have always been a successful team. That said, they have a very devoted and committed fanbase. I think it's easy for people to undervalue the Mexican-American community's devotion to the team, especially post-Fernando. They show up and they are diehards. (I also think that "the fanbase sucks because they show up late and leave early" has some merit, but also sometimes feels like knocking Red Sox fans for leaving an extra inning game early because the last Green Line train is about to depart: it's a transportation issue more than a devotion one.)

Anyway, I lived in the northeast my whole life before moving out here -- grew up outside Boston and then lived in Somerville & Brighton for the back half of my 20s. It will always be my home. I have met a bunch of people out here who also lived in Boston. A bunch of them have the same emotional connection I do and think of Boston fondly. All of those people, like me, are white. I have also met a bunch of people who speak like they did time in Boston and couldn't wait to get out of there. All of those are people of color. Anecdotal and small sample size...but I think it would be good for folks in my hometown to contemplate why so many people of color feel the way they do about their experiences in the city.
 

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Population size and stadium size matter.
Yet for as shitty a fan-base as you imagine them to be, some how Dodgers fans bought enough tickets so that the LAD's managed to lead MLB in attendance for about half the 60 + years they've been in LA.
see above. Why don’t the Sox average 45K fans?
they averaged about 44-45k a year 2001-2017 and 48k a year 2018-2019, so it's not like it went up that much the last few years, and I'm not sure if capacity changed at all in the last 20 years
the Sox don’t do that much business, therefore LA is a better baseball town. As is NYC and Toronto for all those years.

but the bottom line is, Forget it Jake, it’s Felger. A radio personality that no one here has ever given any credence to until he makes this statement.
 

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the Sox don’t do that much business, therefore LA is a better baseball town. As is NYC and Toronto for all those years.

but the bottom line is, Forget it Jake, it’s Felger. A radio personality that no one here has ever given any credence to until he makes this statement.
Who said LA was "a better baseball town" than Boston? The argument was whether LA fans just jumped on the badnwagon in the last few years when the team got good, and attendance numbers show that they didn't, they've had strong attendance for years.
 

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Why does Boston have such an inferiority complex? I understand that people will feel differently about Mookie than they do about Papi, or even Pedro (who was offered a lot more money to play elsewhere), but getting upset because a grown man prefers to live and work in a different city than you do is just crazy.
 

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Who said LA was "a better baseball town" than Boston? The argument was whether LA fans just jumped on the badnwagon in the last few years when the team got good, and attendance numbers show that they didn't, they've had strong attendance for years.
My point, which may have not been well stated, was that just because LA has outsold Boston the majority of the past 60 years has zero relationship to the quality of the baseball fans there, It relates MUCH more to stadium size, and then to population, which is why I included Toronto, which was the top attendance for many years, as well as NYC, which is tops in pops(ulation)
 

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Why does Boston have such an inferiority complex? I understand that people will feel differently about Mookie than they do about Papi, or even Pedro (who was offered a lot more money to play elsewhere), but getting upset because a grown man prefers to live and work in a different city than you do is just crazy.
Ding ding ding. We have a winner. Mookie prefers to be in LA rather than Boston. It's not the end of the world. It's not the Red Sox organization's fault. It's not your fault. It's not my fault. It's just the way Mookie feels. Good for him.