Dolphins: Year Tua

Should Miami Trade for Deshaun Watson

  • Yes. Deshaun is a star. Take the known entity.

    Votes: 68 70.8%
  • No. Build around Tua and forge a stronger overall team.

    Votes: 28 29.2%

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The Cincy pick was a large part of the discussion. Some of the other arguments for tackle over receiver, which seem logical, were the hit rate of high picks and the idea that you can build a receiver group that compliments each other, where as you can’t hide a tackle or have a specialist at the position.

After my post I started to see all the trade back down rumor articles. If true, I can’t help but connect the dots and think the target was Pitts and things have gone sideways. Hopefully things still do break the right way, if not, I suppose the latest reports are encouraging, as it seems like they are setting up multiple options to maximize value instead of panicking.
Maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about, but I can’t believe the Bengals will draft a tight end. Their careers are just so short. So if the Falcons trade down, I think Pitts will be there for Miami.
 

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Maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about, but I can’t believe the Bengals will draft a tight end. Their careers are just so short. So if the Falcons trade down, I think Pitts will be there for Miami.
Wait what, is there any evidence that TE's have shorter careers than other non QB players? Hell, the xamples of Witten, Gonzalez, Greg Olsen suggest that TEs can last longer than a lot of other players.
 

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Wait what, is there any evidence that TE's have shorter careers than other non QB players? Hell, the xamples of Witten, Gonzalez, Greg Olsen suggest that TEs can last longer than a lot of other players.
Hmm ... maybe not.

Of course, the average career is just 4 seasons (if that), but that shouldn’t be the standard for a top-10 pick. Would the career lengths for standout TEs (assuming we agreed how to define that) be shorter than standouts at other non-QB positions?

There are nine Hall of Fame TEs who played in the NFL since the merger. Jackie Smith and Tony Gonzalez each played 16 seasons; the other seven played between 9 and 13 seasons. If that’s shorter than the modern average for non-QBs, it’s not by much.

There are also guys like Keith Jackson and Mark Bavaro who’d probably be in if they had held together for a couple more years (each played 9 seasons), but that’s probably just as true for other positions.

So I’m probably leaning on memory and anecdotes that aren’t representative — I grew up watching Winslow, Bavaro, and Jackson, and of course Gronk appeared to have retired after 9 seasons too. It still seems intuitively that a tight end wouldn’t last as long as an offensive tackle, or even a wide receiver, but I’m very much open to the possibility that that isn’t true.
 
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Happened to listen to the Athletic/Mays podcast on pass catchers, and it was a sobering discussion...

To sum it up, they theorized that these last two receiver classes weren’t unusually deep or talented, but rather a sign of a new normal due to the proliferation of the passing game across all levels.

Also that none of the receivers are truly special, and a guy you’d want to invest a top 10 type pick on. And it wouldn’t be surprising at all if Bateman is the best receiver in the class and 2nd or 3rd round guys outperform the top 3.

The exception to this being Pitts, who they said was the best non QB in the draft.
Listening to that was a bit of a bummer, as I had been approaching the trade back as a no lose type situation and this sort of burst my idealized view of that.
I like Mays. He does his homework and I know he is especially interested in WR play and all of the nuances that go into it (route running/getting off of press coverage/counter moves/etc). But he’s not really a draft analyst and I don’t think he pores into the film (or talks to NFL teams) at the level the really good draft analysts do.

However, most draft analysts seem to disagree with his overall point. There’s a lot of depth at the WR position for sure but Chase (and for some people Waddle) is firmly in the top 5 of most rankings. For example, Daniel Jeremiah has Chase at 3 and Waddle at 5 while Dane Brugler has Chase at 4 and Waddle at 6.

Also, I think Chase is pretty damn close to a sure thing. He dominated the SEC at 19 and his size/athletic profile is pretty damn good as well (as opposed to Devonta Smith)
 
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Hmm ... maybe not.

Of course, the average career is just 4 seasons (if that), but that shouldn’t be the standard for a top-10 pick. Would the career lengths for standout TEs (assuming we agreed how to define that) be shorter than standouts at other non-QB positions?

There are nine Hall of Fame TEs who played in the NFL since the merger. Jackie Smith and Tony Gonzalez each played 16 seasons; the other seven played between 9 and 13 seasons. If that’s shorter than the modern average for non-QBs, it’s not by much.

There are also guys like Keith Jackson and Mark Bavaro who’d probably be in if they had held together for a couple more years (each played 9 seasons), but that’s probably just as true for other positions.

So I’m probably leaning on memory and anecdotes that aren’t representative — I grew up watching Winslow, Bavaro, and Jackson, and of course Gronk appeared to have retired after 9 seasons too. It still seems intuitively that a tight end wouldn’t last as long as an offensive tackle, or even a wide receiver, but I’m very much open to the possibility that that isn’t true.
I can' find good statistics on it league wide. I think injuries really complicate the process. Honestly career longevity (other than perhaps at running back) shouldn't be that much of a factor in drafting people because its' only a truly rare non QB who can remain excellent after the age of 30-at any position. Even DL and interior offensive linemen (theoretically the big dudes who can stay strong and massive even if they're not quick) don't have particularly long careers.
 

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Hmm ... maybe not.

Of course, the average career is just 4 seasons (if that), but that shouldn’t be the standard for a top-10 pick. Would the career lengths for standout TEs (assuming we agreed how to define that) be shorter than standouts at other non-QB positions?
Yes, the average TE career is shorter than others, but that difference isn't worth worrying about.

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Yes, the average TE career is shorter than others, but that difference isn't worth worrying about.

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Average career length is driven to a large extent by guys on the bottom half of the 53-man roster. Positional differences among guys on the top half of the roster (where a top-10 pick will land unless he’s a total bust) are presumably much more pronounced, and might not follow the same patterns.
 

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Been relatively quiet lately...some talk of Miami trading down again. Maybe they do if Chase and Pitts are both gone and someone wants a QB. I hope that's not how it plays out unless they only trade down a couple spots and can still get elite pass catcher. the more I think about it the more I am convinced they are not going to take a RB in the first round or amongst their first three picks. I think they'll go pass catcher, LB, OL and maybe even CB before RB. Maybe they grab one of the top three rBs with the 51st pick...
 

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Been relatively quiet lately...some talk of Miami trading down again. Maybe they do if Chase and Pitts are both gone and someone wants a QB. I hope that's not how it plays out unless they only trade down a couple spots and can still get elite pass catcher. the more I think about it the more I am convinced they are not going to take a RB in the first round or amongst their first three picks. I think they'll go pass catcher, LB, OL and maybe even CB before RB. Maybe they grab one of the top three rBs with the 51st pick...
I think they trade out if Chase and Pitts are gone. They move down with Denver or Carolina I would guess. They likely want to still be in range of Waddle or Smith.

I also wouldn’t rule out a trade down from into the 20s and then a trade back up into the end of round 1 like we saw last year with Igbonoghene. They seem to value the 5th year rookie option (as they should), and that’s the exact right spot to take a RB.

Wild guess:

Trade down with Denver
Devonta Smith
Trade down with Browns to 26
Azeez Ojulari
Trade up with Ravens to 31
Jevonte Williams

This is assuming that Chase and Pitts go off the board before Miami picks and Najee Harris goes off the board between 18 and 26.
 

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Wild guess:

Trade down with Denver
Devonta Smith
Trade down with Browns to 26
Azeez Ojulari
Trade up with Ravens to 31
Jevonte Williams

This is assuming that Chase and Pitts go off the board before Miami picks and Najee Harris goes off the board between 18 and 26.
Call me crazy, but if Pitts is unavailable, I think the pick is DaVonta Smith. And I like it.

"Folks" have seemingly soured on Smith a bit, but I think he's perfect for Tua and the Miami offense. I want the guy who can create massive separation with his feet, as opposed to the bigger receiver who is dependent upon physicality, leverage, and length. Miami has Parker and Preston on the roster already, and FitzMagic is poof. Speed, twitch, and versatility.

All that said, if Miami goes Waddle, I won't be mad.

But Smith's the guy.

(I'm convinced.)

(Possibly.)
 

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Call me crazy, but if Pitts is unavailable, I think the pick is DaVonta Smith. And I like it.

"Folks" have seemingly soured on Smith a bit, but I think he's perfect for Tua and the Miami offense. I want the guy who can create massive separation with his feet, as opposed to the bigger receiver who is dependent upon physicality, leverage, and length. Miami has Parker and Preston on the roster already, and FitzMagic is poof. Speed, twitch, and versatility.

All that said, if Miami goes Waddle, I won't be mad.

But Smith's the guy.

(I'm convinced.)

(Possibly.)
Edit: ha misread your initial post and thought you were passing on Pitts for Smith. Carry on.
 

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If Pitts is gone, I’ve come around to the idea that the Bengals taking Chase and then Miami taking Sewell would be a blessing in disguise.
Then hope Bateman is there at #18 or F’ it and trade back up as it’s likely that either Waddle or Smith drops to a point where that is a viable option as well.

The only things I really hate at the moment are Smith or Waddle at #6 and/or forcing an edge rusher at #18.
Swear I haven’t heard anyone I trust speak of any of the edge rushers in a manner that illustrates they are worthy of a top pick. It feels like they are slotting players in simply due to the importance of the position, not based on actual merit. I’m fine letting another team deal with that and hopefully you can trust that your guys have identified someone later that has upside and/can fit the scheme. If the 1st round guys are a gamble based on upside than mine as well gamble later in the draft.
 

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Fish trade Erick Flowers to WFC for swap of late round picks. Saves a few million for Miami. Reported Fisha re moving Hunt inside, which is probably where he is best, but also means they need a OT unless they think DJ Fluker is the answer (he isn't on a full time basis)...

Sewell again in play?

I wonder if they'd bid for Julio. I doubt it, but he's likely to get moved for less than people think
 

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So the day is upon us. Still no clear view in where Miami goes because they’re dependent upon what happens above them.

I think this is their priority for the sixth pick in order:
Kyle Pitts
Ja’Marr Chase
Trade back within the top 10
Jaylen Waddle
Penei Sewell
Devonta Smith

For 18, I see more and more mocks linking them with Phillips and Paye. I think that’s the direction Miami goes and then they look to trade back up into the end of the first to take a running back, my guess would be Javonte Williams because Harris and Etienne will be off the board.
 

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I actually think they are going to wind up with Pitts. If that doesn’t happen, my final guess is it’s Sewell if they stay at #6. Waddle if they trade down a few spots.

And sorry to Pdaj above, but my guess is neither Smith or Harris will be selected.
 

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Waddle seems fast. is he a slot guy only? And it seems as though the trade up to move to 6 was maybe not so brilliant.
 

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Not my favorite scenario, but Waddle, Parker, Fuller and Gesicki certainly seems like it could be exciting. And on that note...I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they take Etienne in an attempt to play “catch us if you can”.
 

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Waddle seems fast. is he a slot guy only? And it seems as though the trade up to move to 6 was maybe not so brilliant.
No. Waddle is an inside and outside guy. He will likely start in the slot and likely will play outside if/when Parker or Fuller miss time.

Obviously Pitts was the dream, but Waddle is a burner of the highest level. Listening to a lot of people, they say he’s a fit with Fuller because Waddle is a horizontal stretch player and Fuller is a vertical stretch player.

Do not hate the pick. Miami’s offense looks a shit load faster than last year. Looking forward to 18.
 

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I kind of hate how this played out...the Phillips pick even more so than Waddle...but these really seem like a couple home run swings, and I’ve bitched for decades about the team not having “playmakers”, so who knows. If these connect it could be fantastic.
 

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I kind of hate how this played out...the Phillips pick even more so than Waddle...but these really seem like a couple home run swings, and I’ve bitched for decades about the team not having “playmakers”, so who knows. If these connect it could be fantastic.
Phillips is a top 10 talent that slipped because he has a history of concussions. He’s the best edge rusher in the draft and Miami lacks a true pass rushing threat. I like Phillips better than Paye, and when you have two first round picks, you can take a home run swing with the second one and hope he stays healthy and plays up to his talent.

Waddle isn’t Pitts, but he’s also brings speed and YAC ability that was completely missing from Miami’s offense. Phillips is the best edge rusher in the class and Miami traded Lawson and cut Van Noy.

Secure Harris or Williams, and I’m really happy.
 

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Chris Grier is a cooler customer than me, because I would have moved up with someone to get Williams after Etienne and Harris went off the board. Both the Jets and Falcons could take him ahead of Miami tonight.

Miami judged the run on edge defenders correctly. There was a run on the back half of round 1 and they were able to get their choice of the draft. If you need a reason to get excited, watch this video where he is compared favorably to the Watt brothers:

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He has a lot of TJ in his game.

It’s being reported that Miami traded up specifically to get Waddle and would have taken him over Pitts or Chase. Of course they’re going to say that, however I feel good about the pick and I don’t think he would have made it too much further than 6th.

Tons of talent on the board still. Hoping Miami comes away with Javonte and a center in round 2.
 

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With the obvious (huge) caveat that we have no idea who the Dolphins draft with the extra pick they received from the 49ers:

With the way the draft played out, are you guys still happy they traded the 3rd overall to the 49ers? When Pitts or Chase were still possibilities, it seemed like a huge win. Now that they ended up with Waddle instead, what's your opinion?
 

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With the obvious (huge) caveat that we have no idea who the Dolphins draft with the extra pick they received from the 49ers:

With the way the draft played out, are you guys still happy they traded the 3rd overall to the 49ers? When Pitts or Chase were still possibilities, it seemed like a huge win. Now that they ended up with Waddle instead, what's your opinion?
Yeah, decent amount of pressure on Waddle now since there is a pretty good chance that at least one of Pitts/Chase is probably going to turn into a stud. If Waddle plays like he did at Bama, can't imagine too many people will be upset with the trade.
 

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I like the SI day 2 mock I found, while searching for best available players, this morning.
it gave Miami the ND LB, Landon Dickerson and Williams in the 3rd.
I had to double take and make sure it wasn’t a blog from an overly optimistic Fins fan lol

My final takeaway of last night is the simple logic of last night...Miami got the most explosive receiver and pass rusher in the draft (additional pros and cons aside, I think that was the take from most analysts) And if you asked what this team needed to take the next step, an explosive WR and edge rusher was either atop the list, or in the short list.
So, it may not have been my preference, but within that context I can see where it makes sense...And I have to admit, I did go to sleep a bit giddy with the idea of Fuller and Waddle on the same field.
 

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With the obvious (huge) caveat that we have no idea who the Dolphins draft with the extra pick they received from the 49ers:

With the way the draft played out, are you guys still happy they traded the 3rd overall to the 49ers? When Pitts or Chase were still possibilities, it seemed like a huge win. Now that they ended up with Waddle instead, what's your opinion?
Think that’s a very valid question. I love Pitts. And I’m not just trying to talk myself into Waddle when I say that he is an elite talent that fills a gigantic void that Miami had.

So would I rather have Pitts and no extra first rounder or Waddle and an extra first? I honestly can’t say. I guess Pitts and no extra first? Take the ultra rare talent and be willing to punt the extra capital. I would say it’s really a coin flip for me.

Obviously I’m fine with Waddle and whatever potential player comes from the 9ers picks.
 

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I like the SI day 2 mock I found, while searching for best available players, this morning.
it gave Miami the ND LB, Landon Dickerson and Williams in the 3rd.
I had to double take and make sure it wasn’t a blog from an overly optimistic Fins fan lol

My final takeaway of last night is the simple logic of last night...Miami got the most explosive receiver and pass rusher in the draft (additional pros and cons aside, I think that was the take from most analysts) And if you asked what this team needed to take the next step, an explosive WR and edge rusher was either atop the list, or in the short list.
So, it may not have been my preference, but within that context I can see where it makes sense...And I have to admit, I did go to sleep a bit giddy with the idea of Fuller and Waddle on the same field.
This is the way. You put those two on the field and teams have to play 2 high safeties. You then have lighter boxes to run against. Insert Javonte Williams in there and you start to see how all of a sudden Miami is causing real conflict for defenses.

You start running Jaylen Waddle on those RPO slants where he has the ability to take any ball to the house instead of Devante Parker who gets tackled within .5 seconds of catching the ball.

Adding Fuller and Waddle to the offense is a massive infusion of speed and ability. Hard to overstate how much better Miami is going to look if everyone is on the field at the same time.
 

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Now it's really all riding on Tua. The Phins are set up really nicely. It's going to be very interesting to watch unfold.
 

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Now it's really all riding on Tua. The Phins are set up really nicely. It's going to be very interesting to watch unfold.
I’m really excited about this. The kid’s been working his tail off this offseason on his conditioning, and he’ll finally have a real training camp following what’s been a media massacre. He’s not short on fuel for motivation.

Prediction: Waddle’s going to help Fuller stay a Dolphin, as they compliment each other incredibly well. By mid-year, he’ll be signed through age-30. Book it.
 

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Really hard not to like this guy. A lot.

I knew of Phillips coming into the draft but after watching that same video early this morning, it seems he truly loves the Miami area. Like I said, he’s a top 10 dude on talent. He was the number one recruit in the nation in his recruiting class. Talent and ability are not the issue with him.

Hopefully he can stay healthy because he has a chance to be a star.
 

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The kid’s been working his tail off this offseason on his conditioning, and he’ll finally have a real training camp following what’s been a media massacre.
Is this in reference to Tua? I don't follow other teams very closely, thanks in advance. His stats look decent for a rookie without a lot of offensive help last year, are folks kind of down on Tua after his rookie year? Thanks in advance.
 

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Is this in reference to Tua? I don't follow other teams very closely, thanks in advance. His stats look decent for a rookie without a lot of offensive help last year, are folks kind of down on Tua after his rookie year? Thanks in advance.
Initially. The media has gone full circle on Tua. People were clamoring for Miami to get Watson. They said he wasn’t good enough and they should have drafted Herbert. Then the pendulum started to swing the other way and people started saying Tua was actually pretty good and his weapons weren’t very good and he should get a longer leash.

I said it several times, but Tua wasn’t the problem last year. He walked into an offense built for Ryan Fitzpatrick. What you’ve seen this offseason is Miami building a more Tua-centric offense. If you’re going to commit to Tua, you might as well give him the best chance possible to thrive. Will Fuller and Jaylen Waddle are two big steps in that direction.
 

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Is this in reference to Tua? I don't follow other teams very closely, thanks in advance. His stats look decent for a rookie without a lot of offensive help last year, are folks kind of down on Tua after his rookie year? Thanks in advance.
I was listening to the Adam Beasley/Barry Jackson (Miami Herald writers) podcast this morning and one of them closed out by saying something along the lines of "no more excuses for Tua next season." It sounded ludicrous in lieu of all the extenuating circumstances, not to mention what excuses? But such is the attitude of some. I don't live in Florida so I don't have my finger on the pulse of the fan base, but hopefully they're smart and *gasp* patient enough to realize he is still very much in his development phase.

I mean, it's natural to have doubts based on what we've seen so far, but give me a break. More importantly, give him one.
 

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I was listening to the Adam Beasley/Barry Jackson (Miami Herald writers) podcast this morning and one of them closed out by saying something along the lines of "no more excuses for Tua next season." It sounded ludicrous in lieu of all the extenuating circumstances, not to mention what excuses? But such is the attitude of some. I don't live in Florida so I don't have my finger on the pulse of the fan base, but hopefully they're smart and *gasp* patient enough to realize he is still very much in his development phase.

I mean, it's natural to have doubts based on what we've seen so far, but give me a break. More importantly, give him one.
Some of the Miami beat writers have been absolutely gross in their coverage of Tua. Like borderline openly rooting for them to trade Tua for Watson or drafting another QB at 3.

I honestly think it’s because most of the beat writers really liked Fitz and didn’t agree with how Miami handled the handoff to Tua. Even if that’s the case, Fitz was always a stop gap and Tua was always going to be here beyond Fitz. Holding a grudge against Tua just feels bizarre and really soured me on guys like Beasley and Hyde.
 

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Some of the Miami beat writers have been absolutely gross in their coverage of Tua. Like borderline openly rooting for them to trade Tua for Watson or drafting another QB at 3.

I honestly think it’s because most of the beat writers really liked Fitz and didn’t agree with how Miami handled the handoff to Tua. Even if that’s the case, Fitz was always a stop gap and Tua was always going to be here beyond Fitz. Holding a grudge against Tua just feels bizarre and really soured me on guys like Beasley and Hyde.
Mando is all over the map at times, too. I feel like he often talks out of both sides of his mouth.

The thing with the Tua gamble is that, as most acknowledge, it was a reasonable gamble. I'm not sure how one can reasonably render judgement on it at this point. And as the Phins folks around here often point out, that gamble hinged on getting the right pieces around him. So here we sit. Let's see what Tua's numbers look like with a season under his belt, a healthier hip to scramble on, and Waddle and Fuller around to do something about that pathetic #30 YAC ranking.
 

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After seeing a few of the Day 2 mocks today, I feel slightly less anxious about Javonte Williams making it to Miami at 36. I think it becomes really dicey if they pass on him at 36 hoping he falls to 50. I just don’t want to have 2020 PTSD and watch someone draft him at 48 or 49.

I can see them staring at Teven Jenkins and wanting to pair him with Robert Hunt on the right side and complete the lineup of monsters on the line and taking him at 36. Dane Brugler’s Day 2 mock has Miami taking Williams at 36 and Jenkins at 50. I’m over the moon if Miami pulls those two in either order.
 
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I don’t even think it’s just the local media, the national coverage on Tua tends to be brutal too. It’s downright bizarre to me how he went from generational prospect to seemingly not an NFL QB after less than a year...and a year with plenty of reasonable explanations for his struggles at that.
It’s actually made me want to root for Tua even more. I hope he shuts everyone up.

With the local media I have to assume a lot of it comes from a desperate need for clicks. It’s the first take culture, and I assume those articles get more interaction than a reasoned argument. Especially considering this fan base...my head routinely wants to explode whenever I visit any general Dolphins fan comment section.
 

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I don’t even think it’s just the local media, the national coverage on Tua tends to be brutal too. It’s downright bizarre to me how he went from generational prospect to seemingly not an NFL QB after less than a year...and a year with plenty of reasonable explanations for his struggles at that.
It’s actually made me want to root for Tua even more. I hope he shuts everyone up.

With the local media I have to assume a lot of it comes from a desperate need for clicks. It’s the first take culture, and I assume those articles get more interaction than a reasoned argument. Especially considering this fan base...my head routinely wants to explode whenever I visit any general Dolphins fan comment section.
I’ll be rooting for him 15 weeks out of the season. I love his story. Feels like the hip injury changed everything with his perception.
 

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I’ll be rooting for him 15 weeks out of the season. I love his story. Feels like the hip injury changed everything with his perception.
Can’t wait for him to have two good games and then the media goes into full Tua redemption story mode.
 

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I don’t even think it’s just the local media, the national coverage on Tua tends to be brutal too. It’s downright bizarre to me how he went from generational prospect to seemingly not an NFL QB after less than a year...and a year with plenty of reasonable explanations for his struggles at that.
And coming off a major injury too.
 

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Sigh. God fucking dammit. Two years in a row. Chris Grier’s passive attitude toward the RB position when it’s a glaring hole is frustrating.

At this point, I assume we don’t see a RB until round 3. I would be fine with Trey Sermon. Michael Carter is the other UNC back that has some Gio Bernard or James White in his game

Jevon Holland is a very good safety that can play in the slot, can play single high, and is a ball hawk in the secondary. Probably a long term Bobby McCain replacement at FS.

Going to guess OT or Center with 50.

Edit: Miami traded up to take Liam Eichenberg. There’s the starting RT. Good pick.
 

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Just take good players. And it seems they got four good players who could start/contribute in meaningful ways this year. I never thought they'd take a RB this high
 

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Just take good players. And it seems they got four good players who could start/contribute in meaningful ways this year. I never thought they'd take a RB this high
I agree, and drafting for need is where teams begin to reach. Just frustrating to see the exact same scenario play out two years in a row now. Holland and Eichenberg are both very good players that will play significant snaps.

I’ll be happy if we end up with Trey Sermon in round 3.
 

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I hear you...and I feel that a team like Miami can have an identity defined by have a bruising running game. But Flores watched the Patriots run the ball with three headed backs
 

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I feel like not taking Trey Sermon and taking Hunter Long was to spite me personally.

Long is basically a better version of Durham Smythe. A more traditional Y TE that also lead the nation in receptions at TE last year (yes, including Kyle Pitts). Miami got to work with him at the Senior Bowl and Mel Kiper was pretty high on him, having him as the 2nd best TE in the draft.

3 picks remaining for Miami
 
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