Note this year's trade deadline is Friday, July 30.What will happen before the evening of the 31st?
Chaim has been crystal clear telegraphing that he's not sacrificing the long term to benefit the short term, even if this year's team has been consistently playing above its projections, which he may not have been planning for. It's also interesting that he has talked about acquisitions that could double-down on areas of strength (presumably bullpen) rather than areas of perceived need (like 1B). For me, even with Sale and others on their way back, you can't simply stand pat on this team. You have to reward what they've done with reinforcements, even if it's doubling down on areas of strength.Major League Baseball preferred to have the 4pm ET deadline fall on a day where afternoon games aren’t scheduled to take place, so as to avoid scenarios where players head out to the field as the hours until the deadline dwindle. Doing so eliminates some injury risk and uncomfortable scenarios where a player could be injured during play as a trade surrounding him is completed.
What's the ERod situation though? Sounds like it was likely nothing....Chaim’s been really quiet. I think the Erod situation requires a starter in addition to a 1B.
I think they find both in Miami.
I’m risk adverse when it comes to playoff starter health and am speculating. I know people who have had fatigue and vagueness last for months and months after COVID.What's the ERod situation though? Sounds like it was likely nothing....
I'm, as mentioned many-a-times before, not hugely optimistic about Duran and suspect his value is peaking right now. Obviously no way to prove it and I'm not letting a ridiculously small SSS after his recent call-up affect my feelings- I'm bullish on Jiminez and have held that he offers better long term value as a CF. There was a chance after '18 that we could have dealt Benintendi for Christian Yellich straight up ... hope to not make a similar mistake with Duran.I also think we’ll get a big fish, either Buxton, Scherzer, Marquez, Alcantara, Ketel Marte or Jose Ramirez. Castillo (per nvalvo’s idea above) is a good one too, but I figure the Reds still think they’re in it.
My spirited and admittedly wishcasty guess is we’ll get Byron Buxton and Michael Pineda from the Twins for Downs, Potts, Lugo and Aldo Ramirez, and Sandy Alcantara, Jesús Aguilar, and Richard Bleier from the Marlins for Duran, Dalbec and Chavis.
I won’t pretend to know our minor league system as well as some other folks but if Duran could fetch a big fish (no Marlins pun intended) then I’d definitely be open to selling high if we have someone else behind him at the same spot in the pipeline.I'm, as mentioned many-a-times before, not hugely optimistic about Duran and suspect his value is peaking right now. Obviously no way to prove it and I'm not letting a ridiculously small SSS after his recent call-up affect my feelings- I'm bullish on Jiminez and have held that he offers better long term value as a CF. There was a chance after '18 that we could have dealt Benintendi for Christian Yellich straight up ... hope to not make a similar mistake with Duran.
Given the coming roster crunch, I'd be pretty surprised if Bloom is that quiet at the deadline. We're about to lose a lot of value for nothing unless we we can transmute it into something else now.1B CJ Cron from Colorado for a pair of prospects.
One ~top 25 level the other a flyer. Won't take a lot, he's on a 1 year deal and there isnt a huge market for 1B out there
I see Bloom being very strategic. A deal like this helps address a real issue for the short term without significantly damaging the long term plans.
I think that he is going to argue that a September rotation of Sale, Eovaldi, E-Rod, Pivetta, and Houck is good enough (and he may be right).
Bullpen possible too though, but gut says he rolls with what they have there.
This is the what drives me nuts this time of year. We can't compare the Red Sox current needs to the current competition because the competition is likely to vastly improve. We normally didn't have to worry about the Rays in this scenario, but now even they are out to scare us.View: https://mobile.twitter.com/DanJFederico/status/1419706610310647817
If the Rays with Cruz and Scherzer get really scary. But no way they can afford Scherzer salary wise, right?
Yeah. I don't want to spend what it will take to get Scherzer but I also really don't want Tampa getting himI'm hoping for a quality starter with Perez and Richards (assuming they're still with the team) pushed to the bullpen - which no longer houses Workman or Rios.
This is the what drives me nuts this time of year. We can't compare the Red Sox current needs to the current competition because the competition is likely to vastly improve. We normally didn't have to worry about the Rays in this scenario, but now even they are out to scare us.
It'll be interesting to see what the Astros, Yankees, White Sox, Blue Jays, Mariners and...yes...the Tampa's do to improve their odds.
The Red Sox are a good team and they're a virtual lock for the playoffs. How much is it worth to try to improve the playoff roster...
Perhaps marginal upgrades are the correct approach. Let the other guys go nuts.
{Edit: The Red Sox have 26 of 58 post-deadline games remaining against that competition...almost half.}
For two months and $7M additional payroll?Freeman for Casas, Chavis and 2 pitching prospects, one highly rated, one lottery pick
Worth it if you get a titleFor two months and $7M additional payroll?
But there're other moving parts here. including the possibility of needing a starter and/or reliever and moving your possible future, cost controlled, first baseman.Worth it if you get a title
I will say this is from a local twins location. Pineda just sucks. Just plan sucks. Buxton is made of glass, but yea when he's hot he's hot. He also is requiring an extention if not a full contract from the twins. Neither of those is going to happen for the twins at what he expects. If you traded for Pineda for even one of those prospects you would be a fool.I also think we’ll get a big fish, either Buxton, Scherzer, Marquez, Alcantara, Ketel Marte or Jose Ramirez. Castillo (per nvalvo’s idea above) is a good one too, but I figure the Reds still think they’re in it.
My spirited and admittedly wishcasty guess is we’ll get Byron Buxton and Michael Pineda from the Twins for Downs, Potts, Lugo and Aldo Ramirez, and Sandy Alcantara, Jesús Aguilar, and Richard Bleier from the Marlins for Duran, Dalbec and Chavis.
But might that ask come down as the clock ticks and The Cubs risk getting nothing?Changing my vote to "no deals".
I think Bloom is not comfortable with any of the deals being discussed. While I do think the Sox really need to bring in an improvement at 1B, I think the Cubs are asking too much for Rizzo and/or Kimbrell. Cron is injured. Nats are asking too much for Scherzer, etc...
While I think this season has turned into a GFIN year... if the other teams are demanding too much for anyone... it doesn't make sense to risk long term for short term. I'm still comfortable with the team as presently constructed to go head to head with any other team in the league. Houck and Sale and Duran as "additions" will be just as good as any other team's additions.
I still think he adds a 1B but I’ve alway felt it was more likely to be a league-average one than a stud like Rizzo, because of the point you bring up: acquisition cost. Just getting average production out of that position would represent a massive upgrade and really improve the overall lineup. A masher there would be fantastic, of course, but I don’t know that it’s a necessity.Changing my vote to "no deals".
I think Bloom is not comfortable with any of the deals being discussed. While I do think the Sox really need to bring in an improvement at 1B, I think the Cubs are asking too much for Rizzo and/or Kimbrell. Cron is injured. Nats are asking too much for Scherzer, etc...
While I think this season has turned into a GFIN year... if the other teams are demanding too much for anyone... it doesn't make sense to risk long term for short term. I'm still comfortable with the team as presently constructed to go head to head with any other team in the league. Houck and Sale and Duran as "additions" will be just as good as any other team's additions.
Agreed. The lowest-hanging fruit is an average-ish 1b to lengthen the lineup. A middling prospect is totally worth that in a year where the post-season is in their sights.I still think he adds a 1B but I’ve alway felt it was more likely to be a league-average one than a stud like Rizzo, because of the point you bring up: acquisition cost. Just getting average production out of that position would represent a massive upgrade and really improve the overall lineup. A masher there would be fantastic, of course, but I don’t know that it’s a necessity.
Rizzo is not a stud anymore, which is why he makes sense. With the lack of demand for 1B in the market, his cost shouldn't be crazy high in the end. Rep only costs so much. Not a heck of a lot of difference between him and Cron right now. Either is fine by me.I still think he adds a 1B but I’ve alway felt it was more likely to be a league-average one than a stud like Rizzo, because of the point you bring up: acquisition cost. Just getting average production out of that position would represent a massive upgrade and really improve the overall lineup. A masher there would be fantastic, of course, but I don’t know that it’s a necessity.
A quick look at Baseball Reference tells me that you are correct. I hadn’t realized that he’d declined over the past couple of seasons. Let’s hope that either the Cubs are indeed posturing and will come down in the asking price, or that other clubs will be looking for less for a good-ish 1B.Rizzo is not a stud anymore, which is why he makes sense. With the lack of demand at for 1B in the market, his cost shouldn't be crazy high in the end. Rep only costs so much. Not a heck of a lot of difference between him and Cron right now. Either is fine by me.
I'm also hopeful that an average 1B not only lengthens the line up but also might see a boost in production when inserted into this lineup.Agreed. The lowest-hanging fruit is an average-ish 1b to lengthen the lineup. A middling prospect is totally worth that in a year where the post-season is in their sights.
Curious who Bloom sendsI'll put my marker down:
1B Santana
SP Gray (Jon)
Gray should available, yes? Only about $2M left on his contract. A bit inconsistent from season to season, but currently having the best era and whip numbers of his career.I'll put my marker down:
1B Santana
SP Gray (Jon)