Annual NFL Coaching Carousel
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Kubiak seems like a decent guy, and I know he hasnt been entirely healthy, but his coaching has been dubious at best this year
bsj said:
Its been pretty average his entire time there except the last 2 years. They have held on to him long enough.
Rumors are they're going to go after Bob Stoops, who (in my opinion) would be insane to take the job.
I sort of feel for Kubiak. He took the Texans to the playoffs two years in a row and seemed poised to make it three. Hell, they were AFC Super Bowl favorites at some point last year. Then Schaub fell apart and the rest of the team followed suit. The NFL is a fickle place.
I sort of feel for Kubiak. He took the Texans to the playoffs two years in a row and seemed poised to make it three. Hell, they were AFC Super Bowl favorites at some point last year. Then Schaub fell apart and the rest of the team followed suit. The NFL is a fickle place.
jsinger121 said:
I'm sure he just said this to make sure the team does not completley quit on Wade. If you say that Phillips doesn't have a chance to be the full-time head coach, than it basically says that they are no longer trying to win games, which of course is a big no-no to say publically. I highly doubt they will go that route, but it was more of a PR move by McNair.
dynomite said:
Doesn't this reflect on Kubiak though? I felt bad for the guy when he had the health scare but the second he threw Schaub back out on the field when the team was sniffing a win I lost all respect for the guy. He benched Schaub (right or wrong) and brought in Keenum, who had the only real chance to save Kubiak's job. My thought being the Texans would only keep Kubiak beyond this year if he showed he could coach Keenum up. Then when he smelled a win he brought Schaub back into the mix, essentially fucking Keenum and the future direction of the team in the process.
All for one wi..loss.
dynomite said:
I don't see why Kubiak deserves much sympathy. The team was brimming with talent this year, but couldn't convert that talent into wins on the field. That falls on the coach. The Texans didn't seem to make many halftime adjustments this year and subsequently blew several leads that should have been wins (The Pats game being 1 of them, Seattle the best example). You even had somebody like Reed saying the team was getting out coached.
Kubiak shepherded this team decently until they were expected to make the leap. But if you ask your average Texans fan what was holding this team back, your most likely response would be Kubiak, and second most likely would be Schaub.
With both those guys gone, this team could contend next year...assuming they solve the QB problem through Bridgewater or someone else from the draft.
I actually think it's a good thing for Kubiak to get canned. It doesn't seem healthy for a guy who just sustained a stroke to be holding the responsibilities of an NFL coach. I'm not a doctor though, but that's just my 2 cents.
Why would Stoops be insane to take the job?dynomite said:
As NFL coaching vacancies go, this actually looks like a pretty good one to me. They are really strong favorites for the #1 pick so you're getting a team with legitimate talent on both sides of the ball, Teddy Bridgewater to build around, and a pretty decent ownership group (track record of spending money, being relatively patient with coaches, and not interfering too much in football decisions). You could certainly do a lot worse in terms of potential NFL openings.
The Texans are very similar to KC of last year. Likely to get the first overall pick with talent on both sides of the ball.
It's just my personal bias, and it has nothing to do with the Texans. I just think jumping to the NFL from a cushy college coaching job is insane.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Stoops makes ~$5 million/year and has nearly total job security to coach Oklahoma, where he and his team are worshipped statewide. He's probably the biggest celebrity in Oklahoma, not to mention pulling down another $200K+/year on the lecture circuit as a big time college coach. As opposed to the weekly grind of the Parity NFL, the Sooners play only a) a 12-game season (plus a bowl game), and b) a handful of competitive games per year, guaranteeing that the team will almost never truly bottom out. Also, because it's college, there's no salary cap, so he can keep his teams together for four years at a time, and my impression is that fans are generally satisfied if the team gets to a "good" Bowl.
I think it would be insane to give that up for an NFL head coaching gig in which there's famously little job security, just about every team's roster is equally talented, and success is generally measured in Super Bowls.
Again, personal preference. And I say this as an NFL fan who doesn't even watch college football because I have no rooting interest. I just think people like Greg Schiano have a great thing going in college and, more often than not, end up regretting it if they chase greener grass.
EDIT: Also, I know less than nothing about Oklahoma, so I'm sure there's some hyperbole. For instance, I'm sure Oklahoma State folks are not Stoops fans. Also, I know Oklahoma wears red and Oklahoma State wears orange... and black?
Shanahan was ready to quit after last season due to RGIII-Snyder relationship
I hate myself for being surprised by this story. I honestly wonder if he'll last until Monday. God only knows where the Redskins can go from here. If Snyder can't stay out of a guy like Shanahan's way, I don't see how there's hope for any coach.
I hate myself for being surprised by this story. I honestly wonder if he'll last until Monday. God only knows where the Redskins can go from here. If Snyder can't stay out of a guy like Shanahan's way, I don't see how there's hope for any coach.
Bump -- 1 week to go, and lots of candidates up for the annual carousel.
Pats old OC Bill O'Brien may take one of those jobs, especially after Penn State agreed to reduce the NFL buyout:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10180138/bill-obrien-nfl-buyout-penn-state-nittany-lions-reduced
One of the more interesting is O'Brien to the Lions -- a team that has a lot of talent on both sides of the ball but annually one of the most undisciplined teams around.
Yahoo! Sports reports the cost may be $18m to ditch the last 2 years of Schwartz' contract and buy out BO:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/lions-ditching-jim-schwartz-hiring-bill-o-brien-194006461--nfl.html
Pats old OC Bill O'Brien may take one of those jobs, especially after Penn State agreed to reduce the NFL buyout:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10180138/bill-obrien-nfl-buyout-penn-state-nittany-lions-reduced
One of the more interesting is O'Brien to the Lions -- a team that has a lot of talent on both sides of the ball but annually one of the most undisciplined teams around.
Yahoo! Sports reports the cost may be $18m to ditch the last 2 years of Schwartz' contract and buy out BO:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/lions-ditching-jim-schwartz-hiring-bill-o-brien-194006461--nfl.html
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet6m
Said on @NFL_ATL Live: Penn St. coach Bill O’Brien is high on #Texans radar. The plan between the 2 sides was to have an interview post-XMas
Said on @NFL_ATL Live: Penn St. coach Bill O’Brien is high on #Texans radar. The plan between the 2 sides was to have an interview post-XMas
Resident Pats fan & NFL.com chief editor Gregg Rosenthal also chimes in re: BoB and the Texans:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000304446/article/bill-obrien-houston-texans-agree-to-interview?campaign=Twitter_atl
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000304446/article/bill-obrien-houston-texans-agree-to-interview?campaign=Twitter_atl
Here's my take, in descending order of likelihood that the position will actually be vacant.
Texans (open). There's zero chance Wade Philips will get the job on a permanent basis.
Indigenous Persons (Mike Shanahan). His relationships with the owner and the franchise QB are in tatters. It's surprising he has lasted this long.
Lions (Jim Schwartz). The Lions are a badly constructed team -- the massive contracts given to Megatron, Stafford, and Suh are a hindrance, and only one of the three is worth the money -- but management obviously buys the conventional wisdom that the team has underachieved, so Schwartz is as good as gone.
Titans (Mike Munchak). The Titans overachieved by going 6-10 last season. This year's team was much better, but the end result is similar, and I expect ownership's patience is at an end.
Vikings (Leslie Frazier). Last season's playoff berth looks like an aberration, and the desire to field a contender while Adrian Peterson is still in his prime is strong. It isn't Frazier's fault that Ponder sucks, but I think ownership is out of patience.
Bucs (Greg Schiano). He's owed a lot of money, and the CW says Glennon's emergence has bought him a year to prove that Josh Freeman was the problem, but my gut says Schiano is gone.
Jets. (Rex Ryan). Rex's fate has been discussed ad nauseam in the Jets' thread. I think the odds of him getting canned are somewhere around 50/50.
Raiders (Dennis Allen). Al Davis is dead, and the people advising his son are urging him to be patient with the rebuilding process. Perhaps that patience won't extend to the current head coach, but my hunch is that Allen will get another year to show some results.
Cowboys (Jason Garrett). Jerry Jones has said Garrett is safe, sort of -- if you parse his words, they're something less than definitive.
Dolphins (Joe Philbin). There's a non-zero chance of house cleaning in Miami, but I think Philbin is safe.
Falcons (Mike Smith). SoSH didn't think much of Smith even when the Falcons were flying high, but all signs suggest ownership still has confidence in him.
Giants, Steelers, Jaguars, Browns. Intentionally omitted, despite disappointing seasons. Coughlin and Tomlin have a lot of rope, on account of their jewelry, and first-year GMs in JAX and CLE won't want to admit they whiffed on their first major decision.
Texans (open). There's zero chance Wade Philips will get the job on a permanent basis.
Indigenous Persons (Mike Shanahan). His relationships with the owner and the franchise QB are in tatters. It's surprising he has lasted this long.
Lions (Jim Schwartz). The Lions are a badly constructed team -- the massive contracts given to Megatron, Stafford, and Suh are a hindrance, and only one of the three is worth the money -- but management obviously buys the conventional wisdom that the team has underachieved, so Schwartz is as good as gone.
Titans (Mike Munchak). The Titans overachieved by going 6-10 last season. This year's team was much better, but the end result is similar, and I expect ownership's patience is at an end.
Vikings (Leslie Frazier). Last season's playoff berth looks like an aberration, and the desire to field a contender while Adrian Peterson is still in his prime is strong. It isn't Frazier's fault that Ponder sucks, but I think ownership is out of patience.
Bucs (Greg Schiano). He's owed a lot of money, and the CW says Glennon's emergence has bought him a year to prove that Josh Freeman was the problem, but my gut says Schiano is gone.
Jets. (Rex Ryan). Rex's fate has been discussed ad nauseam in the Jets' thread. I think the odds of him getting canned are somewhere around 50/50.
Raiders (Dennis Allen). Al Davis is dead, and the people advising his son are urging him to be patient with the rebuilding process. Perhaps that patience won't extend to the current head coach, but my hunch is that Allen will get another year to show some results.
Cowboys (Jason Garrett). Jerry Jones has said Garrett is safe, sort of -- if you parse his words, they're something less than definitive.
Dolphins (Joe Philbin). There's a non-zero chance of house cleaning in Miami, but I think Philbin is safe.
Falcons (Mike Smith). SoSH didn't think much of Smith even when the Falcons were flying high, but all signs suggest ownership still has confidence in him.
Giants, Steelers, Jaguars, Browns. Intentionally omitted, despite disappointing seasons. Coughlin and Tomlin have a lot of rope, on account of their jewelry, and first-year GMs in JAX and CLE won't want to admit they whiffed on their first major decision.
I don't really understand Dennis Allen being on the hot seat. Seems to me he got pretty good results out of an undermanned squad. I only saw them 3 or 4 times this year, but they played hard and seemed to have good schemes...this for a club that was considered a favorite for the #1 overall during the preseason.
I don't know much about the Titans HC, MM. I do know that Leslie Frazier is constantly the punchline of bad coaching jokes on football outsiders. From the 2 or 3 games I've seen I have to agree. The guy seems pretty incompetent. Unless MM is a total dunce I'd have to think a bone head like Frazier would go first.
I believe the beef with Allen is the Raiders had several winnable games in which they were leading and let slip away (Giants, Cowboys and Titans games.) Plus he is supposed to be a defensive coach and his team allowed 37 points to the Jets and 56 to the Chiefs. My feeling is the Raiders lost those games because the other team had better personnel and it eventually showed. I think he has had a lousy roster ready to play every week, I like the guy.Tony C said:
The chances of this happening are no more than 1 in 100, but it would be delicious and entirely image altering if Snyder told Shanny and "Robert" (as he is known here) that they had to co-exist at least for the last year of Shanny's contract.
Here's is the backdrop -- for 3 weeks at least, Shanahan has been doing his best to get fired, so he can collect $7 MM for kicking around his 35,000 sf Colorado house next season. It is estimated that if Snyder cleans coaching house, it will cost him $15 MM when the salaries of the assistants are added in.
RGIII meanwhile, has been providing his very best passive/aggressive douchebag rendition, bringing a sense of entitlement to everything well beyond what Brady and Manning would ever consider. In "Robert's" defense, that sense of entitlement has been fueled by jock sniffing, star struck Snyder.
So for Snyder to say, *you fuckers are employees, do your job as you are paid to*, would be awesome.
Here's is the backdrop -- for 3 weeks at least, Shanahan has been doing his best to get fired, so he can collect $7 MM for kicking around his 35,000 sf Colorado house next season. It is estimated that if Snyder cleans coaching house, it will cost him $15 MM when the salaries of the assistants are added in.
RGIII meanwhile, has been providing his very best passive/aggressive douchebag rendition, bringing a sense of entitlement to everything well beyond what Brady and Manning would ever consider. In "Robert's" defense, that sense of entitlement has been fueled by jock sniffing, star struck Snyder.
So for Snyder to say, *you fuckers are employees, do your job as you are paid to*, would be awesome.
Of the jobs open or likely-to-be-open, what's the best opportunity? I realize Houston is obvious but if Mike Smith goes in Atlanta, that might be the job with the most immediate upside because the QB is already in place.
As always, working for Snyder makes the Washington job the worst job available.
As always, working for Snyder makes the Washington job the worst job available.
ATL would be a great job, but I think there's almost a zero percent chance that Mike Smith is fired.
Of the jobs open or likely-to-be-open, what's the best opportunity? I realize Houston is obvious but if Mike Smith goes in Atlanta, that might be the job with the most immediate upside because the QB is already in place.
As always, working for Snyder makes the Washington job the worst job available.
I would vote Tampa Bay as the best opportunity, but none of them are enticing.
I don't think Houston is a quick fix. Like the Chiefs last year, they are a talented team that has been undone by atrocious QB play and questionable coaching. Unlike the Chiefs, however, they are going to hand the reins to a rookie QB rather than trading for a proven veteran. Also, the Texans' core is older than KC's was; by the time Houston is ready to contend, several key players (Johnson, Joseph, Foster) will be too old to contribute, and the Texans' young talent (most notably, J.J. Watt) will either be elsewhere or extremely expensive. A coach who wins in Houston would be the toast of the town, but I don't foresee that happening quickly.
Washington will likely have a healthy RG3, plus money under the cap now that the league sanctions are behind them. If it weren't for Snyder, that would be the best job that's likely to become available, but Snyder's presence obviously makes it unattractive.
As always, working for Snyder makes the Washington job the worst job available.
I would vote Tampa Bay as the best opportunity, but none of them are enticing.
I don't think Houston is a quick fix. Like the Chiefs last year, they are a talented team that has been undone by atrocious QB play and questionable coaching. Unlike the Chiefs, however, they are going to hand the reins to a rookie QB rather than trading for a proven veteran. Also, the Texans' core is older than KC's was; by the time Houston is ready to contend, several key players (Johnson, Joseph, Foster) will be too old to contribute, and the Texans' young talent (most notably, J.J. Watt) will either be elsewhere or extremely expensive. A coach who wins in Houston would be the toast of the town, but I don't foresee that happening quickly.
Washington will likely have a healthy RG3, plus money under the cap now that the league sanctions are behind them. If it weren't for Snyder, that would be the best job that's likely to become available, but Snyder's presence obviously makes it unattractive.
Corsi said:
One minor quibble Maufman; there is nobody in JAX who thinks Gus Bradley isn't absolutely the right man for the job now and going forward.
Caldwell obviously knew this year's team would be a train wreck, and perhaps next year's club also. So when he plucked Bradley from relative obscurity (a couple good years as Seattle's DC, but not much else) to coach the Jags, I felt he was there for a season or two to keep the seat warm until Caldwell's preferred coach could take the reins, after prior management's mistakes had been purged. I agree that Bradley has done well enough to be back next season, but I'm still not convinced that Caldwell thinks Bradley is the right coach for the long term.
Caldwell obviously knew this year's team would be a train wreck, and perhaps next year's club also. So when he plucked Bradley from relative obscurity (a couple good years as Seattle's DC, but not much else) to coach the Jags, I felt he was there for a season or two to keep the seat warm until Caldwell's preferred coach could take the reins, after prior management's mistakes had been purged. I agree that Bradley has done well enough to be back next season, but I'm still not convinced that Caldwell thinks Bradley is the right coach for the long term.
I think the Raiders will look at their options and then make the call on Allen. If Rex gets canned in New York or David Shaw wants to work where his dad had his most success or Chucky is willing to get back into Coaching, Allen is likely gone. If none of those options are available, I don't think Marc Davis lets Reggie spend his money on two coaches.
As with everything with the Raiders these days, cash is a big part of it, I don't know how much cash they have to waste on two coaches. That is, of course, driven by the stadium issues.
As with everything with the Raiders these days, cash is a big part of it, I don't know how much cash they have to waste on two coaches. That is, of course, driven by the stadium issues.
Obviously you're entitled to your opinion. Every bit of evidence leans to the contrary though. The greatest of which are the constant quotes about Bradley being not just a coach who is supposed to bring excitement to a young team but also a culture creator. He has done that and done it rather quickly and noticeably. Something would have to go horribly wrong and backwards for him to not be here in 2-3 years.maufman said:
My apologies for not including a link to the above mentioned quotes. Can't link from my phone. Local radio does a weekly interview with him and he constantly brings this point up.
Of the jobs open or likely-to-be-open, what's the best opportunity? I realize Houston is obvious but if Mike Smith goes in Atlanta, that might be the job with the most immediate upside because the QB is already in place.
As always, working for Snyder makes the Washington job the worst job available.
I would want the Lions job. Great roster, young QB that has skills but needs discipline and better fundamentals. The other teams in the division are not good at all on defense. Seems like a quick fix.
As always, working for Snyder makes the Washington job the worst job available.
I would want the Lions job. Great roster, young QB that has skills but needs discipline and better fundamentals. The other teams in the division are not good at all on defense. Seems like a quick fix.
Obviously you're entitled to your opinion. Every bit of evidence leans to the contrary though. The greatest of which are the constant quotes about Bradley being not just a coach who is supposed to bring excitement to a young team but also a culture creator. He has done that and done it rather quickly and noticeably. Something would have to go horribly wrong and backwards for him to not be here in 2-3 years.
My apologies for not including a link to the above mentioned quotes. Can't link from my phone. Local radio does a weekly interview with him and he constantly brings this point up.
Don't apologize for anything; this is a great post.
I think the Jags have overachieved this season. They could improve a lot next season and still finish with only 5-6 wins. Caldwell has a mandate to take the long view, so maybe he'll be that patient.
My apologies for not including a link to the above mentioned quotes. Can't link from my phone. Local radio does a weekly interview with him and he constantly brings this point up.
Don't apologize for anything; this is a great post.
I think the Jags have overachieved this season. They could improve a lot next season and still finish with only 5-6 wins. Caldwell has a mandate to take the long view, so maybe he'll be that patient.
I would want the Lions job. Great roster, young QB that has skills but needs discipline and better fundamentals. The other teams in the division are not good at all on defense. Seems like a quick fix.
Obliviously biased but I agree , I think they have the most talent of any of the teams that will be looking for a HC. Strong offensive and Defensive lines , elite WR , QB with a lot of potential. Only real glaring needs are another WR and some help in the secondary. The 2 guys I've heard the most buzz about so far were O'Brien and Ken Whisenhunt. Obviously the focus is to find someone to work with Stafford, Whisenhunt seems to have a pretty good track record turning guys around (Warner and Rivers). Although the 12M Schwartz is owed is a ton of money to pay to fire someone, I wouldn't expect it to stop them from bringing in someone they really like. The Fords actually aren't cheap when it comes to the team and it wasn't that long ago when they paid Mariucci 10M to go away
Obliviously biased but I agree , I think they have the most talent of any of the teams that will be looking for a HC. Strong offensive and Defensive lines , elite WR , QB with a lot of potential. Only real glaring needs are another WR and some help in the secondary. The 2 guys I've heard the most buzz about so far were O'Brien and Ken Whisenhunt. Obviously the focus is to find someone to work with Stafford, Whisenhunt seems to have a pretty good track record turning guys around (Warner and Rivers). Although the 12M Schwartz is owed is a ton of money to pay to fire someone, I wouldn't expect it to stop them from bringing in someone they really like. The Fords actually aren't cheap when it comes to the team and it wasn't that long ago when they paid Mariucci 10M to go away
Washington Post reporting that Shanny is gone tomorrow.
EDIT http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/29/redskins-expected-to-fire-shanahan/?hpid=z1
EDIT http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/29/redskins-expected-to-fire-shanahan/?hpid=z1
Is it possible the Raiders job is actually attractive for the first time in a decade or two? No more working for Al. They finally have cap room for the first time in forever (I believe they have the most in the NFL this offseason; something like 50-70 million) and all of their draft picks for once.
It's still Oakland, though, with the worst stadium in the NFL, and they still don't seem to have a QB, unless McGloin can be the guy.
It's still Oakland, though, with the worst stadium in the NFL, and they still don't seem to have a QB, unless McGloin can be the guy.