To some. Others thought it would be once Kemba left and they could sign a 3rd max guy. The plan is to trade for that guy now.nope
Or just hope we get really lucky in player development.
To some. Others thought it would be once Kemba left and they could sign a 3rd max guy. The plan is to trade for that guy now.nope
I'm happy to be singled out, and I'll be glad to be called out by any of the posters who are more cynical about this roster/coach/etc if I'm proven wrong, it's part of the fun of posting here.No I hear ya and don’t mean to single out you even though you are who I’m responding toward. I was referring to a much larger group using the excuse angle.
I mean, you're probably 100% right about this in an abstract, talent acquisition sense. I feel like they would have to be significantly out of contention to trade Schroder, or be blown away by an absurd offer. I've never been one of the folks who think Tatum and Brown would leave Boston as a free agent or demand a trade, but just don't think it sends a great message to those guys if you're trading veteran contributors, even if you're a few games out.I don't disagree with much of what you said BUT the "trade Schroder" idea is trying to maximize assets in a year when the odds are very long on the Celtics even making the EC Finals. Haven't we've seen enough assets walk away for nothing, while we wishcast?
I think these are all fair points. But, this season is also weird. I feel like players are adjusting to how the game is being officiated now, a lot of great players are off to bad starts, and I'm not yet willing to admit that that will all continue indefinitely. I want to see a five-game stretch where Jayson Tatum plays like Jayson Tatum before I make any pronouncements about this season. I don't think they're a championship team (how many championship teams in recent memory had a 23 year old as their best player?), but it's still unclear to me exactly what they are. I don't really see how anyone can be sure, unless they made their mind up about this team previously.PLUS it's going to take longer than this season to adapt to IME's style/system. He's a rookie HC that is learning on the job and developing his style. No legitimate poster is saying IME should be fired.
To be clear, I like what Brad did in his first offseason on the job quite a bit. I was high on the team this year and was excited to play their Season Win Total to the Over until I heard Ime share his ideas on how he would utilize his roster.I'm happy to be singled out, and I'll be glad to be called out by any of the posters who are more cynical about this roster/coach/etc if I'm proven wrong, it's part of the fun of posting here.
Getting Smart and Richardson on the court at the same time and on the same page is helping the team focus better on D. Richardson gets a little better each game.Cavs shot 38.6% from the field and were lucky to have that given that the Cs chose to live with Rubio Island for most of the night and Ricky made them pay. Udoka and company have this team playing at a very high level defensively.
On the broadcast (before TL's injury) Scal mentioned they were going to play TL and Horford together a little lessTo be clear, I like what Brad did in his first offseason on the job quite a bit. I was high on the team this year and was excited to play their Season Win Total to the Over until I heard Ime share his ideas on how he would utilize his roster.
I'm with you and HRB on this. I understand where Ime is coming from to an extent, but having TL start and Horford first off the bench makes the most sense to me.On the broadcast (before TL's injury) Scal mentioned they were going to play TL and Horford together a little less
I'm old enough to remember when many people confidently declared that the 2019-2020 season was a bridge year, and that team turned out to be one of the best in the NBA.I thought last year was a bridge year to this year, when the Jays we’re going to be ready to lead and be at their peak. That’s been pushed back to next year?
This. At first glance, it doesn't look like there are any superteams out there. I'd like to see an extended period where JT and JB play together plus the Cs play top-5 defense.The offense blows. If its best offensive player can not suck, and the 2nd-best player can play at all, it could get decent. Long way to go, and probably not enough to be more than an ECF contender, but stranger things have happened (like last season, when elite D + 2 good offensive players would have been a title contender).
The Warriors are looking pretty super, honestly. Steph is insane, as usual, and they've put together a good cast of role players with a strong defensive identity.This. At first glance, it doesn't look like there are any superteams out there.
No Wiseman yet, either.The Warriors are looking pretty super, honestly. Steph is insane, as usual, and they've put together a good cast of role players with a strong defensive identity.
And that's without Klay!
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/y/youngtr01.htmlIs there something about the way Tatum drives/finishes that leads to him not getting foul calls?
Maybe playing him 107 minutes in a 3-game window covering 72 hours wasn’t a good idea, Ime? We saw this coming with 45 min on opening night for a guy with chronic lower body (hip & knee) issues. The hits keep on coming with Ime. Good grief.Rob Williams felt "sharp pain" in his left knee. Even if there's no structural damage, sounds like an extended rest to me. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.
https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/11/15/22784365/robert-williams-out-for-remainder-of-game-vs-cleveland-cavaliers-boston-celtics
I agree that TL's minutes has been befuddling to me. I mean 41 minutes on opening night (as many indicated) was super-surprising. While Brad the GM I'm sure doesn't micromanage minutes on an in-game basis, Brad the GM surely has input into how players are used. Surely he and Ime has discussed how TL is to be used.Maybe playing him 107 minutes in a 3-game window covering 72 hours wasn’t a good idea, Ime? We saw this coming with 45 min on opening night for a guy with chronic lower body (hip & knee) issues. The hits keep on coming with Ime. Good grief.
You mean a covid year that we are told to ignore unless it has a positive impact on the C's?I'm old enough to remember when many people confidently declared that the 2019-2020 season was a bridge year, and that team turned out to be one of the best in the NBA.
I think Tatum’s constant whinging after every call he doesn’t get does not help matters. I also think his styleIs there something about the way Tatum drives/finishes that leads to him not getting foul calls?
Yea, I'd really love to see Horford and TL's energy each playing a crisp 24mpg.Maybe playing him 107 minutes in a 3-game window covering 72 hours wasn’t a good idea, Ime? We saw this coming with 45 min on opening night for a guy with chronic lower body (hip & knee) issues. The hits keep on coming with Ime. Good grief.
Because he can't hurt Marcus' feelings and take him out of the starting lineup. Same reason Brad wouldn't reign Marcus in.Yea, I'd really love to see Horford and TL's energy each playing a crisp 24mpg.
It would be one of the most productive Center combos in the NBA
Ime already said Schroder goes back to the bench once Brown returns...why????
Could go smaller with Richardson but yeah, should be DS or JRich.Because he can't hurt Marcus' feelings and take him out of the starting lineup. Same reason Brad wouldn't reign Marcus in.
If TL is out for a significant amount of time, and Jaylen is replacing DS in the lineup, who is Ime going to start instead? Grant? Makes no fucking sense....
Incredible. That’s all I can say….incredible.Yea, I'd really love to see Horford and TL's energy each playing a crisp 24mpg.
It would be one of the most productive Center combos in the NBA
Ime already said Schroder goes back to the bench once Brown returns...why????
Without looking it up, in how many of the last 4 games did Schroder have more assists than turnovers?Ime already said Schroder goes back to the bench once Brown returns...why????
I'm going with zero but I still like him a lot on this team.Without looking it up, in how many of the last 4 games did Schroder have more assists than turnovers?
How many clutch plays did he have in the last two minutes last night?Without looking it up, in how many of the last 4 games did Schroder have more assists than turnovers?
I hear ya, fits right in with the rest. The turnovers are maddeningWithout looking it up, in how many of the last 4 games did Schroder have more assists than turnovers?
The slimmed-down version is much better, he could barely move last season.Surprising that Grant has been the best of the recent draftees thus far.
And depressing. 5 or 6 1st round picks in that period too, depending how you classify the Kanter trade.Surprising that Grant has been the best of the recent draftees thus far.
we really need for those guys to improve in order to add another pieceAnd depressing. 5 or 6 1st round picks in that period too, depending how you classify the Kanter trade.
The burning of that draft capital (still no reason to trade a 1st along with Kanter) is going to haunt this team. Even adding the pieces you note above does not change the fact that the team's ceiling with Tatum/Brown appears to be 4/5 seed at best, and the capital they do have is not nearly enough to trade for a star unless said star forces his way here.we really need for those guys to improve in order to add another piece
Jerami Grant or Christian Wood may be available by trade deadline. It would be nice if PBS didn't have to completely empty the draft cupboard. Otherwise Thaddeus Young may be the best option or Slo-Mo if Memphis fades.
There were logical hard tax reasons for including the nearly always worthless 30th pick to rid themselves of Kanter’s contract once he exercised his option. People have to stop thinking that Ainge was going to select Bane. He was one of the first guys Ainge interviewed during the draft process along with Xavier Tillman and Tyrell Terry and those were the only conversation he had with Bane. For all we know, he was doing his due diligence if one of them dropped well into the 2nd round. There isn’t any evidence that he was impressed enough to complicate their tax issue while guaranteeing him multiple years.The burning of that draft capital (still no reason to trade a 1st along with Kanter) is going to haunt this team. Even adding the pieces you note above does not change the fact that the team's ceiling with Tatum/Brown appears to be 4/5 seed at best, and the capital they do have is not nearly enough to trade for a star unless said star forces his way here.
If you were running the Cs, you wouldn't be paying the tax for Kanter and the 30th draft pick.The burning of that draft capital (still no reason to trade a 1st along with Kanter) is going to haunt this team. Even adding the pieces you note above does not change the fact that the team's ceiling with Tatum/Brown appears to be 4/5 seed at best, and the capital they do have is not nearly enough to trade for a star unless said star forces his way here.
This may be the case but nobody can change history. Feel free to discuss how badly they messed up but talking about it doesn't change anything.It's not even that they missed Bane at 30. It's that they had another 5 picks and not much to show for it.
And eventually these type of players do move the needle. Maybe not individually, but if you combine enough of them. If they didn't, you could just surround Tatum and Brown with whoever you wanted.
People here think the C's would have another title if Perkins didn't get injured. Needle mover Kendrick Perkins.
This is a fair take imo. Anyone who was arguing pre-draft for Bane or Quickley, I have no problen with them roostering a bit here. But most weren't.It's not even that they missed Bane at 30. It's that they had another 5 picks and not much to show for it.
And eventually these type of players do move the needle. Maybe not individually, but if you combine enough of them. If they didn't, you could just surround Tatum and Brown with whoever you wanted.
People here think the C's would have another title if Perkins didn't get injured. Needle mover Kendrick Perkins.
My complaints on Ainge drafting mid to late 1st wasn’t so much about the misses but the lack of upside in those misses. Don’t miss on a Sullinger or a Pritchard when you are staring at their upside right in front of you. Miss on a freak athlete projection like a Begarin (or my beloved Gobert from prior years) to where you have a chance to a guy to grow into his length and athleticism (aka upside) on the cheap. Hopefully Brad’s choice of Begarin signals an end to the “safe” picks that are akin to kicking a FG on 4th and 3 when you’re down 5 in rhe 4Q.This is a fair take imo. Anyone who was arguing pre-draft for Bane or Quickley, I have no problen with them roostering a bit here. But most weren't.
Overall complaints about some guy drafted that low are nonsense. If 25 other teams pass on a player, why are we dwelling on the miss. Everyone missed. However, expected value on 2 late lottery and 4 late firsts HAS to be better than what we got. It's a weakness of the later Ainge regime. I don't see the counterargument here. It's part of why we're on season 2 of abject mediocrity, possibly season 3 if not for the bubble.
Brad has at least shuffled parts to enable trades, and Begarin looks like a nice megabucks ticket given draft position. Maybe PBS performs better with mid-firsts than DA did. Hope so, because it looks like what we're gonna have for the foreseeable future.
The counterargument is that you are assuming Expected Value without showing your work.However, expected value on 2 late lottery and 4 late firsts HAS to be better than what we got. It's a weakness of the later Ainge regime. I don't see the counterargument here.
Is his return imminent? Back for the homestand?Not surprised that they opt not to bring Jaylen back in Atlanta.