Most interesting note in there is the bit about the exec who says Ime is leaning hard on vets and playing guys big minutes, but he thinks it's just a new coach pressing and he'll get better. It's not just this board that has noticed that his rotations are not great.
Boy, that Sengun note kinda bites. He’s a guy who I kinda like.Most interesting note in there is the bit about the exec who says Ime is leaning hard on vets and playing guys big minutes, but he thinks it's just a new coach pressing and he'll get better. It's not just this board that has noticed that his rotations are not great.
I was going to say this is nuts, but I think Jaylen lucks out a bit that he is listed as a guard. If he was frontcourt, I think he would have zero chanceJaylen has a $500k bonus for playing 65 games so he can only miss 3 more games without losing out on that. His all star bonus of $1.5 million only kicks in if he also plays those 65 games. I think it is 50/50 that he makes the all-star team currently. There are plenty of injuries and he's an obvious choice as a replacement player. The Cs won't know for sure about the incentives until well after the deadline. So is ownership going to gamble the luxury tax on Jaylen not being healthy, or are they going to push hard to cut salary and leave the team understaffed in case he hits his incentives?
Rookie Head Coach is pressing with heavy vet minutes. Straight from the CellarMost interesting note in there is the bit about the exec who says Ime is leaning hard on vets and playing guys big minutes, but he thinks it's just a new coach pressing and he'll get better. It's not just this board that has noticed that his rotations are not great.
Sengun has looked legit from Day 1Boy, that Sengun note kinda bites. He’s a guy who I kinda like.
This fake trade brings to mind a completely unrelated question. A Schroeder for Jalen Smith trade was floated at one point. Do any of the CBA experts know the implications for Smith's bird rights given that he had his option declined by Phoenix?Yes I wrote Houston where I meant to write Washington. Fixed. Thanks for catching that.
Not a CBA expert but when I looked at this, because PHO did not tender him, they are prohibited from re-signing him above a certain amount (I think it's any amount over the tender iIRC). That restriction would apply to any team that acquired him.Do any of the CBA experts know the implications for Smith's bird rights given that he had his option declined by Phoenix?
It's immaterial, they can just take DS if that makes the fake trade better. Lol, we've had many "trade DS for a guy on a rookie deal" fake trades, I'm just basing it on one that floated around the forum previously. That said, people said "Why is Cleveland acquiring Markannen, they have Kevin Love and Jarrett Allen and Evan Mobley" and stuff like that.why would anyone really care about Jalen Smith? especially the Wizards who have Gafford/Bryant. I imagine they would rather have DS
The Suns' Jalen Smith, not Jalen Green on the Rockets.Houston isn’t trading Jalen Smith unless there are off the court things going on like him hanging out with Z-Bo’s old posse. They sure as heck aren’t trading him for an expiring contract lol.
That’s what I get for logging in at 2am while watching the Australian Open. Carry on.The Suns' Jalen Smith, not Jalen Green on the Rockets.
Alperen Sengun is the new Max Strus.Boy, that Sengun note kinda bites. He’s a guy who I kinda like.
The question wasn't really pointed at you and all the fake trade stuff is just a fun exercise (hence your legit question about his contract). Dennis Schroder will have more value to a contender than a 3rd/4th string center on an expiring/busted rookie deal.It's immaterial, they can just take DS if that makes the fake trade better. Lol, we've had many "trade DS for a guy on a rookie deal" fake trades, I'm just basing it on one that floated around the forum previously. That said, people said "Why is Cleveland acquiring Markannen, they have Kevin Love and Jarrett Allen and Evan Mobley" and stuff like that.
If Smith turns into a player, you can trade him, or you can trade Thomas Bryant if Smith fits your updated non-Beal timeline. I realize this forum is smarter than actual NBA organizations, but multiple teams have run two big lineups in recent memory (including the Celtics!)
Al would be more like that guy if he just stayed in the right corner (although he might trip over Romeo when he was in the game ) as, according to this article:As far as 2BIGZzz, it's semantics. Playing 2 or 3 or 4 TALL payers together is fine if your roster is built that way and the TALL players have the skills/pace of a wing on defense/offense. In theory, Al Horford would be that guy. 35yrd old Al isn't anymore IMO.
Ha, I was just looking at Horford's Corner3% the other dayAl would be more like that guy if he just stayed in the right corner (although he might trip over Romeo when he was in the game ) as, according to this article:
[while Al is] converting 28.4 percent of his three-point attempts [], he's 11/23 (47.8 percent) on his long-range looks from the right corner, per NBA.com.That's a small sample size, but it suggests he should be taking more shots from there and fewer from above the break, where he's 30/122 (24.6%). Horford's only taken four field goals from there in the last four games, and he's 2/4.
Among Al, RL, and GW, the Cs have the right corner covered.
Or Desmond Bane.Alperen Sengun is the new Max Strus.
not quite all, but about 3/4 of his 3s are wide open, he's shooting 30% on them.It's interesting that Horford's ineptitude from behind the arc doesn't get more discussion. He's really fallen off a cliff this season. Career .356, this season .284. It's even more stunning because I would hazard a guess that every single attempt would be considered "wide open".
Unfortunately, with Williams and Horford on the floor there is just no spacing because teams do not cover them at all near the 3 point line.
Anyone who's interesting in Jalen Smith should wait until the offseason because any team acquiring him would be at a huge disadvantage contract wise.why would anyone really care about Jalen Smith? especially the Wizards who have Gafford/Bryant. I imagine they would rather have DS
Where do you find that statistic?not quite all, but about 3/4 of his 3s are wide open, he's shooting 30% on them.
OK, you made me look. Collated Horford's shooting splits from various spots on the court for last four years from NBA.com. From eyeballing the numbers, it sSeems like he is shooting non 3Ps basically around career averages. He shooting right corner 3Ps much better on a small sample size but he is quite low on above the break 3Ps.It's interesting that Horford's ineptitude from behind the arc doesn't get more discussion. He's really fallen off a cliff this season. Career .356, this season .284. It's even more stunning because I would hazard a guess that every single attempt would be considered "wide open".
Unfortunately, with Williams and Horford on the floor there is just no spacing because teams do not cover them at all near the 3 point line.
FGM |
FGA |
FG% |
FGM
%AST |
FGM
%UAST | |
2021-22 | 50 |
70 |
71.4 |
66.0 |
34.0 |
2020-21 | 46 |
77 |
59.7 |
65.2 |
34.8 |
2019-20 | 110 |
158 |
69.6 |
64.5 |
35.5 |
2018-19 | 148 |
206 |
71.8 |
79.1 |
20.9 |
FGM |
FGA |
FG% |
FGM
%AST |
FGM
%UAST | |
2021-22 | 43 |
80 |
53.8 |
65.1 |
34.9 |
2020-21 | 36 |
70 |
51.4 |
44.4 |
55.6 |
2019-20 | 40 |
111 |
36.0 |
47.5 |
52.5 |
2018-19 | 73 |
143 |
51.0 |
54.8 |
45.2 |
FGM |
FGA |
FG% |
FGM
%AST |
FGM
%UAST | |
2021-22 | 17 |
39 |
43.6 |
76.5 |
23.5 |
2020-21 | 24 |
61 |
39.3 |
58.3 |
41.7 |
2019-20 | 70 |
157 |
44.6 |
64.3 |
35.7 |
2018-19 | 93 |
170 |
54.7 |
84.9 |
15.1 |
FGM |
FGA |
FG% |
FGM
%AST |
FGM
%UAST | |
2021-22 | 5 |
17 |
29.4 |
100 |
0.0 |
2020-21 | 3 |
7 |
42.9 |
100 |
0.0 |
2019-20 | 4 |
15 |
26.7 |
100 |
0.0 |
2018-19 | 4 |
9 |
44.4 |
100 |
0.0 |
FGM |
FGA |
FG% |
FGM
%UAST |
FGM
%UAST | |
2021-22 | 11 |
23 |
47.8 |
90.9 |
9.1 |
2020-21 | 1 |
11 |
9.1 |
100 |
0.0 |
2019-20 | 6 |
22 |
27.3 |
100 |
0.0 |
2018-19 | 2 |
12 |
16.7 |
100 |
0.0 |
FGM |
FGA |
FG% |
FGM
%UAST |
FGM
%UAST | |
2021-22 | 30 |
122 |
24.6 |
96.7 |
3.3 |
2020-21 | 52 |
134 |
38.8 |
92.3 |
7.7 |
2019-20 | 89 |
246 |
36.2 |
97.8 |
2.2 |
2018-19 | 67 |
182 |
36.8 |
100 |
0.0 |
NBA.com - stats / players (find Horford) / Tracking + Shots Dashboard.Where do you find that statistic?
Alperen Sengun is the new Max Strus.
None of these are the same though.Or Desmond Bane.
Collins game has been everywhere. Report just out today that Atlanta turned down Collins & Reddish for Simmons. He seems almost certain to go. Smart mentioned in multiple trades as well which indicates something is up. My rule of thumb at deadline is to ignore noise of a player heading to any individual team…..but when multiple teams are mentioned with the player it’s a strong sign he’s on the move.That is why I don’t see Smart going anywhere.
This part I disagree with. I think Brad is willing to talk about anyone whose name doesn't start with J (unless it ends with "osh Richardson") and is even willing to deal any of them if the return is right. So the talks are happening. I'm sure Brad has his price for Smart but I dpn't expect any team to meet it.Collins game has been everywhere. Report just out today that Atlanta turned down Collins & Reddish for Simmons. He seems almost certain to go. Smart mentioned in multiple trades as well which indicates something is up. My rule of thumb at deadline is to ignore noise of a player heading to any individual team…..but when multiple teams are mentioned with the player it’s a strong sign he’s on the move.
Philly Inquirer story said that ATL entertained Collins, Reddish, and 1st round pick for Simmons but ended discussions when PHI tried to include Harris: https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/ben-simmons-sixers-kings-tobias-harris-tyrese-haliburton-trade-rumors-20220119.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=edit_social_share_twitter_traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=&utm_term=&int_promo=.Report just out today that Atlanta turned down Collins & Reddish for Simmons.
Hard pass.Would you trade Smart for Devonte Graham? Perhaps need NOLA to add in a swap or lesser of their pick supply?
or uhann Begarin. Though I'd rather they keep him and I doubt he has much value around the league.This part I disagree with. I think Brad is willing to talk about anyone whose name doesn't start with J (unless it ends with "osh Richardson") and is even willing to deal any of them if the return is right. So the talks are happening. I'm sure Brad has his price for Smart but I dpn't expect any team to meet it.
Probably not. I don't like his size/defense, he has Kemba abused in the playoffs vibes. Maybe if they added someone like Herb Jones?Would you trade Smart for Devonte Graham? Perhaps need NOLA to add in a swap or lesser of their pick supply?
He could easily be a throw in as part of a larger deal. Otherwise, not going anywhere.or uhann Begarin. Though I'd rather they keep him and I doubt he has much value around the league.
Funny you say that as my self-description of Devonte is a poor man’s prime Kemba.Probably not. I don't like his size/defense, he has Kemba abused in the playoffs vibes. Maybe if they added someone like Herb Jones?
Basically the message is prep to be disappointed, the Celtics aren't going to do anything positive for the season because they are focused on financials.As far as places to trade him, I think Cleveland is by far the most logical destination. The Cavs could trade Kevin Pangos, Ed Davis and the better of their own or Golden State’s 2023 second-round pick for Schröder and stay just under the tax; the same deal would keep Boston below the line.
Pangos and Davis can join Bol and Dozier at a retreat in Montana while awaiting Brad’s phone call as to when their plane ticket to Boston will be sent.https://theathletic.com/3090086/2022/01/25/celtics-at-the-trade-deadline-logical-fit-for-a-dennis-schroder-deal-building-around-the-jays-and-other-roster-moves/
More Hollinger on the Celtics trade deadline. in short, he just sees more salary dumps comings and nothing to improve the team. One option is dumping Schroder for basically nothing from the Cavs:
Basically the message is prep to be disappointed, the Celtics aren't going to do anything positive for the season because they are focused on financials.
Schroder for nothing would seem really stupid. I know they need to get under the tax, but I would think they could get the little amount they need in a smarter way.https://theathletic.com/3090086/2022/01/25/celtics-at-the-trade-deadline-logical-fit-for-a-dennis-schroder-deal-building-around-the-jays-and-other-roster-moves/
More Hollinger on the Celtics trade deadline. in short, he just sees more salary dumps comings and nothing to improve the team. One option is dumping Schroder for basically nothing from the Cavs:
Basically the message is prep to be disappointed, the Celtics aren't going to do anything positive for the season because they are focused on financials.
I find myself agreeing with Hollinger here where he and King note that while the Celtics could use shooting.... they need someone to run the offense more. They have some shooters on the bench (Richardson, Pritchard, etc.) but that the biggest way to improve the shooting would be to get better shots, particularly for Tatum.https://theathletic.com/3090086/2022/01/25/celtics-at-the-trade-deadline-logical-fit-for-a-dennis-schroder-deal-building-around-the-jays-and-other-roster-moves/
More Hollinger on the Celtics trade deadline. in short, he just sees more salary dumps comings and nothing to improve the team. One option is dumping Schroder for basically nothing from the Cavs:
Basically the message is prep to be disappointed, the Celtics aren't going to do anything positive for the season because they are focused on financials.
It's not that little anymore, it's almost $3M since it suddenly looks like Brown might make his unlikely incentive. Yes they could probably get OKC to eat 2 deals for cash and 2nds, but I get his point, which is.... if the market for Schroder is soft, and you're stuck on the treadmill, why trade something you could trade later in the 2nds, instead of trading something that has no value to you beyond this year and getting something small back.Schroder for nothing would seem really stupid. I know they need to get under the tax, but I would think they could get the little amount they need in a smarter way.
Here is the problem. Al has to be the guy setting the pick at the top of the key, while everyone else stands in the corners (I call this the Celtics patented, PnR with a big, while everyone else sticks their thumbs in their butts). Then two defenders leave Al alone, they double the ball handler and Al gets a perfect look at the brick mansion he's been working on this season.Al would be more like that guy if he just stayed in the right corner (although he might trip over Romeo when he was in the game ) as, according to this article:
[while Al is] converting 28.4 percent of his three-point attempts [], he's 11/23 (47.8 percent) on his long-range looks from the right corner, per NBA.com.That's a small sample size, but it suggests he should be taking more shots from there and fewer from above the break, where he's 30/122 (24.6%). Horford's only taken four field goals from there in the last four games, and he's 2/4.
Among Al, RL, and GW, the Cs have the right corner covered.
Yes. This play was great for the C’s during Al’s first run here because he was hitting those wide open shots.Here is the problem. Al has to be the guy setting the pick at the top of the key, while everyone else stands in the corners (I call this the Celtics patented, PnR with a big, while everyone else sticks their thumbs in their butts). Then two defenders leave Al alone, they double the ball handler and Al gets a perfect look at the brick mansion he's been working on this season.
From an optics standpoint, trading Schroder just for tax reasons looks worse than if they trade him for some asset - no matter how small.I find myself agreeing with Hollinger here where he and King note that while the Celtics could use shooting.... they need someone to run the offense more. They have some shooters on the bench (Richardson, Pritchard, etc.) but that the biggest way to improve the shooting would be to get better shots, particularly for Tatum.
It's not that little anymore, it's almost $3M since it suddenly looks like Brown might make his unlikely incentive. Yes they could probably get OKC to eat 2 deals for cash and 2nds, but I get his point, which is.... if the market for Schroder is soft, and you're stuck on the treadmill, why trade something you could trade later in the 2nds, instead of trading something that has no value to you beyond this year and getting something small back.
Edit- I don't think Schroder for a 2nd and tax avoidance is a particularly good trade, but I also recognize that unless you really think that Schroder has a major impact on your ability to get deeper into the playoffs (I don't) or you can get something of real value for him, you consider it, because you aren't likely re-signing him ($ and fit issues), and you can't use him in a S&T.
Given their constraints, a Holiday acquisition could still be a decent little move. League-average-ish and lots of NBA experience.
I guess? I feel like we have plenty of league average-ish wings on this team.Given their constraints, a Holiday acquisition could still be a decent little move. League-average-ish and lots of NBA experience.
Not exciting from where I sit. Seems like he'd just be competing with Josh Richardson for minutes and while maybe a different skill set, not really an upgrade. Would also push them further into the tax and would require more moves.I guess? I feel like we have plenty of league average-ish wings on this team.
I was thinking the same thing. Last offseason we kinda cornered the market on league average guys.I guess? I feel like we have plenty of league average-ish wings on this team.
I’d rather they do nothing than make a move like this.