Cowboys have never had one. Eagles haven’t had one since Ray Rhodes. Giants I don’t believe ever had one. Washington had Terry Robiskie as an interim for 4 games in 2000.NFC seems worse from memory.
I think it's akin to when you hear someone say they love their country but not the President (which is something both parties, do some I'm not making a political point here)--BB reveres the league and it's history but likely can't stand Goodell and current powers that be and if this burns them down, then he will not care.I know we all love to think BB lives to tweak the shield, but I think it's the opposite. He honors the league and its history.
Or being told by BB he had been hired and within 60 seconds being utterly being kicked in the grapes.I can't imagine how hard it would be to coach after being told to lose football games. Man was alone on an island.
Yeah the “I think I have a chance” text is kind of heartbreaking to read.Or being told by BB he had been hired and within 60 seconds being utterly being kicked in the grapes.
His coaching job that year was basically heroic. They were outscored in the first 4 games 163-26, but managed to keep them competitive the rest of the way despite an offense where Ryan Fitzpatrick led the team in rushing.I can't imagine how hard it would be to coach after being told to lose football games. Man was alone on an island.
Seems like a far more likely reason is there's a typo and he left out an "it" before the "landed". I'm not sure why you would tell a job seeker "Sounds like you have landed" unless BB is an avid flight tracker and knew that Flores had just landed at LaGuardia or something.I think BB knew he was texting Brian Flores. He opened the conversation with "Sounds like you have landed - Congrats".
"Sounds like you have landed" is something you say to someone who doesn't have a job but is looking (Flores), it's not something you say to someone who already has a job and is being offered a better opportunity (Daboll).
IMO landed makes perfect sense. He (BF) found a landing spot. He landed in NY, except he didn't.Seems like a far more likely reason is there's a typo and he left out an "it" before the "landed". I'm not sure why you would tell a job seeker "Sounds like you have landed" unless BB is an avid flight tracker and knew that Flores had just landed at LaGuardia or something.
I agree. Clearly, the NFL has an issue with lack of minority head coaches, GMs, and owners. It's a problem. At the same time, the Rooney Rule was always a token rule that did nothing to address this. I don't know what the solution is, but I know the Rooney rule hasn't been and isn't it. The NFL needs to think outside the box and come up with real, meaningful solutions, or at least partial solutions, and their track record at doing so suggests it just won't happen.Didn't we all know that the Giants wanted Daboll? Seemed like it was pretty common knowledge -
I'm not sure where the intersection of the Rooney Rule and having a preferred candidate come in (ie, Sean Payton would be hired in Dallas). Its always made me uncomfortable because it just seemed like token minority candidate interviews in certain situations.
I think its good that Brian Flores is shining a light on this issue - and I hope the Pats would always consider having him as a coach in whatever capacity.
I think the position of the Rooney Rule is that teams should not have a preferred candidate before the process even begins; they should be truly open-minded to the candidate pool. Anything less than that is fundamentally unfair. And generally that winds up being unfair to the sorts of people that unfair practices have always harmed disproportionately. Has the "preferred candidate" ever been a minority?Didn't we all know that the Giants wanted Daboll? Seemed like it was pretty common knowledge -
I'm not sure where the intersection of the Rooney Rule and having a preferred candidate come in (ie, Sean Payton would be hired in Dallas). Its always made me uncomfortable because it just seemed like token minority candidate interviews in certain situations.
I think its good that Brian Flores is shining a light on this issue - and I hope the Pats would always consider having him as a coach in whatever capacity.
You are basically describing systemic racism. The intent is not (for the most part) racist. The effect is.So to me THIS is the issue - not so much that the owners are racist per se. I think they're happy to hire minorities as players and coaches if they think those hires give them the best chance to win. I just think their comfort level is with people in this network, and for now that network is dominated by white people. Gotta break through that somehow.
What text has he double checked? If it were the assumed narrative, he is maybe referencing having scrolled his texts to find a previous thread with BF, but I don't know if that fits 100%.Sorry - I fucked this up. I double checked & misread the text. I think they are naming Daboll. I'm sorry about that. BB.
There’s a huge difference between what the Astros and Sixers did and what Ross asked Flores to do. The Astros and Sixers’ tanking was done by putting worse players out on the field. But even then the coaches and players were trying to win. Asking the coach to actually lose games is a whole different level of challenge to competitive integrity.Let’s not pretend that this is the first instance of tanking in recorded history.
Sixers did it for years. Astros did it for years. Difference in football is there are far fewer games so each win and loss means more if your intention is to get the first overall pick.
Where this starts to get messy is with the NFL’s increasing embrace of gambling and partnerships with casinos, Draftkings, etc. You can’t have an owner trying to pay his coach to lose while being in bed with the bookies. That’s bad for everyone involved.
Thats my read. Someone texted him "Congrats on your guy Brian, I hear he's going to be the next HC of the Giants."Maybe there was some kind of confirmation bias at work with BB where he read Brian and assumed whomever texted him was referring to Flores.
Davis might be one of the only owners, if not the only one, who doesn't care (or at least cares far less) at maintaining the good old boys club with his colleagues, especially given the history he lived through with his dad and given how the other owners screwed him out of moving to LA.Raiders friend just texted me exactly this.
Depends how his relationship was with Josh I guess.
Mark Davis one of the owners that might be fine with it.
The NFL, and Goodell in particular along with the owners who employ him, are long overdue for a day of reckoning. I hope this along with the Gruden fiasco/WFT situation is the overdue impetus to make it happen.This complaint is straight gas. He’s turned the Gruden complaint on its head, among other things. He’s also being represented by Wigdor, one of the most notorious plaintiff employment firms in the country. Love that he calls the NFL out for "pandering" in response to Black Lives Matter. It's always been a major point of cognitive dissonance for me that the NFL went from "all players must stand for the anthem" to social justice messages on the back of the helmets--overnight.
It is really also difficult to square their public admissions that they have a race problem in hiring, with the notion that they don't have a race problem in hiring.
To add to this, if true he was asking a rookie coach to do something intentionally that would make It less likely he’d ever get hired for another job after his tenure with Miami was over. Considering Flores is black and knows how hard it is for a black coach to get a chance in the first place, never mind a second chance, I cannot imagine how he must have felt being asked to intentionally sabotage what might be his only chance. And If it is true that this is part of what led Ross to conclude Flores is ”difficult”, it is far more odious than the other examples cited.There’s a huge difference between what the Astros and Sixers did and what Ross asked Flores to do. The Astros and Sixers’ tanking was done by putting worse players out on the field. But even then the coaches and players were trying to win. Asking the coach to actually lose games is a whole different level of challenge to competitive integrity.
BingoTo add to this, if true he was asking a rookie coach to do something intentionally that would make It less likely he’d ever get hired for another job after his tenure with Miami was over. Considering Flores is black and knows how hard it is for a black coach to get a chance in the first place, never mind a second chance, I cannot imagine how he must have felt being asked to intentionally sabotage what might be his only chance. And If it is true that this is part of what led Ross to conclude Flores is ”difficult”, it is far more odious than the other examples cited.
Given his temperament and pedigree, I suspect his initial reaction was to think it was some kind of perverse test/joke or that he was suffering a stroke in the moment.To add to this, if true he was asking a rookie coach to do something intentionally that would make It less likely he’d ever get hired for another job after his tenure with Miami was over. Considering Flores is black and knows how hard it is for a black coach to get a chance in the first place, never mind a second chance, I cannot imagine how he must have felt being asked to intentionally sabotage what might be his only chance. And If it is true that this is part of what led Ross to conclude Flores is ”difficult”, it is far more odious than the other examples cited.
That’s a great point.To add to this, if true he was asking a rookie coach to do something intentionally that would make It less likely he’d ever get hired for another job after his tenure with Miami was over. Considering Flores is black and knows how hard it is for a black coach to get a chance in the first place, never mind a second chance, I cannot imagine how he must have felt being asked to intentionally sabotage what might be his only chance. And If it is true that this is part of what led Ross to conclude Flores is ”difficult”, it is far more odious than the other examples cited.
Thank you, sir. This was the first thing i thought of when this came out today. It's incredibly difficult as it to get a hc job as a black man in the nfl.To add to this, if true he was asking a rookie coach to do something intentionally that would make It less likely he’d ever get hired for another job after his tenure with Miami was over. Considering Flores is black and knows how hard it is for a black coach to get a chance in the first place, never mind a second chance, I cannot imagine how he must have felt being asked to intentionally sabotage what might be his only chance. And If it is true that this is part of what led Ross to conclude Flores is ”difficult”, it is far more odious than the other examples cited.
Yes, anyone who ever gets a shot at an NFL head coaching job is going to be by definition hyper-competitive. When the guy who just hired you pulls you aside and tells you there’s some extra coin in it if you lose some games on purpose your first year it has to be a a surreal experience.Given his temperament and pedigree, I suspect his initial reaction was to think it was some kind of perverse test/joke or that he was suffering a stroke in the moment.
Unreal.
Wow. And maybe that’s WHY he hired him. He needed someone he thought would do it, and who was disposable.To add to this, if true he was asking a rookie coach to do something intentionally that would make It less likely he’d ever get hired for another job after his tenure with Miami was over. Considering Flores is black and knows how hard it is for a black coach to get a chance in the first place, never mind a second chance, I cannot imagine how he must have felt being asked to intentionally sabotage what might be his only chance. And If it is true that this is part of what led Ross to conclude Flores is ”difficult”, it is far more odious than the other examples cited.
Ross somehow weaponized the basic premise of ‘Major League’ in an even darker way.Wow. And maybe that’s WHY he hired him. He needed someone he thought would do it, and who was disposable.
Except that Flores has stated that he wants a jury trial. He wants this all to be made public. Someone will hire him -- Kraft/Belichick, maybe? Honestly, he might land as a DC in Vegas with McDaniels -- say what you will about the Davis family, they're not racists and they like to thumb their nose at the NFL. He's too talented of a coach, though I said Kaep was too talented of a QB.I'm thinking the testimony of Flores stating he was fired for refusing to tamper with another team's player and refusing an owner's request to lose games on purpose to improve draft position, and then the charade of faux interviews for faux coaching jobs, may lead to the NFL settling this/burying this ASAP. This could be a PR disaster.
Well, you're actually right this timeExcept that Flores has stated that he wants a jury trial. He wants this all to be made public. Someone will hire him -- Kraft/Belichick, maybe? Honestly, he might land as a DC in Vegas with McDaniels -- say what you will about the Davis family, they're not racists and they like to thumb their nose at the NFL. He's too talented of a coach, though I said Kaep was too talented of a QB.
Billion percent agree. Ross -- or more likely someone under him -- a coach, a trainer, a player or even a player's friend -- could absolutely clean up with this info.There’s a huge difference between what the Astros and Sixers did and what Ross asked Flores to do. The Astros and Sixers’ tanking was done by putting worse players out on the field. But even then the coaches and players were trying to win. Asking the coach to actually lose games is a whole different level of challenge to competitive integrity.
Hungover and an hour late.Lost in all of this, and for good reason because it's not near as serious, but Elway and his cronies showing up hungover for an interview is like the sun rising tomorrow. Of course it will, and of course he did.
Broncos are in a full court press to deny they were late; no mention of anyone being hungover, though!Hungover and an hour late.
That’s not just holding a sham interview, it’s intentionally and needlessly rubbing the unspoken reality that it’s a sham interview right in the black candidate’s face. Honestly I find it just as despicable as Ross’s conduct.
Worst case he can go to college, if you can coach a college program will hire you no matter what... kill a kid... oh well. Cover up some rapes... no problem. Something as minor as suing the NFL for being racist isn't going to make them blink.Except that Flores has stated that he wants a jury trial. He wants this all to be made public. Someone will hire him -- Kraft/Belichick, maybe? Honestly, he might land as a DC in Vegas with McDaniels -- say what you will about the Davis family, they're not racists and they like to thumb their nose at the NFL. He's too talented of a coach, though I said Kaep was too talented of a QB.
My read of that situation wasn’t that Ross needed Flores there, but rather he wanted Flores there to help woo Brady. After all, he was the head coach Tom would be playing for, and they had a prior connection. But I could be wrong.The thing is that he probably didn’t even need Flores to talk to Brady. Given the Michigan connections, Brady and Ross could’ve met and said they were discussing how to give back to the program or something.
Oh, it's better than that they were hungover. Elway's claiming in 2019 that he was dealing with the side effects from Ivermectin.Broncos are in a full court press to deny they were late; no mention of anyone being hungover, though!
They got Mike Klis working Twitter to shut this thing down.
Taking that 'I'm a Bronco' thing really seriously I seeOh, it's better than that they were hungover. Elway's claiming in 2019 that he was dealing with the side effects from Ivermectin.
I assumed this phone call was going to be made if Flores didn’t t a HC job. not so sure now.Josh should hire him as the Raiders DC.
The Elway story may or may not be horseshit, but I got a kick out of this particular justification:Oh, it's better than that they were hungover. Elway's claiming in 2019 that he was dealing with the side effects from Ivermectin.
View: https://twitter.com/NFLGrandheer/status/1488637738798702592
Of course, this was goddamn gold.
View: https://twitter.com/LaCroixPolamalu/status/1488668058474491906
Yeah, the recent history of the NFL definitely shows that enshrined leaders of NFL teams cannot survive for long periods of time if they're pulling shenanigans. Zero institutional protection! /sHe added "you don't remain as stable within a franchise as I have with foul play."
Giddy up!Of course, this was goddamn gold.
View: https://twitter.com/LaCroixPolamalu/status/1488668058474491906
The horse puns are absolutely hilarious, but this has to be 100% fake. Ivermectin and COVID weren’t a thing when Brian Flores interviewed with the Broncos.Oh, it's better than that they were hungover. Elway's claiming in 2019 that he was dealing with the side effects from Ivermectin.
It actually is approved for other things, like parasitic infections. But yeah, within this context, feels like BS cover story.The horse puns are absolutely hilarious, but this has to be 100% fake. Ivermectin and COVID weren’t a thing when Brian Flores interviewed with the Broncos.
Pretty much every former professional athlete and coach.Who calls their former boss in texts by a courtesy title especially after leaving the organization?
Come on. I thought for sure this was a story from the Onion on first read.Oh, it's better than that they were hungover. Elway's claiming in 2019 that he was dealing with the side effects from Ivermectin.
View: https://twitter.com/NFLGrandheer/status/1488637738798702592
Of course, this was goddamn gold.
View: https://twitter.com/LaCroixPolamalu/status/1488668058474491906