Agree. There were terrible calls. There are always terrible calls though. Make your damn shots and the ref excuse isn't even an option.
For both sides. The C's didn't lose because of the referees.
Brooks jumped from the arc. gA jumped from between the arc and the dotted circle below the FT line. Brooks was closer. GA is just a better jumper and longer, but he was further away at leap.
A couple times, perhaps—Game 7 of the 2011 NHL Eastern Conference Finals between the Bruins and the Lightning. Clean, hard-fought defensive battle with the Bruins scoring a late goal to win 1-0. No penalties were called for the entire game.
It doesn't matter where they took off. Brooks had no shot at the ball and took an arm swing. Giannis - because he is such s good athlete - simply went up try to block the dunk. It was a foul. It could have gone either way but it went against the Cs. That doesn't mean the two plays are at comparable.
FOH with this. The refs are a huge part of the story of the game, particularly at the end with them moving Grant off Giannis. If you want to post some examples of bad calls that went the other way or make a point that's not just complaining about other posts that DID back up their points, go ahead.
Good work Wade.
No. They officiated him very differently in games 1, 2, and 3. No restraints at all on him yesterday, which was not true in the previous games. If they called a more tight game, he would have adjusted, not fouled out. Budenholzer got the refs to 100% lay off of him.
Watching this, I think most of the time when matched up they were going for the steal but Giannis was good and strong enough to keep the ball and gain space when Brown / Tatum swiped at it. Trying to draw a charge or flopping on high contact is probably a smarter strategy, though not guaranteed either.
I think ad hominem thread policing by someone who isn't a mod is bad. Maybe either enage in discussion of things posters say instead of name-calling?
He told me to FOH. Maybe his FOH means something other than what I'm used to.
Keep blaming the referees anytime the C's lose a game by less than 5 points. The C's have played 89 games this year. In all 89 games, people complained about the refs. The opposing teams fans did too. The refs are always terrible. This is a known commodity.
I had the same observation—at least once with each of JT and JB, and I think maybe more than that, they lost their leverage by trying to reach for a steal, and GA immediately drove in the opposite direction from the reach in—they had no chance. I’m not saying that correcting this will suddenly turn them into all-world defenders against GA, but if they stop these gamble reach-ins when they’re trying to guard him one-on-one, they at least should have the position to let him knock them over!
There are some things I give a pass on, like the phantom tag. As in, feel free to complain all you want. I don't even know how that happens.
Are you able to specifically cite any posts "white knighting" the officials? I don't see any here.
I started one—-may or may not succeed. I do think there’s some very different views on whether that’s a productive or interesting discussion, and really would be a shame for the great analysis that goes on to be harmed by differences of opinion on discussion of officiating.
Yeah, yesterday wasn’t the “hey, they keep holding Chandler Jones!” level of complaining. Celtics fans were rightfully upset since we did get boned at several key spots along with the aggregate impact of a tank like Giannis being able to do whatever he wanted.
Grant did it once, too.
Perfectly said. I began doing this last night and after citing two quick examples I couldn’t do the rest of it like you did. Kudos.
In general, I agree with you. That said, it's interesting that several people who are decidedly not C's homers—John Hollinger, Michael Wilbon and Nicolas Batum, to name three—all took to social media last nite to question the officiating in Game 3. Such criticism is not confined to this board.
I said FOH because you weren't just disagreeing about the officiating but dismissing any discussion of the refs as making "excuses", whatever that means (Am I on the team?). People made detailed and nuanced complaints and observations about a major part of the game and you just put it in the same category as people calling in to the EEI whiner line. You do it again here and it doesn't add to any discussion. If you don't think it's worth reading then just move on.
My take:
Ah, the classic rope a dope. Don't adjust when they expect you to adjust, which effectively equates to an adjustment!
If the bold comes to fruition, it's just further evidence that Brad and Ime's approach for ref management doesn't work.
I don’t see any reason to make many adjustments when we were very effective aside from Tatum laying an egg offensively and to a degree Smart as well.
I think the likelihood of Tatum playing tonight like he did on Sunday is pretty small, and if he happens to (because of injury or whatever), we can probably give up. So, I don't think the question is White vs. Tatum.
like I get the meme, but Giannis is ridiculously good, and he forces a lot of 50/50 calls because he's really fast and really strong, Theis gets called for a lot of fouls because he gets into a lot of close situations by being not quite quick enough, and aggressive. Their respective foul calls are driven a lot by their abilities. Now Giannis gets a bit more leeway for being a star, but he actually does get called for more fouls (particularly on offense) than most stars... he just doesn't care if he gets called, and doesn't stop being aggressive until he has 5
