Hell, this could be at long last Bye Bye Goodell.Bye bye Snyder
that too. Thank godHell, this could be at long last Bye Bye Goodell.
This was my thought as well. Snyder knew he was in for and this is why the announcement about hiring a bank to sell the team.Hell, this could be at long last Bye Bye Goodell.
Jerry Jones. Plus owners don’t want to be dragged into court as well and use resources to defend themselves due to this asshole snyder.This was my thought as well. Snyder knew he was in for and this is why the announcement about hiring a bank to sell the team.
This is the first direct implication we've seen of Goodell, but I wonder who forces him out. This is actually another case where the rest of the owners get to use him as a shield and scapegoat. The question is whether he's Chris Carter's infamous fall guy as well.
Forcing them to trade Carson WentzWhen the Feds initiate civil litigation like this, what’s the end game for them? Expediting the team being sold? Monetary damages? The league firing Rog? All or none of the above?
We'll have to read the complaint, and public honesty statutes can be broad, but this is my reaction too. What's the claim?As a non-lawyer ... I guess I don't get it? Collusion to deceive regarding an independent investigation? Maybe I missed this episode of Law & Order.
I doubt they will have much trouble finding acts that occurred in or had an impact in the district.IANAL but how does the District have standing for a team that plays in Maryland?
It's not really the Feds. That would've been the USAtty for DC. This is local DC gov't. (Yes, *all* DC is fed, but there is a local government).When the Feds initiate civil litigation like this, what’s the end game for them? Expediting the team being sold? Monetary damages? The league firing Rog? All or none of the above?
How do you force a team in another jurisdiction to trade for Carson Went?Forcing them to trade Carson Wentz
I know a guy ...How do you force a team in another jurisdiction to trade for Carson Went?
Yeah, that was a great listen. IIRC, at points they even acknowledged glossing over major scandals or half forgot them simply because there's so much.Ryen Rusillo had Wichersham on his podcast on October 21st. He basically laid out the entire Synder thing (and all the ways he lied, cheated and stole) and once you get done listening to it, you will be absolutely horrified about the NFL and Synder and Goodell.
Needless to say, they have the receipts because even Wickersham had them. It's a great podcast.
Not the Feds, this is the AG of the District.When the Feds initiate civil litigation like this, what’s the end game for them? Expediting the team being sold? Monetary damages? The league firing Rog? All or none of the above?
Easily, they transact a ton of business in DC, they advertise in DC, they list their home market as DC, and more, it's in the complaint.IANAL but how does the District have standing for a team that plays in Maryland?
They're going with Unfair or Deceptive trade practices under DC code 28-3904We'll have to read the complaint, and public honesty statutes can be broad, but this is my reaction too. What's the claim?
If it were a federal EEO complaint or something, that would be different -- but maybe there is a "state" (district) regulatory equivalent.
Interesting point. Snyder has basically ruined the brand and the fan base. A significant portion have just become Ravens fans due to their success the last 20 years. Moving to another market may be in the cards.Any other good markets for an NFL team?
Maybe buyers in such a market have a better chance now.
dcmissile is missed under any and all circumstances.Interesting point. Snyder has basically ruined the brand and the fan base. A significant portion have just become Ravens fans due to their success the last 20 years. Moving to another market may be in the cards.
This is where dcmissle is really missed. He would have a some intriguing viewpoints I'm sure.
IKR? Talk about having the air let out of your day.Goodell must feel deflated that they determined to sue the shield.
I am a DMV resident, enjoyed the glory years of Joe Gibbs, and hate the current iteration of the WFT with the passion of 1000 suns. But the case seems weak to this litigator. I think the main defense would be that materiality is lacking: misstatements about the Wilkinson investigation would not be a motivating factor in the decision of a fan to buy a ticket to the games. They will assert that fans go to the games for entertainment value of watching the team play, that what the team did or said to minimize the strength of the inquiry didn't influence those decisions, and that no misstatements were made about, for example, the quality or health of the players.The complaint is interesting. Very well written. Clever theory. It's not really about getting relief.
The first major drama in the case could be when they seek discovery from Wilkinson, assuming the complaint survives a motion. She will have to claim privilege. But I assume that will be met with the District calling on the league to waive privilege. The league won't of course. And they will make up bullshit why they aren't, hoping it will pass muster and people won't give a shit, and they probably won't. But it will be another chance to expose the league's hypocrisy.
If it didn't happen in DC the DC AG has no jurisdiction.I’m surprised he isn’t being charged with sex trafficking based on some of the stories in the complaint.
The complaint is vague about what the goods and services are. I suppose you can make the argument that what the team and the league sell are not just tickets to games, but a product that is purchased by consumers in the form of their eyeballs, which is converted by the team and league into billions.I am a DMV resident, enjoyed the glory years of Joe Gibbs, and hate the current iteration of the WFT with the passion of 1000 suns. But the case seems weak to this litigator. I think the main defense would be that materiality is lacking: misstatements about the Wilkinson investigation would not be a motivating factor in the decision of a fan to buy a ticket to the games. They will assert that fans go to the games for entertainment value of watching the team play, that what the team did or said to minimize the strength of the inquiry didn't influence those decisions, and that no misstatements were made about, for example, the quality or health of the players.
That's my impression as well. Unfair competition statutes like the one the AG is relying upon are the refuge of scoundrels/clever lawyers. When you're mad but can't find a specific law that the person who wronged you violated, you try to assert a claim under the unfair competition clause.I am a DMV resident, enjoyed the glory years of Joe Gibbs, and hate the current iteration of the WFT with the passion of 1000 suns. But the case seems weak to this litigator. I think the main defense would be that materiality is lacking: misstatements about the Wilkinson investigation would not be a motivating factor in the decision of a fan to buy a ticket to the games. They will assert that fans go to the games for entertainment value of watching the team play, that what the team did or said to minimize the strength of the inquiry didn't influence those decisions, and that no misstatements were made about, for example, the quality or health of the players.
I have to wonder if that's the real goal here -- make Snyder and Goodell squirm by seeking their depositions. Rich guys with lots to hide will pay hefty settlements to avoid being deposed -- just ask Elon Musk.The complaint is vague about what the goods and services are. I suppose you can make the argument that what the team and the league sell are not just tickets to games, but a product that is purchased by consumers in the form of their eyeballs, which is converted by the team and league into billions.
I just did some goofing around on westlaw, and it looks as though there are DC cases that say that materiality is ordinarily a question for the finder of fact. So the NFL would have to show that no reasonable person would give a shit about the team's treatment of women in deciding whether to consume the goods and services. There is definitely a motion for summary judgment there, but not a motion to dismiss and I think that's enough to get to some discovery. There also seems to be a principle in consumer fraud law that materiality and misleading are connected in the sense that it's right to ask -- if nobody cares why did you lie?
How do you force a team in another jurisdiction to trade for Carson Went?
Ah, thanks for clarification. I was incorrectly assuming this to be federal because it was DC. Obviously a much more limited scope of jurisdiction.It's not really the Feds. That would've been the USAtty for DC. This is local DC gov't. (Yes, *all* DC is fed, but there is a local government).
The NFL would do everything in its power to keep the franchise in DC. When the team and ownership are good, the degree of local fanatic devotion to this team is like nothing I’ve ever seen (and one reason I’ve actively rooted against them since I moved here in the late 80’s). They’ve lost a lot of support, particularly among kids (consistent with another comment, I saw a hell of a lot more Ravens jerseys than WFT jerseys in the last couple of years among local kids here in Montgomery County), but I think that a return to competent ownership can win a lot of fans back.Any other good markets for an NFL team?
Maybe buyers in such a market have a better chance now.
Query whether lobbying in the 2020s allows as much high-end ticket-providing as it did during the salad days at RFK.The NFL would do everything in its power to keep the franchise in DC. When the team and ownership are good, the degree of local fanatic devotion to this team is like nothing I’ve ever seen (and one reason I’ve actively rooted against them since I moved here in the late 80’s). They’ve lost a lot of support, particularly among kids (consistent with another comment, I saw a hell of a lot more Ravens jerseys than WFT jerseys in the last couple of years among local kids here in Montgomery County), but I think that a return to competent ownership can win a lot of fans back.
The team isn't in DC though.The NFL would do everything in its power to keep the franchise in DC. When the team and ownership are good, the degree of local fanatic devotion to this team is like nothing I’ve ever seen (and one reason I’ve actively rooted against them since I moved here in the late 80’s). They’ve lost a lot of support, particularly among kids (consistent with another comment, I saw a hell of a lot more Ravens jerseys than WFT jerseys in the last couple of years among local kids here in Montgomery County), but I think that a return to competent ownership can win a lot of fans back.