2023 NBA Playoffs

MyDaughterLovesTomGordon · Apr 18, 2023

Just watched the replay way too many times. I think Sabonis is definitely gumming things up on that play, grabbing at Klay, who was boxing him out, to the point that he sort of three Klay backwards (probably a foul), and then definitely doing a kind of arm bar around Green's foot. Also probably a foul.

But that stomp was on a whole different level. That's not shaking him off and trying to run, that's a deliberate, winding up, intent to hurt stomp. It's just not the same thing. It's like punching someone in the face because they flicked the back of your ear. One is a dick move, the other is actually trying to hurt the other person.

Jimbodandy · Apr 18, 2023

One can appreciate the Warriors' greatness and accomplishments and still think that they run a douchey ship, one that lets Dray run around kicking nuts, stomping chest, and punching teammates with no repercussions.

Kerr fosters this environment and should be called out for it. He doesn't have to dump on Green, but publicly defending him when he plays dirty is bullshit. It's amazing in contrast to the insane shade that he publicly threw Marcus's way for injuring Steph on an actual basketball play.

tl;dr; Kerr is a jerk

Deathofthebambino · Apr 18, 2023

lovegtm said:
Not only does no one on the Warriors call him out, they double down:

View: https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1648310668913700866?s=46&t=eD7tMmMT9bvFnXVJycVRfQ

Oh fuck you Klay. You've had a front row seat to Draymond's antics for years, and you've never, not once, called him out for it. Fuck you for calling out a player on another team as if Dray hasn't done worse, hundreds of times.

Draymond Green is a world class athlete who apparently has the inability to control his body and arms and legs when it tight spaces. If anyone believes that, they can also go fuck themselves. I mean, there are dozens of these compilations out there, with new material being added by the day. Anytime Dray is close to someone and playing physical, he turns into a muscular Gumby just flailing and grabbing, which is the complete opposite of who he is running the point with the ball in his hands:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzf2mRf68Jo

I mean this video is over 4 years old at this point:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyV9x1mJah0

the moops · Apr 18, 2023

Can't the NBA do something about automating the 8 second violation? Seems like refs miss it all the time.

lovegtm · Apr 18, 2023

Jimbodandy said:
One can appreciate the Warriors' greatness and accomplishments and still think that they run a douchey ship, one that lets Dray run around kicking nuts, stomping chest, and punching teammates with no repercussions.

Kerr fosters this environment and should be called out for it. He doesn't have to dump on Green, but publicly defending him when he plays dirty is bullshit. It's amazing in contrast to the insane shade that he publicly threw Marcus's way for injuring Steph on an actual basketball play.

tl;dr; Kerr is a jerk

It's funny that the defense of Kerr reduces to "no, he's not a bad person, he's getting *personal and team benefit* from not calling out Draymond. That excuses everything!"

lovegtm · Apr 18, 2023

the moops said:
Can't the NBA do something about automating the 8 second violation? Seems like refs miss it all the time.

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This used to bug me a lot too, but I think the clock immediately goes to 23.XX when it's started; they just don't show the XX until under 5 seconds.

So the 8 second violation comes as soon as the clock hits 15 visibly, not 16.

JCizzle · Apr 18, 2023

Justthetippett said:
Kerr represents his team and backs his guys. He's not impartial. It's annoying but can't be all that surprising.

Oh I agree, but he also didn’t need to go out of his way to call out the opposing players in previous situations. For example, Mike Brown seemed to basically no comment what happened last night from what I saw in the ESPN write up.

moondog80 · Apr 18, 2023

lovegtm said:
It's funny that the defense of Kerr reduces to "no, he's not a bad person, he's getting *personal and team benefit* from not calling out Draymond. That excuses everything!"

He's doing his job, which does not involve trying to be Walter Cronkite. Think of him like you do an attorney or an agent.

the moops · Apr 18, 2023

lovegtm said:
This used to bug me a lot too, but I think the clock immediately goes to 23.XX when it's started; they just don't show the XX until under 5 seconds.

So the 8 second violation comes as soon as the clock hits 15 visibly, not 16.

I don't understand. Wouldn't that be 9 seconds?

slamminsammya · Apr 18, 2023

the moops said:
I don't understand. Wouldn't that be 9 seconds?

8 seconds would be when the clock is at 16:00 but when the clock SHOWS 16 it can be anywhere from 16:00 to 16:59 so the violation occurs when the clock first shows 15

lovegtm · Apr 18, 2023

slamminsammya said:
8 seconds would be when the clock is at 16:00 but when the clock SHOWS 16 it can be anywhere from 16:00 to 16:59 so the violation occurs when the clock first shows 15

Exactly. Think of the clock as always having implicit decimals that aren't shown to you.

InstaFace · Apr 18, 2023

the moops said:
Holy hyperbole batman. It was a dirty play. There was zero chance of anyone dying. My god

How much experience do you have with broken ribs and punctured lungs?

One of the valuable things they emphasize in most martial arts dojos is just how ignorant most people are of the odds of serious, life-altering damage being done when grown adults get into actual, committed fistfights. We all think it's just play because when we were kids it was (more or less) just play, you don't realize that adults are 2x the size of a 10-year-old but like 10x the strength. The examples of someone getting hit just the right way and getting brain damage, hitting their cerebellum when they fall or whatever and getting a brain bleed, are legion. Now adjust for enormous, strong professional athletes. You think a 6'8", 250 lb Draymond Green stomping on an unsuspecting someone's chest with most of his weight behind it is mostly harmless, just gonna leave a bruise? You are ignorant. Go googling a bit and convince yourself of your own ignorance. Go check out some MMA examples, where the people on the receiving end are usually prepared for the blow and have a lot of training. Go watch the American History X curbstomping scene or something, because you need to imprint on examples that are a lot more violent and permanent than whatever video-game-induced nonsense has led you to believe this is all low risk. Sabonis doesn't have, ya know, "a bunch of hit points", and more of them because he's big. He has ribs that are roughly the same bone density as yours and mine. He has vital organs under them. That shit was fucked up.

(they generally go into some of this to try and prevent students from getting all cocky looking for fights once they've had a little training, i.e. to emphasize the value, the urgency of declining a fight whenever possible. Losing a fight is way worse than winning one is "good", etc.)

lovegtm · Apr 18, 2023

InstaFace said:
How much experience do you have with broken ribs and punctured lungs?

One of the valuable things they emphasize in most martial arts dojos is just how ignorant most people are of the odds of serious, life-altering damage being done when grown adults get into actual, committed fistfights. We all think it's just play because when we were kids it was (more or less) just play, you don't realize that adults are 2x the size of a 10-year-old but like 10x the strength. The examples of someone getting hit just the right way and getting brain damage, hitting their cerebellum when they fall or whatever and getting a brain bleed, are legion. You think a 6'8", 250 lb Draymond Green stomping on an unsuspecting someone's chest with most of his weight behind it is mostly harmless, just gonna leave a bruise? You are ignorant. Go googling a bit and convince yourself of your own ignorance. Go check out some MMA examples, where the people on the receiving end are usually prepared for the blow and have a lot of training. Go watch the American History X curbstomping scene or something, because you need to imprint on examples that are a lot more violent and permanent than whatever video-game-induced nonsense has led you to believe this is all low risk. Sabonis doesn't have, ya know, "a bunch of hit points", and more of them because he's big. He has ribs that are roughly the same bone density as yours and mine. He has vital organs under them. That shit was fucked up.

(they generally go into some of this to try and prevent students from getting all cocky looking for fights once they've had a little training, i.e. to emphasize the value, the urgency of declining a fight whenever possible. Losing a fight is way worse than winning one is "good", etc.)

Yeah, I was horrified when I saw it live, and was worried I was about to witness one of *those* sports moments. I'm irate at Draymond, but mostly just glad Sabonis is ok.

Auger34 · Apr 18, 2023

MyDaughterLovesTomGordon said:
Just watched the replay way too many times. I think Sabonis is definitely gumming things up on that play, grabbing at Klay, who was boxing him out, to the point that he sort of three Klay backwards (probably a foul), and then definitely doing a kind of arm bar around Green's foot. Also probably a foul.

But that stomp was on a whole different level. That's not shaking him off and trying to run, that's a deliberate, winding up, intent to hurt stomp. It's just not the same thing. It's like punching someone in the face because they flicked the back of your ear. One is a dick move, the other is actually trying to hurt the other person.

This is exactly how I read it too.

I want to reiterate that what Sabonis did is somewhat common. Most of the time the reaction is the person kicks at the other persons hands, or sets themselves up to fall and gets in the other persons face when they get up.
Draymond didn’t even just step on him to get over him. He literally wound up and stomped on him. I am stunned that there is anyone defending what he did or acting like what Sabonis did was some uncommon, sneaky dirty play.

I mean, Giannis did almost the same exact thing to Smart last year in the playoffs. He purposely tangled his legs in Smart’s legs and then held onto his hand when Smart tried to help him out. No one gave two shits and there certainly wasn’t National discourse about how Smart should have turned around and kicked Giannis in the nuts

m0ckduck · Apr 18, 2023

tbb345 said:
Silver was in attendance and I think he almost has to suspend Draymond.
Between the actual stomp and the fucking embarrassing display of jackassery after (acting like hes Ric Flair strutting around, screaming “Pussy!” At the crowd) a message needs to be sent. The league has handled Draymond with kid gloves for far too long.

HomeRunBaker said:
Yeah all that is expected PR as none of them are going to call out Draymond which would all but assure he’d be suspended. He still may but this is a business and ratings are king…..the NBA wants eyeballs on Sabonis and Draymond for G3 I have to believe.

Call me crazy, but I expect a surprisingly harsh penalty for Green here— as in, multiple games. The stomp and the behavior towards the crowd are nudging towards two of the spectacles that the league NEVER wants to go through again: the Washington-Tomjanovich punch and the Malice in the Palace, respectively. I'm not saying that what happened last night is anywhere near on the same level as as either of those incidents, obviously. But once you violently stomp on a prone player and then provoke the crowd about it afterwards, you're— let's say— 15-20% down the road of recreating one or the other of those scenarios.

If there's no suspension, I'm prepared to eat my words while sinking to another level of cynicism towards the league office.

Obscure Name · Apr 18, 2023

View: https://streamable.com/rke6ha

Sabonis' claim that he was trying to protect his head is at least somewhat believable.

Tony C · Apr 18, 2023

lovegtm said:
It's tiring just to watch the Kings keep that up, which makes me wonder whether they can do it on the road, without the home crowd.

One factor I hadn't considered: how much of Oracle will be Kings' fans? The two teams have not been good at the same time in basically ever, so I'm curious.

I was wondering that, too. I read the Warriors were disappointed that they didn't have much presence in the Sac arena. I'm guessing it'll be the same, though given the fervor of Kings' fans maybe a few thousand mortgage their homes to get tix.

lovegtm said:
Not only does no one on the Warriors call him out, they double down:

View: https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1648310668913700866?s=46&t=eD7tMmMT9bvFnXVJycVRfQ

PedroKsBambino said:
What a joke...

View: https://twitter.com/MarcJSpears/status/1648256024397369349?cxt=HHwWisDSkeKH5N8tAAAA

Wow. Just lost all respect for Klay. I get you don't throw a teammate under the bus. To actively engage in BS justifications is despicable.

Justthetippett said:
Kerr represents his team and backs his guys. He's not impartial. It's annoying but can't be all that surprising.

This I have no problem with. Whoever made the analogy to a lawyer is correct. Pretending not to have seen is a good way to avoid losing your own team while not contorting yourself like a Klay idiot.

the moops said:
Can't the NBA do something about automating the 8 second violation? Seems like refs miss it all the time.

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Why is there an 8 second rule at all? There's 24-second clock. If a team is at 9 seconds getting back the half-court line, they're just harming themselves, no?

DeJesus Built My Hotrod · Apr 18, 2023

the moops said:
Can't the NBA do something about automating the 8 second violation? Seems like refs miss it all the time.

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The Sabonis heel in the restricted area as well as Klay's three had me thinking, is it possible to use a smart court?

In theory they should be able to automate some of the officiating of these location-based calls. Let the refs deal with actual fouls etc. Maybe it isn't possible but I would guess this sort of feature would be welcomed. At the very least, there will be no more questions about whether its an eight, nine or 8:59 second violation.

Tony C · Apr 18, 2023

How many games should the suspension be for is my only question. I mean, given that Snowflake Green has a twisted foot, it definitely shouldn't start until he's ready to play again.

Auger34 · Apr 18, 2023

Jimbodandy said:
One can appreciate the Warriors' greatness and accomplishments and still think that they run a douchey ship, one that lets Dray run around kicking nuts, stomping chest, and punching teammates with no repercussions.

Kerr fosters this environment and should be called out for it. He doesn't have to dump on Green, but publicly defending him when he plays dirty is bullshit. It's amazing in contrast to the insane shade that he publicly threw Marcus's way for injuring Steph on an actual basketball play.

tl;dr; Kerr is a jerk

Kerr seems like a good person off the court. I appreciate his stances on social justice and gun control….

but trying to be the NBA’s hallway monitor about what’s disrespecting the game while constantly sticking up for the biggest offender there is (by a goddamn mile) is annoying and hypocritical. I get why he does it but maybe don’t go out of your way to call other teams and players out for it then

changer591 · Apr 18, 2023

the moops said:
Holy hyperbole batman. It was a dirty play. There was zero chance of anyone dying. My god

You act like many of us didn't witness a football playing almost dying on the field after a fairly harmless looking play that looked a lot less impactful than what Draymond did.

lovegtm · Apr 18, 2023

Why is there an 8 second rule at all? There's 24-second clock. If a team is at 9 seconds getting back the half-court line, they're just harming themselves, no?

It adds urgency to getting out of the backcourt, increasing the possibilities for a team to apply pressure there, if desired.

It's a fine and good rule, no need to change.

Cellar-Door · Apr 18, 2023

I would not be particularly surprised if Draymond isn't suspended. The league hates suspending guys in the playoffs in recent years and Draymond is a prime example, he had to do like 5 suspendable things in a row before he got a game last time he was suspended.

nighthob · Apr 18, 2023

Jimbodandy said:
One can appreciate the Warriors' greatness and accomplishments and still think that they run a douchey ship, one that lets Dray run around kicking nuts, stomping chest, and punching teammates with no repercussions.

Kerr fosters this environment and should be called out for it. He doesn't have to dump on Green, but publicly defending him when he plays dirty is bullshit. It's amazing in contrast to the insane shade that he publicly threw Marcus's way for injuring Steph on an actual basketball play.

tl;dr; Kerr is a jerk

I would respect Kerr if he wasn’t such a preening prick about “integrity”. The guy has perennially had NBA bottom feeders on his roster whose only talent is injuring other players and is personally responsible for derailing Kawhi Leonard’s career (because the 32 year Count Pachulia didn’t belong in competitive playoff games unless you were looking to injure someone). He’s a bottom feeder and people should be treating him like a douchebag.

moondog80 said:
He's doing his job, which does not involve trying to be Walter Cronkite. Think of him like you do an attorney or an agent.

So you agree with me then, that everyone should think of him as a moral pariah.

InstaFace said:
How much experience do you have with broken ribs and punctured lungs?

One of the valuable things they emphasize in most martial arts dojos is just how ignorant most people are of the odds of serious, life-altering damage being done when grown adults get into actual, committed fistfights. We all think it's just play because when we were kids it was (more or less) just play, you don't realize that adults are 2x the size of a 10-year-old but like 10x the strength. The examples of someone getting hit just the right way and getting brain damage, hitting their cerebellum when they fall or whatever and getting a brain bleed, are legion. Now adjust for enormous, strong professional athletes. You think a 6'8", 250 lb Draymond Green stomping on an unsuspecting someone's chest with most of his weight behind it is mostly harmless, just gonna leave a bruise? You are ignorant. Go googling a bit and convince yourself of your own ignorance. Go check out some MMA examples, where the people on the receiving end are usually prepared for the blow and have a lot of training. Go watch the American History X curbstomping scene or something, because you need to imprint on examples that are a lot more violent and permanent than whatever video-game-induced nonsense has led you to believe this is all low risk. Sabonis doesn't have, ya know, "a bunch of hit points", and more of them because he's big. He has ribs that are roughly the same bone density as yours and mine. He has vital organs under them. That shit was fucked up.

(they generally go into some of this to try and prevent students from getting all cocky looking for fights once they've had a little training, i.e. to emphasize the value, the urgency of declining a fight whenever possible. Losing a fight is way worse than winning one is "good", etc.)

I remember a friend in high school (a Tae Kwon Do student) trying to tell me what the most powerful kick was, and laughingly explaining to him that no, it was the curb stomp. And when he disputed that I took him to wood shop and showed him just how easily I could break a joist (my legs were like tree trunks in those far off days). Those kicks are always dangerous. I’m happy to see that the NBA is finally getting semi half serious about dealing with this shithead. I wish they’d come down on him like this last June. Green usually commits 17 technical fouls by the end of the 1st quarter. The NBA could put an end to his shenanigans by telling refs to give Green the same whistle others get.

HomeRunBaker · Apr 18, 2023

slamminsammya said:
8 seconds would be when the clock is at 16:00 but when the clock SHOWS 16 it can be anywhere from 16:00 to 16:59 so the violation occurs when the clock first shows 15

This is correct. The rule is that you cannot possess the ball in the backcourt for more than 8 seconds. When the clock hits :16 that is 8 so it would need to read :15 to be more than 8.

HomeRunBaker · Apr 18, 2023

changer591 said:
You act like many of us didn't witness a football playing almost dying on the field after a fairly harmless looking play that looked a lot less impactful than what Draymond did.

Here ya go folks…..Domantas Sabonis has been mentioned in the same breath as Damar Hamlin. What time does Celtics game begin?

Jimbodandy · Apr 18, 2023

tbb345 said:
Kerr seems like a good person off the court. I appreciate his stances on social justice and gun control….

but trying to be the NBA’s hallway monitor about what’s disrespecting the game while constantly sticking up for the biggest offender there is (by a goddamn mile) is annoying and hypocritical. I get why he does it but maybe don’t go out of your way to call other teams and players out for it then

Well said.

I have no problem with a coach "no comment"-ing his way through a situation like this. But Kerr takes huge stands when one of his own guys takes the occasional fingernail and then does this. It's horseshit.

Back when we has CBS and Marcus was a little less mature than he is now, Brad would call timeout and read Marcus the riot act all of the way to the bench. Then post game he'd say a bunch of shit about how we all need to maintain our composure, and maybe we didn't all do that, gotta do better. It's a way of acknowledging the mistake without publicly eviscerating your own guy and shitting on his confidence. And maybe he'd say that it's up to the league on what happens next and we'll deal with the outcome blah blah.

There's a wide continuum on how to respond to this. Kerr consistently stakes out the poles, and it's embarrassing.

changer591 · Apr 18, 2023

HomeRunBaker said:
Here ya go folks…..Domantas Sabonis has been mentioned in the same breath as Damar Hamlin. What time does Celtics game begin?

Not soon enough.

Humphrey · Apr 18, 2023

DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
The Sabonis heel in the restricted area as well as Klay's three had me thinking, is it possible to use a smart court?

In theory they should be able to automate some of the officiating of these location-based calls. Let the refs deal with actual fouls etc. Maybe it isn't possible but I would guess this sort of feature would be welcomed. At the very least, there will be no more questions about whether its an eight, nine or 8:59 second violation.

What's the rule anyway? Do they do a hand count or depend on the shot clock? Anyone who's good enough to be an official in the NBA can probably do a hand count very accurately.

Humphrey · Apr 18, 2023

Cellar-Door said:
I would not be particularly surprised if Draymond isn't suspended. The league hates suspending guys in the playoffs in recent years and Draymond is a prime example, he had to do like 5 suspendable things in a row before he got a game last time he was suspended.

I think they'll come down harder on him for the interaction with the crowd than the foot stomp. That could have gotten out of hand pretty easily. On the other hand, I didn't see a lot of security folks in the area; kind of surprised Green didn't get pelted with stuff when he left the premises. Or is that just an East Coast type of thing?

Auger34 · Apr 18, 2023

I just watched the replay again from a different angle…I am stunned that none of the Kings players on the court went after Draymond.

the moops · Apr 18, 2023

HomeRunBaker said:
Here ya go folks…..Domantas Sabonis has been mentioned in the same breath as Damar Hamlin. What time does Celtics game begin?

Seriously. It was a dirty play. Nobody was near death. My god

Light-Tower-Power · Apr 18, 2023

He should get a game for his BS "what am I supposed to do?" defense alone. 99.9% of the league flops and draws the foul, but no, this asshole has to stomp on the guy.

the moops · Apr 18, 2023

InstaFace said:
You think a 6'8", 250 lb Draymond Green stomping on an unsuspecting someone's chest with most of his weight behind it is mostly harmless, just gonna leave a bruise? You are ignorant.

Harmless, no? Near death? GTFO

TripleOT · Apr 18, 2023

Sabonis could have a plausible excuse: 1) that he was protecting his head from Green’s foot, or 2) that he was engaging in the same gamesmanship Green did in delaying him from getting back up in Game 1.

Either one was not an excuse for the stomp.

Green needs to be suspended, If not, the Kings should insert a non-rotation reserve into Game three early to try to take his head off.

reggiecleveland · Apr 18, 2023

Draymond should have to slap fight Sabonis father and Arvydas goes first.

PedroKsBambino · Apr 18, 2023

TripleOT said:
Green needs to be suspended, If not, the Kings should insert a non-rotation reserve into Game three early to try to take his head off.

I checked their roster---not sure they have the guy.

I always wonder in this situation what the front offices are communicating to league office. We can imagine what GS is doing---if you were Sac, wouldn't you be sharing some combo of "you can't incent this behvior" and "don't force us to get much, much, much more physical to defend our players, that is not the game you want and we won't have a choice unless you discipline Green"

Smokey Joe · Apr 18, 2023

HomeRunBaker said:
Not really. Rui’s agents job is to bring Rob an offer sheet so his market, while diminished by his RFA status, will still be determined.

Jeez you’re right. I forgot about all the offer sheets Hachimura’s agent has to sort through before Pelinka decides what to pay him.

TripleOT · Apr 18, 2023

PedroKsBambino said:
I checked their roster---not sure they have the guy.

I always wonder in this situation what the front offices are communicating to league office. We can imagine what GS is doing---if you were Sac, wouldn't you be sharing some combo of "you can't incent this behvior" and "don't force us to get much, much, much more physical to defend our players, that is not the game you want and we won't have a choice unless you discipline Green"

Terence Davis or Richaun Holmes.

HomeRunBaker · Apr 18, 2023

Smokey Joe said:
Jeez you’re right. I forgot about all the offer sheets Hachimura’s agent has to sort through before Pelinka decides what to pay him.

I mean that’s literally how RFA works.

deanx0 · Apr 18, 2023

loshjott said:
is the X ray a way for the Warriors to bench Green due to "injury" before the NBA has a chance to?

I honestly think this is the Warriors way to counter the Woj report that Sabonis needed a chest X-Ray after the game, as in "what he did to Draymond was so bad that Green needed an X-Ray too!"

johnmd20 · Apr 18, 2023

The stomp was atrocious and, worse, Green using the stomp foot to plant and jump of Sabonis is just as bad.

It was dirty and it was an extended dirty move with the plant and jump, with an intent to hurt.

What a fuck face Green is. And I've always hated Klay and his fake, "I'm a good guy," attitude. When the chips are down, the true colors show up.

Mystic Merlin · Apr 18, 2023

reggiecleveland said:
Draymond should have to slap fight Sabonis father and Arvydas goes first.

Maybe a nice game of Rochambeau?

Kliq · Apr 18, 2023

deanx0 said:
I honestly think this is the Warriors way to counter the Woj report that Sabonis needed a chest X-Ray after the game, as in "what he did to Draymond was so bad that Green needed an X-Ray too!"

Yes it's clearly a move to make it seem like the two actions were equal. I'm pretty unconvinced Sabonis intentionally was grabbing Green's leg in the first place.

djbayko · Apr 18, 2023

Guys, you’re making the same mistake misunderstand how countdown clocks work that was made a few weeks ago in the NFL rule change thread

slamminsammya said:
8 seconds would be when the clock is at 16:00 but when the clock SHOWS 16 it can be anywhere from 16:00 to 16:59 so the violation occurs when the clock first shows 15

No, its exactly 16.00 seconds when the clock flips to 16. It it were 16.99 (you said :59 but that doesn’t make sense either - you’re thinking of 60 seconds in a minute rather than tenths or hundredths of seconds), then that means the 24 second clock starts at 24:99 (with the .99 not showing) and NBA teams have been getting almost 25 seconds this entire time. If you don’t believe me, think about what the clock starts at (24), what it flips to next (23) and exactly how many seconds are in between those.

HomeRunBaker said:
This is correct. The rule is that you cannot possess the ball in the backcourt for more than 8 seconds. When the clock hits :16 that is 8 so it would need to read :15 to be more than 8.

You say he’s correct but then give a different answer. Yours is more logical, although they can realistically call the violation any time after it flips 16 (because by then it will be 16.01 seconds or something) and don’t have to wait until 15.

Smokey Joe · Apr 18, 2023

HomeRunBaker said:
I mean that’s literally how RFA works.

And how often has it worked that way? We both know that it would take an extraordinary circumstance for anyone but Pelinka to have the power to decide Rui’s next contract, to suggest otherwise is disingenuous.

wade boggs chicken dinner · Apr 18, 2023

Humphrey said:
What's the rule anyway? Do they do a hand count or depend on the shot clock? Anyone who's good enough to be an official in the NBA can probably do a hand count very accurately.

They used to do a hand count but I think they went electronically these days. Here's an article from 2019: https://apnews.com/article/5339022990604f20ad3fff5f916bde0a

the moops · Apr 18, 2023

djbayko said:
No, its exactly 16.00 seconds when the clock flips to 16. It it were 16.99 (you said :59 but that doesn’t make sense either - you’re thinking of 60 seconds in a minute rather than tenths or hundredths of seconds), then that means the 24 second clock starts at 24:99 (with the .99 not showing) and NBA teams have been getting almost 25 seconds this entire time.

Yea, if it was that way, then once it went to zero, there would still be .99 seconds left on the clock

djbayko · Apr 18, 2023

the moops said:
Yea, if it was that way, then once it went to zero, there would still be .99 seconds left on the clock

Right. We went through this thing with the NFL play clock already. It’s kind of funny.

Pmoose82 · Apr 18, 2023

In the press conference after the game, Draymond said that Monk also grabbed his leg in game 1. Has anyone seen a clip of this? If it actually happened, I would think someone would have posted it on Twitter or r/NBA within minutes last night. I'm guessing that probably answers my question.

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