The first one is definitely a shot at Rich, but is that really much of an insult? That seems to me to be a sign of wisdom and self-care, not cowardice.[...]
Fred said, "... at least I don't run the show's Twitter/X account and don't have my own account to avoid criticism... okay now I'm back to being the dick."
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Fred says, "No no... something like Sandy Springs... or Kenesaw! Yes, definitely a neighborhood like Kennesaw... and graduates of Kennesaw State!"
Longtime listeners know that:
- Rich grew up in Kennesaw
- It's a stretch to say that Kennesaw is a suburb of Atlanta (like saying Nashua is a suburb of Boston)
- Rich, although going to Georgia Tech as well, took classes at Kennesaw State
Totally unnecessary cheap shots.
I'm sure Rich had his moments but I suspect it's in Hardy's economic interest not to side against his new de facto boss with the guy who left because he couldn't stand to be around said boss.Maybe, just maybe, Rich was actually kind of a dick? And that's why Hardy, who didn't work directly with him feels free to pile on?
Thank you!Bert called in to clarify how to interpret the scenario where Belichick's contract is transferred to another team - i.e. it is not a trade, it is compensation received for taking on a coach's contract. Breer said he was calling in on very little sleep so hoped he could describe concisely. He did so. Breer is known for lengthy answers to questions.
Hardy said, "Oh... you should do that more often." There was momentary silence from Breer before he repeated that he was operating on little sleep.
After Fred/Hardy/Wallach discussed whether that was insulting to Breer (it was), Fred said, "Oh... so now YOU'RE the dick on the show and not me."
*chuckles and "good ones"*
Then Fred said, "... at least I don't run the show's Twitter/X account and don't have my own account to avoid criticism... okay now I'm back to being the dick."
Moments later when they were discussing potential BB links to the (newly-open) Atlanta job, Fred said, "I wonder what neighborhood of Atlanta BB would show up in shirtless on a Ring camera..."
Wallach says, "Buckhead!"
Fred says, "No no... something like Sandy Springs... or Kenesaw! Yes, definitely a neighborhood like Kennesaw... and graduates of Kennesaw State!"
Longtime listeners know that:
- Rich grew up in Kennesaw
- It's a stretch to say that Kennesaw is a suburb of Atlanta (like saying Nashua is a suburb of Boston)
- Rich, although going to Georgia Tech as well, took classes at Kennesaw State
Totally unnecessary cheap shots.
I forgot to thank you for the synopsis - please accept my gratitude! What's weird is, like, don't they want people to come in and eat up the breaks so they don't have to do as much work?I mean, it's hardly a big deal, but it's just totally unnecessary and Fred continues to take the low road when the opportunity arises. Willing to give Hardy the benefit of the doubt that it was a Freudian slip on Breer (i.e. you can think it... just don't say it), especially since Breer has delivered so much content for Hardy's former and new shows. Long-winded or not, the Sports Hub in the morning has been dining on Breer's tidbits for years now. Unnecessary to toss a cheap shot his way.
I thought Fred said at one point a few weeks ago that BB was in Winthrop, but he could have just been sarcastic.I was listening and it was funny! Kennesaw is probably a pretty apt comparison to fall river or wherever belichick was taking that walk of shame
Maybe, just maybe, Rich was actually kind of a dick? And that's why Hardy, who didn't work directly with him feels free to pile on?
Anyway, I'm just gonna have my wife write the rest of the posts because this is a hostile work environment... (deep cut callback here)
Hardy's sarcasm and dry sense of humor at times is hard to determine if he's being a dick or just joking around. I rarely think he's a dick and just super dry humor. My sense of humor is the same way and I've had to make considerable efforts not to offend people. I never mean to but sometimes it comes out that way.I mean, it's hardly a big deal, but it's just totally unnecessary and Fred continues to take the low road when the opportunity arises. Willing to give Hardy the benefit of the doubt that it was a Freudian slip on Breer (i.e. you can think it... just don't say it), especially since Breer has delivered so much content for Hardy's former and new shows. Long-winded or not, the Sports Hub in the morning has been dining on Breer's tidbits for years now. Unnecessary to toss a cheap shot his way.
The intro sucks, but I am liking the portion I listen to. 6:00-6:45Hardy's sarcasm and dry sense of humor at times is hard to determine if he's being a dick or just joking around. I rarely think he's a dick and just super dry humor. My sense of humor is the same way and I've had to make considerable efforts not to offend people. I never mean to but sometimes it comes out that way.
I am enjoying Toucher & Hardy more than the last 3 years of T&R so far. I love Hardy. I wish they'd make some new changes to the show format to freshen it up. It's basically the same format with a new co-host.
WTF is with the intro? I thought that was a joke the 1st day, but it is still around. I hated the last T&R Intro, I was very partial to the first one, but this is trash. As they said it's Bar Mitzmah music on the first day, I thought it was a new show thing and a joke but hopefully it goes soon.The intro sucks, but I am liking the portion I listen to. 6:00-6:45
Not sure when Chad listened, but Fred was AWFUL today -- particularly during the Bankroll Bunch segment. He rambled incoherently when arguing with Lifshatz and Kendra and even talked down to Kendra a bit on her take on the draft and Pats. Hardy was barely able to get a word edgewise in today during any of the multiple interviews they did. Bad sign during an obviously very big news day.Chad Finn tweeted that the Hill show was "much better" than Toucher and Hardy this morning.
Agrée. Although I’ve found Fred insufferable for the last year. He used to balance it out with extreme humor. Now it’s mostly cringeworthy. I wonder when Hardy realizes he’s made a mistake ?Not sure when Chad listened, but Fred was AWFUL today -- particularly during the Bankroll Bunch segment. He rambled incoherently when arguing with Lifshatz and Kendra and even talked down to Kendra a bit on her take on the draft and Pats. Hardy was barely able to get a word edgewise in today during any of the multiple interviews they did. Bad sign during an obviously very big news day.
Fred should be giving his new cohost some space to grow into the role. From the small amount I've heard Fred is taking the space for himselfHardy’s still acting like a #3. Nowhere close to a #1a/cohost, which is required to counterbalance Fred. I get that he’s working his way in, but they can’t let the cement dry with Fred running roughshod over everyone.
... and nothing I've heard thus far has me dissuaded.I may be in the minority, but I think Beasley is betting on the wrong horse.
So, Rich said things on air Fred didn't like. Couldn't have been that crazy, since none of us even know what it was. Fred texts him things "from the course of our relationship" like a scorned lover."Earlier this year, Rich said some stuff on and off the air about me I didn't like. So I texted him some things that I had been holding on to from the course of our relationship that he did not like."
Because it makes people uncomfortable to acknowledge—even internally—that someone they really enjoy is probably the asshole.I like Fred and Rich. That said...
Why are people twisting themselves into pretzels to justify Fred's petty bullshit? Just want to make sure: wasn't it Fred struggling with alcohol, dragging his wife through bullshit, disappearing from the show to go into the boonies? This guys word is gospel?
Let's make sure we remember why he hates Rich:
So, Rich said things on air Fred didn't like. Couldn't have been that crazy, since none of us even know what it was. Fred texts him things "from the course of our relationship" like a scorned lover.
Fred's a fucking sideshow. I generally like his shtick, but why defend the guy? He's been nothing but an emotional midget ad long as we've known him.
There is also the small part of Rich and his wife trying to get Fred fired while he was out with the throat illnessI like Fred and Rich. That said...
Why are people twisting themselves into pretzels to justify Fred's petty bullshit? Just want to make sure: wasn't it Fred struggling with alcohol, dragging his wife through bullshit, disappearing from the show to go into the boonies? This guys word is gospel?
Let's make sure we remember why he hates Rich:
So, Rich said things on air Fred didn't like. Couldn't have been that crazy, since none of us even know what it was. Fred texts him things "from the course of our relationship" like a scorned lover.
Fred's a fucking sideshow. I generally like his shtick, but why defend the guy? He's been nothing but an emotional midget ad long as we've known him.
It's like when I read your posts in V&N.Because it makes people uncomfortable to acknowledge—even internally—that someone they really enjoy is probably the asshole.
It doesn’t sound like Rich was a very popular guy behind the scenes there, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they made the right decision about which horse to back to be on the air.Because it makes people uncomfortable to acknowledge—even internally—that someone they really enjoy is probably the asshole.
I think you’re beyond comfortable with me being the asshole.It's like when I read your posts in V&N.
Yeah, that's pretty rough. Not a team building move.There is also the small part of Rich and his wife trying to get Fred fired while he was out with the throat illness
Wasn't aware of this.There is also the small part of Rich and his wife trying to get Fred fired while he was out with the throat illness
All that drama from back in the day was stupid. Fred was making social media posts about Rich not reaching out to wish him well during his throat cancer scare. Those posts allegedly led to Rich getting pissed and asking management to step in. During one of those calls, apparently Rich's wife spoke for him to say the environment was toxic. It was all very weird and avoidable.Wasn't aware of this.
How did Richs wife get involved with that convo? That's weird.
Yeah, I don't think it's fair to say that Rich tried to get Fred "fired". Believe me: Fred would have made sure to point that out!All that drama from back in the day was stupid. Fred was making social media posts about Rich not reaching out to wish him well during his throat cancer scare. Those posts allegedly led to Rich getting pissed and asking management to step in. During one of those calls, apparently Rich's wife spoke for him to say the environment was toxic. It was all very weird and avoidable.
It’s your interpretation that Rich and Mary were trying to get him fired. Rich was furious because Fred was hinting that he had throat cancer (he did not) and Rich didn’t find it funny due to Mary’s very real brush with death.There is also the small part of Rich and his wife trying to get Fred fired while he was out with the throat illness
I think this nails the first couple weeks of the show. They can call the show “Toucher & Hardy”, but at the moment the dynamic is that it’s Fred’s show and Hardy is clearly subordinate.The flaw so far as I can tell is that it just seems like a continuation of Fred and Friends
To expect them to pick up right where rich left off is unrealistic. Touch and rich had almost 20 years of chemistry. From what my foggy memory recalls everyone hated them in 06 calling them an O&A rip off.I think this nails the first couple weeks of the show. They can call the show “Toucher & Hardy”, but at the moment the dynamic is that it’s Fred’s show and Hardy is clearly subordinate.
I suspect it’s going to take a long time for that dynamic to change and see them become equals. And it may never happen.
They definitely need to do more bits and start to build out the non-sports personality of the show. The thing they did in the 8am hour with the Wizard was good. But it wasn’t great. They just need more reps to get their banter down. That’s gonna take time.
I don’t expect that. Hence my use of the words “ I suspect it’s going to take a long time for that dynamic to change” and “ They just need more reps to get their banter down. That’s gonna take time.”To expect them to pick up right where rich left off is unrealistic. Touch and rich had almost 20 years of chemistry. From what my foggy memory recalls everyone hated them in 06 calling them an O&A rip off.
Yeah, Joe doesn't take it well when they bust his chops. They really need to trick him into doing a fake commercial like Wallach & JStew.Poor Joe Murray. Dudes just catching it from all sides. If he was on F&M today they might get him to cry.
He struggles to think, talk, listen, and read. Other than that, he's great.Poor Joe Murray. Dudes just catching it from all sides. If he was on F&M today they might get him to cry.