It says that per DARKO (perhaps the most respected all in one advanced stat), Kobe and Pierce were nearly identical in value throughout their careers, with Pierce enjoying a slightly longer peak.for the ignorant, wtf is this chart showing me?
It says that per DARKO (perhaps the most respected all in one advanced stat), Kobe and Pierce were nearly identical in value throughout their careers, with Pierce enjoying a slightly longer peak.for the ignorant, wtf is this chart showing me?
Said another way, it says that The Truth is the truth.It says that per DARKO (perhaps the most respected all in one advanced stat), Kobe and Pierce were nearly identical in value throughout their careers, with Pierce enjoying a slightly longer peak.
Said another way, Pierce was every bit as good as Kobe when it came to playing basketball in the NBA, even though he doesn't get that kind of credit.Said another way, it says that The Truth is the truth.
Shaq gave Pierce his nickname, but he gave Kobe a pass into the top 15 all-time of any list, and Wade into the top 35. Pierce didn't have a single all-NBA level teammate in his 20s, a sad fact that will forever deny him his due.Said another way, Pierce was every bit as good as Kobe when it came to playing basketball in the NBA, even though he doesn't get that kind of credit.
Well, I'd say it's more about knocking Kobe down a ton of pegs: he's the person not being properly rated by a ton of people.Said another way, Pierce was every bit as good as Kobe when it came to playing basketball in the NBA, even though he doesn't get that kind of credit.
@jezza1918 had this info early this morning. And I dashed off an email to a local LA station that was creaming themselves about Kobe and asked them whatever happened to journalism. Haven't heard back yetRight on cue, the LA Times today reports this:
"Thursday, just hours after the NBA’s trade deadline passes, the Lakers will unveil a Kobe Bryant statue outside their Crytpo.com Arena home and no one — save for a select few — knows how he’ll be memorialized."
Yes thx 4:29 am. The cobwebs were still thick.@jezza1918 had this info early this morning. And I dashed off an email to a local LA station that was creaming themselves about Kobe and asked them whatever happened to journalism. Haven't heard back yet
2/8/24 of course.Right on cue, the LA Times today reports this:
"Thursday, just hours after the NBA’s trade deadline passes, the Lakers will unveil a Kobe Bryant statue outside their Crytpo.com Arena home and no one — save for a select few — knows how he’ll be memorialized."
Amen. BTW: Pierce's one year on the Wizards should not be forgotten -- he was a force that made a blah team almost good.Said another way, Pierce was every bit as good as Kobe when it came to playing basketball in the NBA, even though he doesn't get that kind of credit.
Yup. Better than Lucille Ball and CR7 but still really bad.The statue blows as well.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39487127/kobe-bryant-immortalized-19-foot-bronze-statue-lakers-arenaJust one statue
Yep, I just corrected that. Gross.https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39487127/kobe-bryant-immortalized-19-foot-bronze-statue-lakers-arena
Per this article this was the first of three…other two locations and unveilings TBD
It’s like the old Peter Lucas line about a possible Kevin White statue. It should be Kobe Bryant shaking hands with Kobe Bryant while Kobe Bryant looks on and applauds.https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39487127/kobe-bryant-immortalized-19-foot-bronze-statue-lakers-arena
Per this article this was the first of three…other two locations and unveilings TBD
They'll probably wait until he's in the HOF, but if he ended himself on a motorcycle accident tomorrow, I think you can bet on it, yeah.Is Ben R getting a statue in Pitt?
I just wrote to another LA News station. Embarrassing how they are honoring this guyThe extent to which the fact that he was a sexual predator gets dropped down the memory hole really bothers me and it’s not like it’s just in LA where being willfully blind at least kind of make sense.
Is Ben R getting a statue in Pitt?
this made zero sense to me but after a little googling I gotta hand it to you, spot on.It’s like the old Peter Lucas line about a possible Kevin White statue. It should be Kobe Bryant shaking hands with Kobe Bryant while Kobe Bryant looks on and applauds.
It’s one of my favorite lines. It was so perfect here.this made zero sense to me but after a little googling I gotta hand it to you, spot on.
The extent to which the fact that he was a sexual predator gets dropped down the memory hole really bothers me and it’s not like it’s just in LA where being willfully blind at least kind of make sense.
Is Ben R getting a statue in Pitt?
I think I read it’s only 19’ tall as well? Why three statues? He’s not even the best player of his own franchise.. are there any Shaq, Kareem, Magic or Chamberlain statues.. or three for them as well?The statue blows as well.
What is he pointing to, a helicopter?Yup. Better than Lucille Ball and CR7 but still really bad.
View: https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1755747499241828579
You are doing yeoman’s work, keep doing it and thank you!I just wrote to another LA News station. Embarrassing how they are honoring this guy
Elgin Baylor and Jerry West deserve more too.I think I read it’s only 19’ tall as well? Why three statues? He’s not even the best player of his own franchise.. are there any Shaq, Kareem, Magic or Chamberlain statues.. or three for them as well?
The ground. The statue will be installed upside down.What is he pointing to, a helicopter?
I thought maybe he was noting the wonderful flying conditions. But I like yours better.The ground. The statue will be installed upside down.
Kobe the basketball player. Kobe the girl dad. And Kobe the violent rapist.I think I read it’s only 19’ tall as well? Why three statues? He’s not even the best player of his own franchise.. are there any Shaq, Kareem, Magic or Chamberlain statues.. or three for them as well?
I figured at least Jerry already had the logo.. it's like if Pierce had a statue.. without looking at the 20 other Celtics stars that had come before him. One statue for Kobe is ridiculous (especially with Black Mamba written on it).. no idea what the other two will be for and why they're even being considered let alone created.Elgin Baylor and Jerry West deserve more too.
I can see why they'd make that third one last.Kobe the basketball player. Kobe the girl dad. And Kobe the violent rapist.
I also texted harshly to a friend who works on Around The HornYou are doing yeoman’s work, keep doing it and thank you!
Echoing the thank you!I also texted harshly to a friend who works on Around The Horn
I’m seeing him next week and we’ll chat. If only Sarah Spain was still on the show . . .Echoing the thank you!
If possible to answer - do you ever get any kind of substantive reply?
"Detail" by Kobe Bryant.SO many typos on the base of the statue where there is a “copy” of the scoresheet from his 81 point game:
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/kobe-may-have-chased-perfection-but-his-statue-has-some-errors/3360865/
Decicion instead of Decision
Vom Wafer instead of Von Wafer
Basketball Hero instead of Rapist
I'm baffled that anyone can consider him better than Duncan, whose career nearly overlapped entirely with Kobe's. I get why Kobe would be more popular (played a more entertaining style, with the Lakers) but in terms of who was better, it wasn't that close. By the time the gap started closing between the two, Lebron was far and away the best player in the league:There are some relatively small number of NBA players who were considered by consensus , for some span of at least a few years, the obvious best player in the world. I am fuzzy as to whether that list includes Kobe.
He won an MVP, so there's a very good case to be made that a lot of people considered him the best that year. But he was never the general consensus “obvious best” the way that, say, Jordan and Lebron were at points in their careers, and there's only about a 3 year window (the seasons starting 2005–2007) when he was even really in the discussion for (non-obviously) best player.There are some relatively small number of NBA players who were considered by consensus , for some span of at least a few years, the obvious best player in the world. I am fuzzy as to whether that list includes Kobe.
It's interesting to note that from 2005-2007, the Lakers were 121-125 and didn't win any playoff series. When he wasn't playing alongside an all-NBA level center, his teams were the definition of average.He won an MVP, so there's a very good case to be made that a lot of people considered him the best that year. But he was never the general consensus “obvious best” the way that, say, Jordan and Lebron were at points in their careers, and there's only about a 3 year window (the seasons starting 2005–2007) when he was even really in the discussion for (non-obviously) best player.
c. 2002 I remember the Lakers were in a postseason game. They had been dominating early but got into foul trouble in the second half and things started tightening up. Bill Walton was commentating, and busted out some Walton-esque purple prose along the lines of “There's an enormous gulf, a wide chasm, an huge gap between the Lakers and every other team in the NBA, and right now that chasm is sitting on the bench.” He was referring to Shaq, who was in the middle of a 13 season streak of top-10 in the MVP voting (8 of them top-5), and was clearly considered the better player on those teams and up through 2004–2005, when Shaq was great in his first year with the Heat while Kobe struggled in his first year without Shaq and post-rape allegations (and lingering knee concerns).
And Duncan was better than Shaq.
By 2005, Lebron is on the scene; you can make a case for Kobe as the best player in one of the 2005–2007 years, but it's not an obvious consensus (Lebron, Garnett, Nowitski, Nash, and Duncan in some/all of those years, and Lebron was probably better than Kobe by a decent margin). And by 2008 if anyone was the consensus best, it was Lebron.