2019 Pats: In-Season Roster & Injury Discussion

Seels

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2005
4,948
NH
The Pats now have a higher point differential than every other positive team in the AFC combined.
 

lexrageorge

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2007
18,100
Not sure when the Pats will start practicing again. Normally, Monday is an off day for the players anyway. They will come in for meetings and getting treatment and doing individual workouts, but Harry and Cajuste would have already been eligible to go to meetings and use team facilities. So it could be Wednesday, the typical first practice day of the week, before we know anything. But this is an odd week with the game coming up on Monday night, so don't really know.

My guess based on Bill's comments is that Harry would have to pass the team's conditioning and strength drills before being activated.
 

RedOctober3829

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 19, 2005
55,300
deep inside Guido territory
Not sure when the Pats will start practicing again. Normally, Monday is an off day for the players anyway. They will come in for meetings and getting treatment and doing individual workouts, but Harry and Cajuste would have already been eligible to go to meetings and use team facilities. So it could be Wednesday, the typical first practice day of the week, before we know anything. But this is an odd week with the game coming up on Monday night, so don't really know.

My guess based on Bill's comments is that Harry would have to pass the team's conditioning and strength drills before being activated.
Their first real practice of the week will come on Thursday. They may have a walkthrough on Wednesday though.
 

BaseballJones

ivanvamp
SoSH Member
Oct 1, 2015
24,386
The Pats now have a higher point differential than every other positive team in the AFC combined.
The Pats' league rankings:

- Points scored: #1 (190)
- Points allowed: #1 (48)
- Point differential: #1 (+142)
- Total yards: #7 (2,318)
- Total passing yards: #5 (1,709)
- Total first downs: #8 (133)
- Scoring %: #14 (37.8% of drives ending in a score)
- Yards per play: #19 (5.5)
- TO %: #6 (8.1% of drives ending in a turnover)
- Avg drive starting position: #3 (own 32.6)
- Points per drive: #11 (2.16)
- Yards per play allowed: #1 (4.1)
- First downs allowed: #2 (76) - keep in mind that NE has played one fewer game than SF, who was #1 in this category at 65
- Pass yards allowed: #3 (966)
- Pass TD allowed: #1 (1)
- Interceptions: #1 (14)
- Net Y/A by opposition: #1 (4.1)
- Rush yards allowed: #6 (442)
- Opp scoring %: #1 (6.3% of opponents' drives end in a score)
- Opp TO %: #2 (20.3% of opponents' drives end in a TO)
- QB hurries: #5 (31)
- QB sacks: #2 (25)
- QB pressure %: #5 (29.3% of all pass attempts result in QB pressure by NE's defense)
- Missed tackles: #4 (24 missed tackles by Pats' defenders)

Long story short: the offense is still better than average. By most measurements, it's still pretty good. Not elite at this point, but pretty good. But the defense, obviously, is completely off the charts great.

A team can definitely win the Super Bowl with that combination.
 

Dogman

Yukon Cornelius
Moderator
SoSH Member
Mar 19, 2004
15,182
Missoula, MT
The Pats' league rankings:

- Points scored: #1 (190)
- Points allowed: #1 (48)
- Point differential: #1 (+142)
- Total yards: #7 (2,318)
- Total passing yards: #5 (1,709)
- Total first downs: #8 (133)
- Scoring %: #14 (37.8% of drives ending in a score)
- Yards per play: #19 (5.5)
- TO %: #6 (8.1% of drives ending in a turnover)
- Avg drive starting position: #3 (own 32.6)
- Points per drive: #11 (2.16)
- Yards per play allowed: #1 (4.1)
- First downs allowed: #2 (76) - keep in mind that NE has played one fewer game than SF, who was #1 in this category at 65
- Pass yards allowed: #3 (966)
- Pass TD allowed: #1 (1)
- Interceptions: #1 (14)
- Net Y/A by opposition: #1 (4.1)
- Rush yards allowed: #6 (442)
- Opp scoring %: #1 (6.3% of opponents' drives end in a score)
- Opp TO %: #2 (20.3% of opponents' drives end in a TO)
- QB hurries: #5 (31)
- QB sacks: #2 (25)
- QB pressure %: #5 (29.3% of all pass attempts result in QB pressure by NE's defense)
- Missed tackles: #4 (24 missed tackles by Pats' defenders)

Long story short: the offense is still better than average. By most measurements, it's still pretty good. Not elite at this point, but pretty good. But the defense, obviously, is completely off the charts great.

A team can definitely win the Super Bowl with that combination.
Other way around on the games played. SF has played one fewer.
 

ElcaballitoMVP

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 19, 2008
3,932
Is FB really that big of a need here? We're really talking about Elandon Roberts filling in? Yes, it's an important part of the run game, but I would think you could find a half dozen or so teams that are out of the playoff hunt that would be willing to give up a FB for a 6th-ish round draft pick.

I'm not going to go through depth charts of all the crap teams, but here are a few options:
DEN: Andrew Beck was mentioned upthread and he's behind rookie George Aston, another guy they could ask about.
PIT: Roosevelt "Bowling Ball" Nix- 5'11", 265.
MIA: Rookie Chandler Cox, 6', 260- rated the #2 FB in the draft last year.
NYG: Rhett Ellison TE/H-back type, experience blocking on the line and out of the backfield.
 

Mugsy's Jock

Eli apologist
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 28, 2000
15,069
UWS, NYC
I'm not going to go through depth charts of all the crap teams, but here are a few options:
DEN: Andrew Beck was mentioned upthread and he's behind rookie George Aston, another guy they could ask about.
PIT: Roosevelt "Bowling Ball" Nix- 5'11", 265.
MIA: Rookie Chandler Cox, 6', 260- rated the #2 FB in the draft last year.
NYG: Rhett Ellison TE/H-back type, experience blocking on the line and out of the backfield.
I like the Roosevelt Nix idea, but at least for now he’s on the shelf with a bad knee.
 

bigq

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
11,088
I’m unreasonably excited for Harry to come back.
I think he’s going to be great.
Agree with this. The Patriots never take WRs in the first round. The kid is big and strong with good hands and a great catch radius. I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do.
 

lexrageorge

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2007
18,100
I'm a bit nervous because there has been radio silence about Gordon since Thursday night/Friday morning. Rapaport said they "dodged a bullet" but we haven't heard what the injury is yet.
On the bright side, the Pats usually don't waste time putting a player on IR if he has a season ending injury.

Obviously, we still don't know if this will be the type of injury where Gordon misses a game and is fine, or misses 6 games and struggles after that.
 

DennyDoyle'sBoil

Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill
SoSH Member
Sep 9, 2008
42,297
AZ
If a player on IR begins to practice with the team (1) does he take up a roster spot right away, and (2) is he deemed to take up one of the two return spots as soon as he starts practicing?
 

BostonWolverine

New Member
Dec 6, 2017
109
Ann Arbor, MI
If a player on IR begins to practice with the team (1) does he take up a roster spot right away, and (2) is he deemed to take up one of the two return spots as soon as he starts practicing?
I've been under the impression its a no for #1 and a yes for #2. It happened to us a couple years ago where someone started practicing but had a setback never played for us but still ate up the return spot.
 

Saints Rest

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
I've been under the impression its a no for #1 and a yes for #2. It happened to us a couple years ago where someone started practicing but had a setback never played for us but still ate up the return spot.
Correct. And once he starts practicing, they have 21 days to make a decision to activate him to be one of the 53 or IR him for good.
Either way, he takes one DTR spot as soon as he practices one day.
 

lexrageorge

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2007
18,100
Correct. And once he starts practicing, they have 21 days to make a decision to activate him to be one of the 53 or IR him for good.
Either way, he takes one DTR spot as soon as he practices one day.
There is flexibility for when they start that 21 day clock as well. The team could decide that there may be no point in having him practice these 2 weeks if he cannot play anyway. I would be mildly surprised if he wasn't cleared to practice this week, but there is a chance it could be another week or two as well.
 

BostonWolverine

New Member
Dec 6, 2017
109
Ann Arbor, MI
There is flexibility for when they start that 21 day clock as well. The team could decide that there may be no point in having him practice these 2 weeks if he cannot play anyway. I would be mildly surprised if he wasn't cleared to practice this week, but there is a chance it could be another week or two as well.
For a rookie, every rep is critical. Especially if they want production out of him in the playoffs. If he is healthy enough to practice, I imagine they'll activate him right away.
 
Last edited:

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
53,850
There is flexibility for when they start that 21 day clock as well. The team could decide that there may be no point in having him practice these 2 weeks if he cannot play anyway.
I'm not following the logic though. Why would they not want him practicing every day he's eligible?
 

RetractableRoof

tolerates intolerance
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 1, 2003
3,836
Quincy, MA
I'm not following the logic though. Why would they not want him practicing every day he's eligible?
Just a juggling game I imagine. They might want to wait another few days to get a better read on others on the IR before committing to which one(s) to DTR. If they let Harry practice even once, they've committed him to one of the DTR slots.
 

DeadlySplitter

Member
SoSH Member
Oct 20, 2015
33,260
LaCosse's season is probably over, his roster spot will be needed before he's healed and he wouldn't be a IR-DTR
 

JohnnyTheBone

Member
SoSH Member
May 28, 2007
36,344
Nobody Cares
LaCosse's season is probably over, his roster spot will be needed before he's healed and he wouldn't be a IR-DTR
Not necessarily. An MCL might only take him out for a month. They could just make him inactive for the next three games, and then he could be ready after the bye. Unless there's a roster crunch, there's no reason to IR him.
 

DennyDoyle'sBoil

Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill
SoSH Member
Sep 9, 2008
42,297
AZ
LaCosse's season is probably over, his roster spot will be needed before he's healed and he wouldn't be a IR-DTR
I guess it depends what a “few” is. There’s not very much cap room left after the presumed Watson signing. They are almost at a point where you might think about holding a spot open just to avoid the cost of bringing a new salary onboard. Obviously though it doesn’t matter if you use the spot to bring a player off IR since you are paying him anyway.
 

InstaFace

The Ultimate One
SoSH Member
Sep 27, 2016
21,770
Pittsburgh, PA
LaCosse's season is probably over, his roster spot will be needed before he's healed and he wouldn't be a IR-DTR
why would you need it? if he's only out a few weeks, and you've got a roster spot courtesy of Jakob Johnson going on IR, what's the harm in keeping him on the 53 (and not the 46)?
 

lexrageorge

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2007
18,100
Among the Pats inactives for the Giants game:

Korey Cunningham, Byron Cowart, Damien Harris, Joejuan Williams, Cody Kessler, Burkhead, Dorsett

Burkhead and/or Dorsett should be active soon. Watson takes Johnson's space. And they have 2 weeks before they can take Harris off IR. Roster space is not a problem if they need to keep LaCosse inactive for a few weeks.
 

Time to Mo Vaughn

RIP Dernell
SoSH Member
Mar 24, 2008
7,204
They haven't put LaCosse on IR though.
Yeah. I'm not sure that'll be the move. With the extra rest between games, Chung should be able to hopefully handle more than the eight snaps that he played on Thursday. Doesn't look like Jordan Richards played any snaps in the secondary (in either week 5 or week 6). (Where does one find special team snap counts?) Richards could be cut to add a roster spot.
 

Super Nomario

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 5, 2000
14,012
Mansfield MA
Yeah. I'm not sure that'll be the move. With the extra rest between games, Chung should be able to hopefully handle more than the eight snaps that he played on Thursday. Doesn't look like Jordan Richards played any snaps in the secondary (in either week 5 or week 6). (Where does one find special team snap counts?) Richards could be cut to add a roster spot.
They're on pf-ref too. Richards played 13 ST snaps against the Giants, 25 against Washington. With Ebner back, his role was reduced, and once Burkhead returns, he's likely expendable.
 

j44thor

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 1, 2006
10,961
Cody Kessler hasn't been active yet has he? One has to think he is expendable at this point as well.