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Closing loop on the now locked Antonio Brown threads. Grievances filed against Raiders and Pats. Arbitration expected to be held in the SPRING.

That’s why some of us insisted for so long that none of that $9 million is going to the Patriots 2019 roster.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001062055/article/antonio-brown-files-grievances-seeking-more-than-40m?networkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env&pageKeyValues=team%3Dne;team%3Doak;conf%3Dafc;dvsn%3Dace;dvsn%3Dacw&sr=amp
 

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Closing loop on the now locked Antonio Brown threads. Grievances filed against Raiders and Pats. Arbitration expected to be held in the SPRING.

That’s why some of us insisted for so long that none of that $9 million is going to the Patriots 2019 roster.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001062055/article/antonio-brown-files-grievances-seeking-more-than-40m?networkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env&pageKeyValues=team%3Dne;team%3Doak;conf%3Dafc;dvsn%3Dace;dvsn%3Dacw&sr=amp
Does that mean the "Dream for Diggs" is still alive?
 

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Does that mean the "Dream for Diggs" is still alive?
> $200,000 fines for missed practices and unexcused absences.

But from comments on the threads here, we are close to desperate at WR. Explains the longish leash on AB.
 

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I sometimes wonder if Brady, Manning and Brees have Broken the NFL. Teams Draft a QB very high. That QB doesnt produce HOF levels and they cut/bench that player.

Mariota may be absolute trash. I havent watched enough Titans games to tell. I know his last game was horrendous. But overall all even with that dumpster fire against Denver he is at 59.12 Completion %, 1179 Yards, 7TDs and 2 Picks with a 91.7 rating. Before it he was at 61.7% and 7tds and no Picks.

Other then completion % which is near last in the league what is he doing wrong/different from other years? When your top targets are Adam Humphreys and the Fossil of Dalani Walker maybe the problem isnt your 26 yo league average QB.

So 1 bad game and you are benching a top 15-20 QB? For Ryan Tannahill?

As I say if your not TB or Brees (who we all know NEVER have bad games *Cough Buffalo) then teams will trade you out for guys off the scrap heap.

I look forward to the high Octane Titan offense now firing on all cylinders under Tannahill.
 

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Not sure where to put this, but I just stumbled across this fantastic article about Deandre Hopkins and his mother. With all of the shit individuals who play in the NFL, it is nice to read a story about a guy who seems to get it.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/27793196/the-incredible-survival-story-deandre-hopkins-mom?ref=[URL]https://www.espn.com/
Great article. For me, it's a sobering reminder of how many people are out there facing life circumstances like this - we only know about Greenlee here because her son became famous. What would her life (or her kids') be like without DeAndre making it? And I think about how many of us have support networks we could turn to, safety nets to catch us. How many millions more Sabina Greenlees are out there, crippled by circumstances out of her control, with little joy in her life and even less hope for improvement?
 

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I sometimes wonder if Brady, Manning and Brees have Broken the NFL. Teams Draft a QB very high. That QB doesnt produce HOF levels and they cut/bench that player.

Mariota may be absolute trash. I havent watched enough Titans games to tell. I know his last game was horrendous. But overall all even with that dumpster fire against Denver he is at 59.12 Completion %, 1179 Yards, 7TDs and 2 Picks with a 91.7 rating. Before it he was at 61.7% and 7tds and no Picks.

Other then completion % which is near last in the league what is he doing wrong/different from other years? When your top targets are Adam Humphreys and the Fossil of Dalani Walker maybe the problem isnt your 26 yo league average QB.

So 1 bad game and you are benching a top 15-20 QB? For Ryan Tannahill?

As I say if your not TB or Brees (who we all know NEVER have bad games *Cough Buffalo) then teams will trade you out for guys off the scrap heap.

I look forward to the high Octane Titan offense now firing on all cylinders under Tannahill.
Mariota's numbers are superficially decent, but the Titans are 28th in points and 27th in yards - 30th in points and yards per drive. In his five years as starter (counting this year), Tennessee has finished with an above-average offense only once - 14th in 2016.
 

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And thats a fair criticism of MM. But is none of that Henry or Lewis mid 3 ypc average? Or AJ Brown and Corey Davis Shitty receiving numbers? Or the 13.6 Sack%?

Again if you and others say much of that is because MM is holding the ball too long or not hitting open guys and so the Defenses can key on the Run then ok.

But This isnt just the Titans. So often QBs are traded out for someone just as or more shitty based on a game or 2.

I dont remember that being the so prevalent back before the Brady/Manning/Brees era. But I could be wrong about too.
 

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And thats a fair criticism of MM. But is none of that Henry or Lewis mid 3 ypc average? Or AJ Brown and Corey Davis Shitty receiving numbers? Or the 13.6 Sack%?

Again if you and others say much of that is because MM is holding the ball too long or not hitting open guys and so the Defenses can key on the Run then ok.

But This isnt just the Titans. So often QBs are traded out for someone just as or more shitty based on a game or 2.

I dont remember that being the so prevalent back before the Brady/Manning/Brees era. But I could be wrong about too.
MM is an interesting player. He looks to have all the tools, well respected in the league, loved by his teammates. He plays like he's either confused or afraid to be aggressive. He has never had much help, outside of Delani Walker, from any of his skill players or he can't elevate his teammates? I guess the Titans know their answer to that and they've had years of watching him.

The Ringer NFL show proposed MM to the Bucs this offseason and wondered aloud how that impact his career trajectory. Personally, I would love to see that. They also joked about Winston taking MM's place on the Titans and what a dumpster fire that would be. I would also sign up for that.
 

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I am certainly not making the case that he is top 5 Qb in the league. Nor would i go so far as to say you could win a SB with him. At least not without the 2000 Ravens D 2019 Patriots D and a Strong running game.

He does indeed play a game or 2 better then his expected W/L according to PFR. And every year (save his rookie) he has had a winning record. Often with decidedly mediocre coaching and teammates. (as @Willie Clay's Big Play points out.)

So mediocre coaches, mediocre teams, MM has had mediocre (or SLIGHTLY better results).

What I am complaining about (i guess) is how woefully run teams are. Why not try to build a team around him rather then replace him with a worse version. And again I guess I see this as an example of the NFL at large now, rather then a die on the hill argument for MM.. If you dont draft a QB that has MVP seasons right off the bat....."then I guess we need a different QB".
Fan and Management expectations are just so out of whack. Remember teams actually won SBs with Mcmahons, Rypiens, Williams, "Retirement Elway" Flaccos etc.
 

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I'm also not 100% sure the systems he's played in have played to his strengths all that well. It just always makes me wonder what would have happened if he ended up playing for a slightly more innovative coach than Mike Mularkey's ground and pound system early on in his career like the rumors that Chip Kelly really wanted him.
 

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I am certainly not making the case that he is top 5 Qb in the league. Nor would i go so far as to say you could win a SB with him. At least not without the 2000 Ravens D 2019 Patriots D and a Strong running game.

He does indeed play a game or 2 better then his expected W/L according to PFR. And every year (save his rookie) he has had a winning record. Often with decidedly mediocre coaching and teammates. (as @Willie Clay's Big Play points out.)

So mediocre coaches, mediocre teams, MM has had mediocre (or SLIGHTLY better results).

What I am complaining about (i guess) is how woefully run teams are. Why not try to build a team around him rather then replace him with a worse version. And again I guess I see this as an example of the NFL at large now, rather then a die on the hill argument for MM.. If you dont draft a QB that has MVP seasons right off the bat....."then I guess we need a different QB".
Fan and Management expectations are just so out of whack. Remember teams actually won SBs with Mcmahons, Rypiens, Williams, "Retirement Elway" Flaccos etc.
They let Mariota start 60+ games. How much more leash do you want them to give him? I agree with you if you're talking about Josh Rosen or somebody like that, but Mariota has had chances; he just isn't very good. He's reaching the point where his rookie contract is nearly up so he's going to be not cheap and not good instead of cheap and not good. The Titans are likely moving on anyway.

And I'd say they have tried to build around him. He's playing with two first-round OTs, a top-five WR, another pretty highly picked WR, Walker, FA splashes in Saffold, Lewis, Humphries, highly picked Derrick Henry, etc. The D has been good and the offense has been a tire fire.
 

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Again all fair points....if the alternative wasnt Tannahill. Say they had a young QB who was the future, then ok maybe we give new guy some run.

I guess they are trying to tank?
 

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Again all fair points....if the alternative wasnt Tannahill. Say they had a young QB who was the future, then ok maybe we give new guy some run.

I guess they are trying to tank?
Tannehill is a similar kind of mediocre QB to Mariota when you get right down to it. I don't think anyone's under the illusion that he's a longterm answer, but there are going to be consequences when the offense is as terrible as TEN's has been.
 

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Tannehill is a similar kind of mediocre QB to Mariota when you get right down to it. I don't think anyone's under the illusion that he's a longterm answer, but there are going to be consequences when the offense is as terrible as TEN's has been.
Yep. There's a phrase I use (in a different context) when describing a choice between uninspiring or just plain not-that-different options: "if it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter." There's little to choose between the two, I'm not sure it's worth getting worked up about unless you're related to one of them.
 

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That 72 million dollar contract was incredible for Brock. Almost all of that money was an overpay. Kudos to Brock for turning that masterful 2015 performance into such a bountiful windfall. Less impressive was Houston paying him that much.
 

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That 72 million dollar contract was incredible for Brock. Almost all of that money was an overpay. Kudos to Brock for turning that masterful 2015 performance into such a bountiful windfall. Less impressive was Houston paying him that much.
How much of that did Brock actually receive in the end?

(Sorry to ask, but I’m on the road a few time zones away and am two fogged to try and look this up)
 

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I don't think he got a dollar more than his guaranteed money. He was cut in year 2 of his deal and was paid out about $36MM from the Texans and browns. Earned a little more than $41MM in his career.
 

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I don't think he got a dollar more than his guaranteed money. He was cut in year 2 of his deal and was paid out about $36MM from the Texans and browns. Earned a little more than $41MM in his career.
This is correct according to Spotrac.com on earnings. Huge payday from Houston and Cleveland. Made his bread because of the 2015 season with Peyton going down and his quality stats. But boy he is one lucky sob. Seriously $41 million for a half season of play with a stacked team behind him.

edit: he did earn about 3.4 million on his rookie contract with Denver
 
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The Browns took Nick Chubb with the pick they received in taking Brock's contract. So that worked out for them.
 

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Don't know where else to put this, but after leaving his role as DC of the Steelers following 2014, Dick LeBeau was DC / Asst HC in Tennessee, through 2017, a year during which he turned EIGHTY YEARS OLD.

Marv Levy's a quitter.
 

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Don't know where else to put this, but after leaving his role as DC of the Steelers following 2014, Dick LeBeau was DC / Asst HC in Tennessee, through 2017, a year during which he turned EIGHTY YEARS OLD.

Marv Levy's a quitter.
So 19 rings is in play?
 

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Don't know where else to put this, but after leaving his role as DC of the Steelers following 2014, Dick LeBeau was DC / Asst HC in Tennessee, through 2017, a year during which he turned EIGHTY YEARS OLD.

Marv Levy's a quitter.
How hard is it to be a DC where you basically every week "do what we do" and play zone D? No wonder why he made it to 80.
 

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Going by the draft chart calculator and assuming the Patriots and Niners will both be drafting near the end of their respective rounds, the difference between what the Patriots paid for Sanu and what Denver paid for Sanders is a very late 3rd round pick.

Sanders salary is $6M on the year compared to $3.5M for Sanu, so that makes the cap space difference for the year about $1.5M in additional space needed to bring on Sanders vs Sanu. Additionally Sanders is a unrestricted free agent at the end of the year, whereas Sanu has a $6.5M salary with no dead cap space. Given Sanders is a free agent next year, there is also no ability to restructure as part of the trade to save cap space this season.
 

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Niners bringing in Sanders after the Sanu domino fell:

View: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1186716765084094469
I actually kind of like that deal better than our Sanu deal.

Using the current standings and the trade value chart, 49ers gave up 127 points for Sanders and the Patriots gave up 270 points for Sanu.

I guess the second year of Sanu makes up some difference, but if that deal was available to us, I sort of like it better. Both are similar in cap effect, unless the Falcons are taking some of the cap hit.

With Sanders on a one-year deal and the Broncos not playing us this year I can't imagine Elway cared about not trading him in conference or to us. I really wonder if this deal was on the table for us.

Edit: Darnell beat me to most of this, though we don't entirely agree. It's right though that Sanders is more expensive this year.

Edit 2: Actually, I think I had it right. Miguel has Sanu's cap hit for the rest of the year at 3,529,412 and Sanders in a week 7 trade would be 3,546,712, so similar cap effects.
 
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Kinda steep, but the Niners' 4th and Broncos' 5th will likely only be a handful of slots apart. It's really a 3rd plus change to rent a guy they think gives their SB chances a boost.