2019 NLCS - Nationals vs Cardinals - Gamethread

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Nats fans should definitely root for the Yankees from here, in case that's not obvious. I honestly think WAS would be favorites over NY with their whole rotation rested and lined up but at least they have to root for NY to push it to 7, right?
I just threw up a little. I can't imagine a Nationals fan rooting for the Yankees unless they're a displaced New Yorker or something.
 

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eh id rather lose to the astros than to the yankees. nobody wants to be on the other end of a yankees WS win

sorry man your team is the most hated among all fan bases
 

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the Astros offense is still only half functional right now. there's every chance the Nats will be competitive against anyone.

the Nats probably only root that the series goes at least 6.
 

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Nats fans should definitely root for the Yankees from here, in case that's not obvious. I honestly think WAS would be favorites over NY with their whole rotation rested and lined up but at least they have to root for NY to push it to 7, right?
Couldn’t agree more. Many are eager to see a battle of great starting rotations; I’d take my chances against Yankee bats instead.
 

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Nats fans should definitely root for the Yankees from here, in case that's not obvious. I honestly think WAS would be favorites over NY with their whole rotation rested and lined up but at least they have to root for NY to push it to 7, right?
LOL
 

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Nats fans should definitely root for the Yankees from here, in case that's not obvious. I honestly think WAS would be favorites over NY with their whole rotation rested and lined up but at least they have to root for NY to push it to 7, right?
Nah. I just got home from the game and was looking at prices on Stubhub for the Workd Series games in DC. They’re high enough already without Yankees fans driving them up even more.
 

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If the Astros win - what was the last WS with 4 starters the quality of Strasburg, Scherzer, Cole and Verlander?
 

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If the Astros win - what was the last WS with 4 starters the quality of Strasburg, Scherzer, Cole and Verlander?
2009. Pedro, Cliff Lee, Sabathia, Pettitte. I know the bottom three don’t sound like much but when you average in Pedro (yes, even Phillies Pedro), it takes you over the top.
 

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2009 Pedro was nothing special, and he was out of baseball right after that.

I think you need to include Greinke and Corbin in this year's and one I can think of is 1999 NYY/ATL, Cone/Clemens/Pettitte/El Duque against Maddux/Smoltz/Glavine/Millwood. Maybe there is a really good one in between there too, but that is the first to come to mind.
 

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Some of this may be a function of who i run with, but in my experience Nats fans don't hate the Yankees like Sox fans, but they do hate them like everyone else in America.

I'm also pretty confident Nats fans would loathe losing 1/3 of their stadium to New Yorkers in the World Series.
 

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Some of this may be a function of who i run with, but in my experience Nats fans don't hate the Yankees like Sox fans, but they do hate them like everyone else in America.

I'm also pretty confident Nats fans would loathe losing 1/3 of their stadium to New Yorkers in the World Series.
I agree with this. Nobody hates the Yankees like Sox fans.

I'm not a good comp because I grew up a Sox fan and I remember the 1970s, and I remain a Sox fan. But gradually since 2005 when the Nats began they've become my #1 team. Having 3 boys who play/played baseball in the area and are life long Nats fans, and being friends/season ticket group co-holders with other baseball parents who are all big fans, this postseason has been a dream.

I haven't lived in New England for 20+ years so during this 4 team Boston dominance era I've never experienced the day to day joy of living in a place during a championship run. (Caps not withstanding, but I'm not a big hockey fan) It certainly is great. Now I hope the Nats are not the 2007 Rockies and just happy to be there.
 

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true. They've kind of sucked post-Gibbs though.
They have sucked for 20 years. With the Orioles apparently having seen the light, the Washington football team stands alone as probably the worst franchise in professional sports. They run Baghdad Bob out there, in the person of Bruce Allen, to tell the fan base everything is good. They play the spite and grievance game like no one else.

It is glorious to be in this city at this time. To see the Caps and Mystics win championships and the Nationals go to the World Series.
 

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If the Astros win - what was the last WS with 4 starters the quality of Strasburg, Scherzer, Cole and Verlander?
I think the question gets even tougher to answer when you make it 6 and add in Greinke and Corbin, one of whom is a possible HoFer and both of whom are in the top 15 in MLB in fWAR over the past four years. I'd say the last time two teams with that kind of elite, evenly matched rotation depth met in the Series was maybe the late 90s when the Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz Braves were facing the Clemens/Cone/Pettitte/El Duque MFY. It reminds me of the 69 Mets/O's series (Seaver/Koosman/Gentry vs. Palmer/Cuellar/McNally), but Gentry wasn't really in the class we're talking about, though he was a good young pitcher before he blew his arm out.
 

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Some of this may be a function of who i run with, but in my experience Nats fans don't hate the Yankees like Sox fans, but they do hate them like everyone else in America.

I'm also pretty confident Nats fans would loathe losing 1/3 of their stadium to New Yorkers in the World Series.
Well, the Nationals fanbase is an interesting one and I think that is why they don't actually hate anyone. Most of their fanbase has been fans of other teams at one time in their life, or are even still fans of other teams. Whether it be transplants like myself and many other people on this board that moved here from other parts of the country, or even locals who are former Orioles fans.

The true native fanbase is really only coming up now and may even been peaking at just the right time as the kids who were here when they came to DC are now young adults.
 

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Some of this may be a function of who i run with, but in my experience Nats fans don't hate the Yankees like Sox fans, but they do hate them like everyone else in America.

I'm also pretty confident Nats fans would loathe losing 1/3 of their stadium to New Yorkers in the World Series.
Yeah, I think most Nats fans consider Yankee fans more of an annoyance than as enemies. The reason they won’t want to face the Yankees in the World Series is not because of some deep desire to see the Yankees fail, it’s just, as you said, not wanting to have to deal with the Yankee fans in the stadium. There were a few Dodger fans at the NLDS game I went to, but nothing too annoying. I saw only a couple of people last night wearing Cardinal gear and didn’t hear a peep from any of them.
 

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Well, the Nationals fanbase is an interesting one and I think that is why they don't actually hate anyone. Most of their fanbase has been fans of other teams at one time in their life, or are even still fans of other teams. Whether it be transplants like myself and many other people on this board that moved here from other parts of the country, or even locals who are former Orioles fans.

The true native fanbase is really only coming up now and may even been peaking at just the right time as the kids who were here when they came to DC are now young adults.
They hate Philly pretty legit.
 

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So happy for the Nationals. I grew up in Vermont as a Sox fan but went to Expos games at Jarry Parc, (to see Hank Aaron, he sat) and Olympic Stadium.
I moved to the DC area in the 80's. Got to go to the first ever Nats home game only months after the glory of '04. Vinnie Castillo was going for the cycle and he got hit by a pitch. Boy, did we boo.
Now I live a few miles from Ted Williams Pkwy in San Diego and I'll be rooting from afar for the Nats to get it done.
 

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2009 Pedro was nothing special, and he was out of baseball right after that.

I think you need to include Greinke and Corbin in this year's and one I can think of is 1999 NYY/ATL, Cone/Clemens/Pettitte/El Duque against Maddux/Smoltz/Glavine/Millwood. Maybe there is a really good one in between there too, but that is the first to come to mind.
Sorry to be late to this party, but any and EVERY 2009 post season discussion has to center around the dominance and single handed responsibility of HGHed TO THE MAX AROD CARRYING THE 2009 YANKEES. 2009 can only be referred to as the AROD CHAMPIONSHIP.
 

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Cool, what term are we using for the two titles Manny Ramirez was a part of in Boston? Going down this road is ridiculous.
 

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They have sucked for 20 years. With the Orioles apparently having seen the light, the Washington football team stands alone as probably the worst franchise in professional sports. They run Baghdad Bob out there, in the person of Bruce Allen, to tell the fan base everything is good. They play the spite and grievance game like no one else.

It is glorious to be in this city at this time. To see the Caps and Mystics win championships and the Nationals go to the World Series.
Different thread but the Pirates are the worst run of all professional sports franchises in America.
 

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Seattle Mariners are the only team in MLB history to never make the world series. I hope the Nats win so the Redskins can be pushed even further into the obscurity they deserve. Fuck Dan Snyder and their racist name

edit: easily one of my fav daily show segments. i miss jon stewart

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loK2DRBnk24
 

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Cool, what term are we using for the two titles Manny Ramirez was a part of in Boston? Going down this road is ridiculous.
I missed the part where Manny admitted to using in 2004, 2007 or at any time with the Sox, and then was banned an entire year based on admitted he used as a Sox. Arod admitted using, and damning evidence all the way back up until 2010 was released, and nothing else, as part of his agreement. Pretty clear MLB wanted to omit 2009 to avoid a can of worms of every title from about 1989 onward. There is a mountain of evidence Arod used while a Yankee, including 2009, and used sophisticated measures to beat tests. It is hard to consider Manny's attempts anything but amateurish. You proposition is that Manny was sophisticated enough to beat tests while in Boston, yet after leaving was clownishly getting caught using in the open? Arod began to lie in 2009 about using drugs and admitted to his 2001 Ranger use, because investigators were getting close, and has since admitted he was lying.

Sorry it bothers you. But most of the previous century titles are not so horrible tainted.
 
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eh i mean this team was really just three guys

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/ARI/2001.shtml
and man look at Gonzalez's line for the year. no chance in hell that guy wasnt juicing every other weekend

edit: looking at his career stats in his 20s, he kind of looks like beni. imagine beni keeping up his current stat line and then hitting 57 HRs at 33 lol. man that era was so obviously loaded with drug use
 
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I missed the part where Manny admitted to using in 2004, 2007 or at any time with the Sox, and then was banned an entire year based on admitted he used as a Sox. Arod admitted using, and evidence up back up until 2010 was released, and nothing else as part of his agreement. There is a mountain of evidence Arod used while a Yankee,including 2009, and used sophisticated measures to beat tests. It is hard to consider Manny's attempts anything but amateurish. You rpoposition is that Manny was sophisticated enough o beat tests while in Boston, yet after leaving was clownishly getting caught using in the open? Arod began to lie in 2009 about using drugs and admitted to his 2001 Ranger use, because investigators were getting close, and has since admitted he was lying. Way, way, way more evidence for 2009, in which he was dominant, was a drug year.

Sorry it bothers you. But most of the previous century titles are not so horrible tainted.
Haha, if you don't think there were a dozen guys juicing on every team during that era (including players you hold most dear) there isn't much to say.

It's like arguing with an anti-vaxxer.
 

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Haha, if you don't think there were a dozen guys juicing on every team during that era (including players you hold most dear) there isn't much to say.

It's like arguing with an anti-vaxxer.
yeaaa i hate the yankees but pulling out 2009 seems pretty arbitrary.
 
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