NFL FA Frenzy Game Thread

Ferm Sheller

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He'll be 33 in July. Isn't that deal a little crazy?

If he still has a lot of gas in the tank, thank God he didn't go to the Chiefs.
 

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He'll be 33 in July. Isn't that deal a little crazy?

If he still has a lot of gas in the tank, thank God he didn't go to the Chiefs.
I think the deal as initially reported here is definitely a bit crazy. I just also know deals are never as initially reported.

Knowing paraag (niners cap guy) there will be all sorts of outs.
 

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Need to see the contract structure and how much in the first few years but $30M SB and 55M guarantee don't seem too insane. Those numbers suggest they are betting they they can get 3 more excellent seasons out of him. Of course "guarantee" doesn't mean fully guarantee at signing either.
 

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If Harry is part of a Brissett-Dorsett swap of blah #1's, who's the QB coming to the Pats? Rosen?
 

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If Harry is part of a Brissett-Dorsett swap of blah #1's, who's the QB coming to the Pats? Rosen?
Dan McGwire. But honestly, we'd be ripping them off.

EDIT: Went for the low blow. Just so frustrated by Harry. He's like Dez Bryant (seriously his combine stats are freakishly similar) but with zero feel for the game and zero sense of the million little technique things that make such a difference. Then every now and then he just plays and rips it and it looks great, and then he fucks up another ten plays in a row.
 
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Makes a lot more sense, that they wouldn't be able to get anything for him seemed crazy
Wow didn't they announce they were going to cut him? Now they're getting a third for him?

That seems high considering the Raider's lack of leverage. Of course, I think the fact that Hudson was a great fit in either KC or Seattle probably motivated this deal for both sides.
 

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Do we know for sure they wouldn't? Maybe he didn't want to play in NE. Always hard to tell with these things.
We don’t. Possible he didn’t want to play with Cam again or that we weren’t as interested, for whatever reason. Who knows. Do think he would have been a very nice player with Josh.
 

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It makes the Agholor signing more puzzling.
May have been that Patriots went in with a smaller offer, he rejected it think there was more to be had elsewhere, and the Patriots moved on while he found out the market price.

So many scenarios that can be drawn ... and, since we don't know anything, we can speculate but not assign motivation.
 

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Algholor is an different player though, right? Vertical threat. Something they didn’t really have in the Gronk-Hernandez days.
 

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Algholor is an different player though, right? Vertical threat. Something they didn’t really have in the Gronk-Hernandez days.
Yes he is. With the money the Pats have though, I would've rather had Samuel at that price than Bourne, but as was said above we don't really know the entirety of what goes on in this process.
 

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I think Agholor over Samuel could largely be a function of role. The Pats have a stable of short/intermediate pass catchers with Jonnu, Henry, Bourne, Edelman, and Jakobi (2019 ADOT range from 5.7 to 10.3 with the 10.3 for Meyers good for 56th in the league). Samuel is crazy fast, but isn't really a great deep receiver - he was far less effective in 2019 when miscast in that role (15.2 ADOT vs. 7.1 this year). Agholor brings something completely different to the offense.
 

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I think Agholor over Samuel could largely be a function of role. The Pats have a stable of short/intermediate pass catchers with Jonnu, Henry, Bourne, Edelman, and Jakobi (2019 ADOT range from 5.7 to 10.3 with the 10.3 for Meyers good for 56th in the league). Samuel is crazy fast, but isn't really a great deep receiver - he was far less effective in 2019 when miscast in that role (15.2 ADOT vs. 7.1 this year). Agholor brings something completely different to the offense.
But really they could have had both Samuel and Algholor and still be in solid cap position. That said maybe 48 hours ago they thought Samuel wouldn’t sign for that low so they got a lesser cheaper version in Bourne while they had the opportunity.
 

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Yeahhhh...I mean this is why going all-in on D1 of free agency is usually an awful strategy that only dumb teams do because you're going to overpay compared to deals to be found later.

I think most of what they did is ~fine & there are some unique circumstances with the cap that make this an interesting year to try this strategy... but they might look foolish on several of these contracts compared to the deals that teams that waited end up getting.
 

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Yeahhhh...I mean this is why going all-in on D1 of free agency is usually an awful strategy that only dumb teams do because you're going to overpay compared to deals to be found later.

I think most of what they did is ~fine & there are some unique circumstances with the cap that make this an interesting year to try this strategy... but they might look foolish on several of these contracts compared to the deals that teams that waited end up getting.
I think you are right, and I think Belichick is well aware of this, but I think they took a calculated risk this year and determined that an early spending spree that basically allowed them to pick and choose who they wanted was worth it, as opposed to waiting until some players' asking prices went down but potentially getting a lesser caliber of player.
 

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May have been that Patriots went in with a smaller offer, he rejected it think there was more to be had elsewhere, and the Patriots moved on while he found out the market price.

So many scenarios that can be drawn ... and, since we don't know anything, we can speculate but not assign motivation.
If you read between the lines of the Rappaport reporting, looks like he wanted to reunite with Rivera.
 

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I think you are right, and I think Belichick is well aware of this, but I think they took a calculated risk this year and determined that an early spending spree that basically allowed them to pick and choose who they wanted was worth it, as opposed to waiting until some players' asking prices went down but potentially getting a lesser caliber of player.
I dont think its right.

The risk of overpaying is always there. You could pay day 1, get your guys, and find out it was an overpay. Or you could wait, watch the supply dwindle, and then get stuck in a bidding war for what's left and end up with a worse piece for a large price tag.

Theres no science to this. It's all a gamble.
 

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I dont think its right.

The risk of overpaying is always there. You could pay day 1, get your guys, and find out it was an overpay. Or you could wait, watch the supply dwindle, and then get stuck in a bidding war for what's left and end up with a worse piece for a large price tag.

Theres no science to this. It's all a gamble.
I mean, there's years of history showing this is the case in general, but obviously there are exceptions. My primary point, though, is that we can't both be excited that we went all-in early this year, & be disappointed that other players later are going to look like bargains compared to some of our signings.

I am cautiously optimistic it will all work out because I trust BB over the GMs who are usually making these d1 shopping sprees to pay the right guys.

The 2 biggest errors you usually see bad teams make d1 are overpaying for JAGs & giving huge guarantees to guys who are talented but over-the-hill or not a system fit or just not actually a difference maker.

Patriots went with young, top of the market players who seem to fit their system for the most part, so that's good. Agholor, Bourne, Godchaux & maybe Wise/Anderson are usually the type of d1 guys who turn out to be overpays, but I'm just going to trust BB on those.
 

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I don't really get the Samuel love.
Agholor has been the better WR, including this last season. Agholor is the exact type of WR you need if you want to run a lot of 12, while Samuel is not at all.
Samuel is a fun gadget guy who might also be a solid slot WRs, Agholor is a legit deep threat.
People got way too excited by CAR feeding him targets and the occasional rush.