NBA Trade Deadline - Buyout Season Thread

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Are there any interesting buyout candidates left? Barring something insane like Horford getting bought out, I haven’t heard anything.
Looks like Porter won't.

Guys who might, but so far haven't:
Olynyk
Cory Joseph
Whiteside
Cousins

Nobody who moves the needle much.
 

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Looks like Porter won't.

Guys who might, but so far haven't:
Olynyk
Cory Joseph
Whiteside
Cousins

Nobody who moves the needle much.
Yeah, I guess maybe Olynyk is interesting. Pretty hard pass on the other guys--I'd rather audition Wagner+Kornet for the 3rd string center role at that point.
 

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What about "stapled to the bench for the season" Al Horford?
 

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Happy for IT. New Orleans is all offense/no defense anyway so his weaknesses will be less of a problem.
 

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He was terrible in the 3 games with the pelicans and would require them to likely cut Edwards and eat his dead money going forward, who has at least a non zero chance of maybe being something with a full offseason of development.

His role on this team would also be what, 4th point guard? So he'd turn into the guard version of Tacko where the fans want him to play a lot more than he actually deserves and no one would be happy.
 

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It wouldn’t hurt to have someone on the bench who could credibly score a little against second units, like maybe 10 minutes a game, but I’m not sure IT is that guy anymore.
 

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He was terrible in the 3 games with the pelicans and would require them to likely cut Edwards and eat his dead money going forward, who has at least a non zero chance of maybe being something with a full offseason of development.

His role on this team would also be what, 4th point guard? So he'd turn into the guard version of Tacko where the fans want him to play a lot more than he actually deserves and no one would be happy.
They could cut Wagner instead
 

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It wouldn’t hurt to have someone on the bench who could credibly score a little against second units, like maybe 10 minutes a game, but I’m not sure IT is that guy anymore.
He’s been one of the leagues worst offensive players each of the past couple years he’s played. Those numbers pass the eye test as well. He was done three teams ago.
 

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It wouldn’t hurt to have someone on the bench who could credibly score a little against second units, like maybe 10 minutes a game, but I’m not sure IT is that guy anymore.
Carsen would probably be better in that role at this point. Plus they'll eventually have Fournier.
 

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They could cut Wagner instead
They could, but then instead of being the 4th best small guard guard on the roster he'd be the 5th best.

Plus Wagner is insurance if TL or TT gets hurt and he's a better matchup than Kornet. IT isn't insurance against anything.
 

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They could, but then instead of being the 4th best small guard guard on the roster he'd be the 5th best.

Plus Wagner is insurance if TL or TT gets hurt and he's a better matchup than Kornet. IT isn't insurance against anything.
If they have to cut Wagner to bring in IT, then we have "I don't have to watch Wagner" insurance. Count me in.
 

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If they have to cut Wagner to bring in IT, then we have "I don't have to watch Wagner" insurance. Count me in.
Watching IT would be worse, because you'd be expecting all these things that he can't do anymore. Plus, Wagner isn't playing right now anyway and he won't unless someone gets hurt, but he's better in an emergency than Tacko is.
 

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You all just want IT and Tacko Time.

Which is totally fine, but that's really all it would be. I dunno if he'd have much of a role in Miami or MIlwaukee either though.
No. We want a rotation of Tacko, Waters, IT, Edwards, Pritchard...obviously. Maybe stack them up inside a giant trenchcoat.
 

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They could, but then instead of being the 4th best small guard guard on the roster he'd be the 5th best.

Plus Wagner is insurance if TL or TT gets hurt and he's a better matchup than Kornet. IT isn't insurance against anything.
I'm not really advocating for IT, but Wagner is terrible, and if he is called upon because either or both TL and TT got hurt this team is toast anyway.
 

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I'm not really advocating for IT, but Wagner is terrible, and if he is called upon because either or both TL and TT got hurt this team is toast anyway.
Wagner has been a fairly competent bench big over the last couple years. I'm not going to put much stock in the 50 minutes of no-practice game time he got since the trade. He's a 3rd/4th C and he's shown as recently as this year in WAS that he's decent enough at it. Certainly he's closer to being in an NBA rotation than IT who is 4 years removed from being a roster-worthy player.
 

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I didn't watch any of IT last year, but in 40 games he played 23 minutes and shot 41% from three on 4.7 attempts. That seems more like a deep bench guy than Edwards or Waters
 

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I didn't watch any of IT last year, but in 40 games he played 23 minutes and shot 41% from three on 4.7 attempts. That seems more like a deep bench guy than Edwards or Waters
He graded out as a negative offensive player despite that... the bigger issue is IT was almost inarguably the worst defender in the league.
If you like RAPTOR, it graded him as a -0.8 Offensive player and a -5.7 defender.

When IT was good he was a good shooter, an exceptional driver and drawer of fouls, low turnovers and poor but not catastrophic defense.
Now he's a good shooter, doesn't draw fouls, can't get to the rim or score in the paint, turns it over more and is an extinction level event to your team's defense.
 

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I didn't watch any of IT last year, but in 40 games he played 23 minutes and shot 41% from three on 4.7 attempts. That seems more like a deep bench guy than Edwards or Waters
Wizards Defense per 100 possessions:

Isaiah OFF floor - 114.9
Isaiah ON floor - 123.1

Offense was a wash regardless of Isaiah or Ish Smith manning the point.
 

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I didn't watch any of IT last year, but in 40 games he played 23 minutes and shot 41% from three on 4.7 attempts. That seems more like a deep bench guy than Edwards or Waters
If he could replace Waters spot, that wouldn't be an issue.

But he can't.
 

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He graded out as a negative offensive player despite that... the bigger issue is IT was almost inarguably the worst defender in the league.
If you like RAPTOR, it graded him as a -0.8 Offensive player and a -5.7 defender.

When IT was good he was a good shooter, an exceptional driver and drawer of fouls, low turnovers and poor but not catastrophic defense.
Now he's a good shooter, doesn't draw fouls, can't get to the rim or score in the paint, turns it over more and is an extinction level event to your team's defense.
I love the phrase "extinction level event". Much as I love IT, he was that in his last playoff series for the Celtics.
 

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If he could replace Waters spot, that wouldn't be an issue.

But he can't.
Well, if you cut Wagner instead of Edwards, IT would theoretically slide into Waters spot.

Again, I am not advocating for IT, just pointing out that if there was a guard or a wing available, you could quite easily cut Wagner to make space and not have to lose Edwards for nothing. We started the year with TT, Theis, TL as our three headed center with Grant as a small ball option and Tacko as a deep option. We traded Theis and took back two bigs. No reason why Kornet can't fill the third center roll if they want to take a flyer on a guard.
 

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Well, if you cut Wagner instead of Edwards, IT would theoretically slide into Waters spot.

Again, I am not advocating for IT, just pointing out that if there was a guard or a wing available, you could quite easily cut Wagner to make space and not have to lose Edwards for nothing. We started the year with TT, Theis, TL as our three headed center with Grant as a small ball option and Tacko as a deep option. We traded Theis and took back two bigs. No reason why Kornet can't fill the third center roll if they want to take a flyer on a guard.
The team doesn't need guards at all though, especially ones under 6 feet. I honestly think Carsen Edwards is better than IT4 at this point and they can't even find time for him.

The team also doesn't need both Wagner and Kornet but I'd rather have a big with 6 fouls to give than IT4. Wagner has also become somewhat of a whipping boy because he's easy to hate (and Kornet is easy to like) but he offers more value to this team than IT4.

He's not even the playmaker he used to be, which theoretically the Celtics could use. He'd be the team mascot.
 

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He'd be the team mascot.
The image of IT4 dressed like Lucky running around the Garden just sucks.

With a league littered with overpaid underachievers, hate how it all went down for IT. Hope he gets a good post-career gig in the sport (get on that Danny)

It's like Rod Tidwell never gets up from that hit in the endzone
 

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The image of IT4 dressed like Lucky running around the Garden just sucks.

With a league littered with overpaid underachievers, hate how it all went down for IT. Hope he gets a good post-career gig in the sport

It's like Rod Tidwell never gets up from that hit in the endzone
maybe If he wanted to play 1 game for the C's and retire right after... but that's not worth sacrificing a player for when the standings are so tight and every game matters.