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jaytftwofive

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There are Philly sport talk hosts or windbags who are putting the idea of trading Simmons and others to the Blazers for Lillard or McCollum, lol, lol, lol. Nuts!!! If you were Portland would you want Simmons?????
 

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Tough tough loss. If Atlanta somehow gets past Milwaukee, I think that Sixers fans will look back on this season like Pats fans look back on 2006. It was right there.

Embiid must be sick. What a performance.
They would have lost to the Bucks regardless of who wins that series. I expect the Bucks to win as most people do.
 

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There are Philly sport talk hosts or windbags who are putting the idea of trading Simmons and others to the Blazers for Lillard or McCollum, lol, lol, lol. Nuts!!! If you were Portland would you want Simmons?????
With Dame? Sure.
 

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They would have lost to the Bucks regardless of who wins that series. I expect the Bucks to win as most people do.
Yeah I think so too. And Philly likely wasn't getting past them either. But imagine if Atlanta puts a nice run together and even takes it to 6 or 7. I'd be kicking myself as a Philly fan for letting this one go.
 

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There are Philly sport talk hosts or windbags who are putting the idea of trading Simmons and others to the Blazers for Lillard or McCollum, lol, lol, lol. Nuts!!! If you were Portland would you want Simmons?????
Not Lillard, but I’d trade McCollum for Simmons in a heartbeat if I were Philly.
 

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McCollum for Simmons improves both teams next year, I think. Portland desperately needs to switch things up before Lillard starts going downhill, and bringing in a defensive star like Simmons would go a long way. Philly desperately needs to get away from Simmons and replacing him with a perimeter scorer with decent efficiency is huge. Both teams take on some huge risks (there may be something fundamentally broken about Simmons despite his obvious talents, and McCollum is about to turn 30 with 0 AS appearances), but the status quo clearly isn't working for either team.
 

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McCollum for Simmons improves both teams next year, I think. Portland desperately needs to switch things up before Lillard starts going downhill, and bringing in a defensive star like Simmons would go a long way. Philly desperately needs to get away from Simmons and replacing him with a perimeter scorer with decent efficiency is huge. Both teams take on some huge risks (there may be something fundamentally broken about Simmons despite his obvious talents, and McCollum is about to turn 30 with 0 AS appearances), but the status quo clearly isn't working for either team.
Portland would be nuts to do that.
 

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A ton. Sixers need talent now with the Embiid clock ticking. Maybe a 3 team deal where Simmons goes to OKC, Beal goes to PHI, and the picks go to WAS to start a rebuild.
Why is Washington rebuilding?

Beal and Westbrook are two legit players. And they like each other. And they were really good once the Wiz got past all their COVID problems.

I dunno. I don't see it.
 

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Simmons for Smart, Tristan and one of Pritchard/Nesmith (assume they would demand a shooter as part of package).

Edit: Lol @ Doc getting fired.
So you don’t think Doc Is the problem?

take a look at the clippers this year (and how they are doing without one of their star players in the playoffsand not cowering when facing adversity.
Also.
View: https://twitter.com/TomerAzarly/status/1406811608785899525

it’s pretty clear doc is incapable of making halftime adjustments. It doomed him with the clippers last year and this year as well.

edit: here is the video quote of PG saying that
View: https://twitter.com/Farbod_E/status/1334246099867951104?
 
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Portland would be nuts to do that.
Portland would be nuts to stand pat, and Simmons is a chance to buy low and hope that a change of scenery actually triggers some offensive growth. There would have to be other moves (I don't think Simmons could play alongside Nurkic), but Simmons undoubtedly has a higher upside than McCollum, and the latter is Portland's best chance to improve via trade.
 

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So you don’t think Doc Is the problem?

take a look at the clippers this year (and how they are doing without one of their star players in the playoffsand not cowering when facing adversity.
Also.
View: https://twitter.com/TomerAzarly/status/1406811608785899525

it’s pretty clear doc is incapable of making halftime adjustments
I like PG at least as much as Doc but have a compulsion to be honest...I think someone ran the numbers and that quote from PG was shown to be bullshit (meaning he wasn’t used that way). If wrong I am happy to be corrected
 

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Doc has a history of building an amazing community and brotherhood and bonding with his team. Those same relationships make it really hard for him to fire up the team and get in their asses when things aren't going well.

That's aside from his stubbornness on the Xs Os and running the same sets. I love Doc but he's been living off 1 title for a long ass time
 

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Portland would be nuts to stand pat, and Simmons is a chance to buy low and hope that a change of scenery actually triggers some offensive growth. There would have to be other moves (I don't think Simmons could play alongside Nurkic), but Simmons undoubtedly has a higher upside than McCollum, and the latter is Portland's best chance to improve via trade.
McCollom is good at the end of games
Simmons is unplayable at the end of games
 

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Why is Washington rebuilding?

Beal and Westbrook are two legit players. And they like each other. And they were really good once the Wiz got past all their COVID problems.

I dunno. I don't see it.
They would only do it if Beal forced the issue. He hasn’t so far but it’s the NBA and that could change in a hurry. He also isn’t signed long-term.
 

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Portland would be nuts to do that.
Portland has no choice but to do something major this offseason. Either they blow it up completely, and tank, or they try to change the pieces around Dame. I would think they will try to rebuild the surrounding group around Dame

So yeah a deal based around Simmons and CJ makes a lot of sense for both teams.
 

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McCollom is good at the end of games
Simmons is unplayable at the end of games
Portland has Dame, so this is less of an issue in Portland than it is in Philly (Embiid is always tired at the end of games and Harris just isn't good enough, so it matters more in Philly). Simmons is far better in pretty much every way other than scoring, plus he's 5 years younger and 7 inches taller for basically the same price.

It's not a homerun for either team, but Portland desperately needs a shakeup to avoid wasting the rest of Dame's prime (it's worth trying to see if they can fix Simmons and unlock his full potential) and Philly desperately needs to break up the process and get a real second scorer for Embiid.
 

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There are Philly sport talk hosts or windbags who are putting the idea of trading Simmons and others to the Blazers for Lillard or McCollum, lol, lol, lol. Nuts!!! If you were Portland would you want Simmons?????
If I were running Portland I’d do McCollum for Simmons. I’d even be willing to throw in picks too.
 

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https://www.nbadraft.net/players/ben-simmons/ These are funny to read in retrospect. Good reminder to take some of these personality-type evaluations with a grain of salt.

"A supreme competitor and a proven winner"

"Attitude/character is by all accounts one of his greatest assets, as he is praised by many for being "a better person than player""

"He is a hardworking kid with the type of weaknesses, namely shooting, that can be improved upon"

"He has the desire and work ethic to become a gym rat, and his shooting should improve considerably over time"




Morey should have gone all in on Simmons plus whatever it took for Harden. I don't know where they go from here, hard to stomach selling this low on the guy, but also hard to bring him back.
 

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A ton. Sixers need talent now with the Embiid clock ticking. Maybe a 3 team deal where Simmons goes to OKC, Beal goes to PHI, and the picks go to WAS to start a rebuild.
This is the scary play, since OKC has the assets to outbid anyone. However, I wonder whether Presti likes Simmons enough to not just build around whomever he drafts with his 1-2 top-8 picks instead.
 

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So you don’t think Doc Is the problem?
Yes, clearly Doc was the guy that convinced the teenaged Simmons that it was a good idea to shoot jumpers with one hand and free throws with the other. And to not completely rebuild his jumper during his first four years in the league.
 

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This team became unwatchable against Atlanta. The Hawks played loose and free while Simmons strangled Philly’s offense. As David Murphy wrote in The Inquirer today, “For the sake of everyone’s sanity, this team had to lose.”
76ers fans have grown accustomed to disappointment over the years but nothing like this. I was relieved when the season ended last night and will root for the Hawks to beat Milwaukee.
 

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Doc has a history of building an amazing community and brotherhood and bonding with his team. Those same relationships make it really hard for him to fire up the team and get in their asses when things aren't going well.

That's aside from his stubbornness on the Xs Os and running the same sets. I love Doc but he's been living off 1 title for a long ass time
What about his Orlando success? He won COY on a team that finished .500 with 5 Undrafted rookie free agents in his rotation and Ron Mercer as their leading scorer. I’m not sure how he gets in the face of Simmons to fire him up when it’s clear their is a mental block in the head of his (supposed) second best player.
 

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https://www.nbadraft.net/players/ben-simmons/ These are funny to read in retrospect. Good reminder to take some of these personality-type evaluations with a grain of salt.

"A supreme competitor and a proven winner"

"Attitude/character is by all accounts one of his greatest assets, as he is praised by many for being "a better person than player""

"He is a hardworking kid with the type of weaknesses, namely shooting, that can be improved upon"

"He has the desire and work ethic to become a gym rat, and his shooting should improve considerably over time"


Morey should have gone all in on Simmons plus whatever it took for Harden. I don't know where they go from here, hard to stomach selling this low on the guy, but also hard to bring him back.
Yeah, especially when anyone who watched him play (briefly) in college had concerns about his competitiveness/passiveness. Seems clear it is his nature, and not a skill that can be improved.

Passing up that dunk last night…the only comp I can think of off the top of my head is Cam Newton staring at that fumble on the ground late in the Super Bowl. (But I have a far far higher opinion of Cam’s competitiveness than I do that of Simmons)
 

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What about his Orlando success? He won COY on a team that finished .500 with 5 Undrafted rookie free agents in his rotation and Ron Mercer as their leading scorer. I’m not sure how he gets in the face of Simmons to fire him up when it’s clear their is a mental block in the head of his (supposed) second best player.
How many years ago was orlando vs the sample size we've have since he left Boston?

And given that orlando roster, and the bum clipp squad 2 years ago that made the 8th seed, it kind of speaks to my point. That approach tends to work with castaways/extreme underdogs, not with title contenders.

In terms of getting in simmons face, you're right, it wouldnt have worked. He should have bit the bullet and stapled his ass to the bench (deal with the consequences later) and just try to get through the series. Doc sometimes is too busy grabbing chairs, luggage, etc while the titanic is sinking instead of hopping on a raft and watching Leo freeze to death in the ocean.

I dont know i love doc but it's beyond obvious at this point. You know what you're getting with him. I was blown away that Philly gave him the job to begin with.
 

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It doesn’t take a basketball genius to figure out that best way to maximize Embiid is to surround him with four outside shooters. Philly would have been wise to move on from Simmons even without his second round meltdown.

How many max salaried guards score 20+ points in playoff games only four of 34 games, and less than 10 points nine times? When transition basket opportunities lessen in the playoffs, successful teams need to run efficient halfcourt offense. That is difficult to do when one defender is playing ten feet off his man, gumming up the works.

Simmons is always going to be problematic for his team in the playoffs, unless 1) he learns how to shoot, even a little,, or 2) is played exclusively as a small ball post center
 

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Yeah, especially when anyone who watched him play (briefly) in college had concerns about his competitiveness/passiveness. Seems clear it is his nature, and not a skill that can be improved.

Passing up that dunk last night…the only comp I can think of off the top of my head is Cam Newton staring at that fumble on the ground late in the Super Bowl. (But I have a far far higher opinion of Cam’s competitiveness than I do that of Simmons)
Simmons is such a weird case. For me, it comes down to the following question:

What does Ben Simmons do better today in 2021 than he did in his first season in 2017? I don't think there's a single aspect of his game that is better today than it was 4 years ago. Maybe defense? And he turns 25 in a month. We're getting close to the "you are what you are" territory with him. I know we're spoiled by seeing the atypical growth of Jaylen and Jayson but, man, he is quite the enigma.
 

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I'm confused. Are you a Simmons fan?
Even with his warts, Simmons is a 24-year-old multi-time All-Star. I’ve watched enough of Portland the past five years to know they need a change and I think Simmons could maximize his talent next to Dame by playing a Draymond-type of role as a defensive anchor and secondary offensive creator. I don’t know if that makes me a “fan” but I think it is a basketball move that could make sense.
 

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I have said it before but is there a better fit then Simmons on the Celtics? (Smart would have to go).

And Of course it would never happen for soo many reasons. But to my novice eyes I cant imagine a better group then Tatum, Brown, 16th Pick (ideally Nesmith as a shooter) and Rwill.
 

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Simmons is such a weird case. For me, it comes down to the following question:

What does Ben Simmons do better today in 2021 than he did in his first season in 2017? I don't think there's a single aspect of his game that is better today than it was 4 years ago. Maybe defense? And he turns 25 in a month. We're getting close to the "you are what you are" territory with him. I know we're spoiled by seeing the atypical growth of Jaylen and Jayson but, man, he is quite the enigma.
Exactly.