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Was that Vanderjagt FG attempt the one that Manning threw him under the bus for? I don't think it was, but watching that sack by McGinest reminds me of what a TERRIBLE, unforgivable job Peyton did there - poor awareness before and/or AFTER the snap.
As tims4wins said, their public blowup started after the Colts were blown out by the Jets in the 02-03 playoffs, when Vanderjagt called out Peyton for being lazy and a bad leader, and Peyton responded by calling him an idiot kicker at the Pro Bowl. And then it was brought up quite a bit after Vanderjagt missed the game-tying field goal against the Steelers in the 05-06 playoffs.

Secret Base does a pretty good breakdown of it here:

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I don’t think he ever actually threw him under the bus for a missed kick. I think he threw him under the bus for some comments he made. “Idiot kicker liquored up” comes to mind.

I think it’s the o line you are thinking of. “protection issues”.
Yeah, Vanderjagt was talking lots of shit about Dungy and Manning after ‘03.
 

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Can I admit here among friends that I have literally never seen even one Tom Brady play in a Tampa uniform and that I hope the Pats destroy the Bucs in four weeks? Yes, you may call me an immature and irrational 66-year-old, and I agree.
 

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Can I admit here among friends that I have literally never seen even one Tom Brady play in a Tampa uniform and that I hope the Pats destroy the Bucs in four weeks? Yes, you may call me an immature and irrational 66-year-old, and I agree.
Not even the Superb Owl?
 

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Can I admit here among friends that I have literally never seen even one Tom Brady play in a Tampa uniform and that I hope the Pats destroy the Bucs in four weeks? Yes, you may call me an immature and irrational 66-year-old, and I agree.
I think most people here are hoping the Pats destroy the Bucs, but you are missing out on some pretty good football.
 

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Can I admit here among friends that I have literally never seen even one Tom Brady play in a Tampa uniform and that I hope the Pats destroy the Bucs in four weeks? Yes, you may call me an immature and irrational 66-year-old, and I agree.
I've hate watched some Buc games when there were no other options. Otherwise I'm with you. And there are many of us.
 

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I've hate watched some Buc games when there were no other options. Otherwise I'm with you. And there are many of us.
This is pretty sad.

It's not like Brady jilted the Pats. They didn't want him. But he did win 6 for the Pats and will go down in history as the greatest athlete in history. And he spent 20 years in New England.
 

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This is pretty sad.

It's not like Brady jilted the Pats. They didn't want him. But he did win 6 for the Pats and will go down in history as the greatest athlete in history. And he spent 20 years in New England.
This. How a NEP fan can not root for Tom Brady is forever baffling to me. I mean...not in games against US, but as a general principle.
 

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This is pretty sad.

It's not like Brady jilted the Pats. They didn't want him. But he did win 6 for the Pats and will go down in history as the greatest athlete in history. And he spent 20 years in New England.
Like others have said, it’s unfathomable to me how any NEP fan could not root for Brady.

But I don’t think it’s fair to say the Pats didn’t want him. I think they didn’t want him at the price he wanted to be paid. And obviously there’s a difference. He earned the right to leave and to get paid. He didn’t break Tampa’s bank so it wasn’t like he was looking for $40 million a year. But even at what he got I think BB realized was too much to allow him to rebuild the roster as it needed to be rebuilt.

But this is very different than saying they didn’t want him.
 

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Like others have said, it’s unfathomable to me how any NEP fan could not root for Brady.

But I don’t think it’s fair to say the Pats didn’t want him. I think they didn’t want him at the price he wanted to be paid. And obviously there’s a difference. He earned the right to leave and to get paid. He didn’t break Tampa’s bank so it wasn’t like he was looking for $40 million a year. But even at what he got I think BB realized was too much to allow him to rebuild the roster as it needed to be rebuilt.

But this is very different than saying they didn’t want him.
Hopefully we will have a BB and/or TB book in 10 years, but I don't think Brady was coming back at any price.
 

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This is pretty sad.

It's not like Brady jilted the Pats. They didn't want him. But he did win 6 for the Pats and will go down in history as the greatest athlete in history. And he spent 20 years in New England.
That’s where I’ve been. The guy won us SIX FUCKING SUPER BOWLS. WTF? People arepissed at SIX?
 

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That’s where I’ve been. The guy won us SIX FUCKING SUPER BOWLS. WTF? People arepissed at SIX?
I have no problem admitting that I'm petty, but you're either with me or against me. Thank you Tom, but I'll root against every Tampa game, just like I root against every Dodgers game with Mookie.
I really don't care if people think it's sad, it's just how I roll.
 

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Hopefully we will have a BB and/or TB book in 10 years, but I don't think Brady was coming back at any price.
I don't know if it was the price per se, but the sense I always got was that Belichick would have been happy for him to come back on a one year deal, Brady wanted longer.

It was always going to send the way it ended - The QB who wanted to play forever vs the coach who would rather cut a player a year too soon than a year too late. The Pats weren't winning the super bowl last year regardless, and if they had Brady they certainly wouldn't have been able to draft Mac (not without giving up other assets), so while things obviously worked out for Brady, it's too soon to say that it hasn't worked out for the Pats. If Mac turns out to be a legitimate QB of the future and gives the Pats above average to pro-bowl level QB play for the next 10-15 years (dare to dream), it's hard to say things didn't work out ok for both sides (assuming Brady eventually fades out within the next 1-4 years).


I have no problem admitting that I'm petty, but you're either with me or against me. Thank you Tom, but I'll root against every Tampa game, just like I root against every Dodgers game with Mookie.
I really don't care if people think it's sad, it's just how I roll.
Man, I get that, but Mookie Betts ain't Tom Brady.
 

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This is pretty sad.

It's not like Brady jilted the Pats. They didn't want him. But he did win 6 for the Pats and will go down in history as the greatest athlete in history. And he spent 20 years in New England.
I think it's sad to root for a guy who chose to leave your team to join a more stacked team because he didn't want to be around for reloading again. Let alone the whole Gronkowski thing. When he retires I'll go back to being a fan, but in the meantime I root for the Patriots, not Tom Brady.

To each his own, but there are plenty of Pats fans who feel the same way.
 

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If the Pats play Tampa Bay I hope the Pats roll 70-0.

But Tampa, off in the NFC? Go do you, Tom. I’ll always have the memories of six fucking Super Bowls to keep me warm.
 

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I take minimal joy in Brady padding his legacy elsewhere. It makes the Patriots look stupid, which is frustrating given that he went to a stacked team.

That aside, he’s incredible at football and that’s too fun not to watch.
 

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I think it's sad to root for a guy who chose to leave your team to join a more stacked team because he didn't want to be around for reloading again. Let alone the whole Gronkowski thing. When he retires I'll go back to being a fan, but in the meantime I root for the Patriots, not Tom Brady.

To each his own, but there are plenty of Pats fans who feel the same way.
This is where I am at. I hold no ill will towards Brady but I am a Pats fan and Brady decided to not try to make it work here so I have no reason to root for him.

From a Brady perspective, I get it. He decided to set the game to easy and find a stacked team. He pulled a Lebron and Lebron has basically ruined the NBA by ushering in an era where stars and agents mean more than the teams. If he does keep playing for say 5 more years it will be interesting to see where he goes when the Buc's roster starts to decline. I would have no faith in Bruce's ability to fix issues as they start to appear.
 

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Pulled a LeBron? Did LeBron win 6 times before going to Miami?

Tom Brady didn’t want to spend his last few years on a team with no weapons after staying loyal to the Pats his whole career - unlike Favre or Peyton or Montana. Brady left money on the table almost every year so we can win. He can do whatever the fuck he wants and I’ll root for him. 20 years guys. 6 SBs and 20 years. We’d sucked before him. Never won. Once. Now we’re the winningest franchise ever. All in our lifetimes.
 

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Pulled a LeBron? Did LeBron win 6 times before going to Miami?

Tom Brady didn’t want to spend his last few years on a team with no weapons after staying loyal to the Pats his whole career - unlike Favre or Peyton or Montana. Brady left money on the table almost every year so we can win. He can do whatever the fuck he wants and I’ll root for him. 20 years guys. 6 SBs and 20 years. We’d sucked before him. Never won. Once. Now we’re the winningest franchise ever. All in our lifetimes.
As I said I hold no ill will towards Brady leaving, but I won't be rooting for him because he left.

And a LeBron in the sense that he is moving to find the best opportunity to win which in the NBA includes bringing his friends with him. LeBron has ushered in the era of players building super teams on their own (see Brooklyn Nets).

In the NFL it is obviously different due to 22 vs 5 starters but we are already seeing Rodgers trying to move on from GB to a team of his choosing. Will top QB's now bolt to better rosters when they have the chance instead of trying to build something where they were drafted?

From a labor standpoint, this is all great to have the power move from the teams/owners to the players, but from an old-fashioned team-building standpoint it is disappointing and turns the top QB's into "kingmakers" which I don't love.

While typing this out I am wondering why I care and I think it feels to me that winning a championship with a mercenary QB takes something away from the team and the town.
 

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Pulled a LeBron? Did LeBron win 6 times before going to Miami?

Tom Brady didn’t want to spend his last few years on a team with no weapons after staying loyal to the Pats his whole career - unlike Favre or Peyton or Montana. Brady left money on the table almost every year so we can win. He can do whatever the fuck he wants and I’ll root for him. 20 years guys. 6 SBs and 20 years. We’d sucked before him. Never won. Once. Now we’re the winningest franchise ever. All in our lifetimes.
Yup. This exactly. How far have we come from the dark years, when it seemed like no Boston team could win anything. The Patriots had their own special brand of futility, in fact one owner wanted to move the team down south.

If Brady after 20 years of faithful service and 6 rings needed to move on, that was OK. I am thankful for every one of those 20 years and will still follow him. Hope he plays til he's fifty, and wins 3 more rings, while Mac wins 3 himself.
 

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As I said I hold no ill will towards Brady leaving, but I won't be rooting for him because he left.

And a LeBron in the sense that he is moving to find the best opportunity to win which in the NBA includes bringing his friends with him. LeBron has ushered in the era of players building super teams on their own (see Brooklyn Nets).

In the NFL it is obviously different due to 22 vs 5 starters but we are already seeing Rodgers trying to move on from GB to a team of his choosing. Will top QB's now bolt to better rosters when they have the chance instead of trying to build something where they were drafted?

From a labor standpoint, this is all great to have the power move from the teams/owners to the players, but from an old-fashioned team-building standpoint it is disappointing and turns the top QB's into "kingmakers" which I don't love.

While typing this out I am wondering why I care and I think it feels to me that winning a championship with a mercenary QB takes something away from the team and the town.
You said he pulled a Lebron. That is just wrong. It's not close to what happened with Tom Brady. Lebron was desperately desired by every team in the league. The Pats were not desperate to keep Tom Brady. I know this because they let him walk. The NBA is nothing like the NFL, except for the fact that both are sports leagues. And the NBA has guaranteed contracts. In the NFL, it's basically, "FUCK YOU, perform or else you're cut and you lose your income."

So if QBs want to maximize the tiny window they have, they should. Your view seems old fashioned.
 

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I think it's sad to root for a guy who chose to leave your team to join a more stacked team because he didn't want to be around for reloading again. Let alone the whole Gronkowski thing. When he retires I'll go back to being a fan, but in the meantime I root for the Patriots, not Tom Brady.

To each his own, but there are plenty of Pats fans who feel the same way.
If the Patriots wanted Tom to be with the team, he'd be with the team. All they had to do was believe he'd still be a top 5 QB in his 40's and give him a contract that reflected that in both money and guarantees. They didn't want to do it, which is understandable, and Tom wasn't willing to take less/be on one year deals for a rebuilding franchise, which is understandable. This to me is as irrational as the guys who became incensed at Belichick for "letting" Brady leave.
 

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Are people pining for a deteriorated version of the 2019 Patriots? Because that’s what you’d have with TB12 on a market-rate deal.

For some fans, it’s all about the laundry, so I understand being indifferent to what Brady is doing on another team. I don’t understand harboring ill will toward him for leaving.
 

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If the Patriots wanted Tom to be with the team, he'd be with the team. All they had to do was believe he'd still be a top 5 QB in his 40's and give him a contract that reflected that in both money and guarantees. They didn't want to do it, which is understandable, and Tom wasn't willing to take less/be on one year deals for a rebuilding franchise, which is understandable. This to me is as irrational as the guys who became incensed at Belichick for "letting" Brady leave.
This about sums it up for me.

In other news

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If the Patriots wanted Tom to be with the team, he'd be with the team. All they had to do was believe he'd still be a top 5 QB in his 40's and give him a contract that reflected that in both money and guarantees. They didn't want to do it, which is understandable, and Tom wasn't willing to take less/be on one year deals for a rebuilding franchise, which is understandable. This to me is as irrational as the guys who became incensed at Belichick for "letting" Brady leave.
Wait a minute, sports fans aren't deciding who to root for based on logic? Isn't there a committee somewhere that could investigate that and hold them accountable?
 

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Wait a minute, sports fans aren't deciding who to root for based on logic? Isn't there a committee somewhere that could investigate that and hold them accountable?
I meant refusing to watch Tom Brady play because he left the Patriots when the Patriots didn't even want to keep him is irrational even in the context of sports fandom.
 

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Where: Jets pre game show
Speaker: Bart Scott
Topic: CJ Mosley
Quote: “Don’t forget where he came from…he’s been trained by some of the best killers in the league…he played with Ray Lewis”

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Michael Irvin proudly claiming that the Niners will beat the Lions and BOOM, he calls it the lock of the year.

Yes, Mike, definitely a bold take.
 

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Michael Irvin proudly claiming that the Niners will beat the Lions and BOOM, he calls it the lock of the year.

Yes, Mike, definitely a bold take.
Someone chimed in on twitter and said Irvin's locks all season would be predicting losses for the Lions and Jaguars
 

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Now, sing part of the anthem here. Now sing it there. Now, we need an artsy shot, sing that verse again from over in the corner.

All that was missing was a shot of William Hurt dabbing his teary eyes
 

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I love it when "experts" make ridiculous predictions and think they're so much smarter than the rest of us. Someone on the CBS site the other day went out on a limb and predicted that Mahomes would be an MVP contender.