Celtics acquire Bol Bol, PJ Dozier for Juancho Hernangomez

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Denver, Boston and San Antonio are making a three-way trade that includes Juancho Hernangomez to Spurs, Bryn Forbes to Denver, Bol Bol and PJ Dozier to Celtics, sources tell ESPN.


Former Celtic Dozier is out for the year with a torn ACL, Bol Bol is out 8-12 weeks due to foot surgery.
 

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Does that get them out of the tax? Looking at Spotrac’s numbers, it doesn’t seem to be enough, but they’ve been off/not updated before.
 

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If one person even tries to justify Bol Bol having “upside” I’m gonna climb right through the internet and commit a flagrant foul.
Only 22 and has 7’8” wingspan AND has great pedigree. This might be the best move PBS ever makes.
 

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Upon reading the contents of the post, the exclamation in the title pissed me off, lol.
 

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This seems like the kind of deal that will require an asterisk when PBS sets the record for most years with an in-season trade in a row.
 

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Saved $4M without having to staple a pick to Juancho, now should be much easier to get under the tax if it comes to that.

Dozier isn't ever playing for the Celtics, he tore an ACL in November and he's a FA after this year.

Bol hypothetically has a tender, but he's barely played in 3 NBA season and he had a rep in DEN as a guy not willing to do what he was told he needed to do to get on the court, so I would guess we seem him sparingly if ever.
 

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Saved $4M without having to staple a pick to Juancho, now should be much easier to get under the tax if it comes to that.

Dozier isn't ever playing for the Celtics, he tore an ACL in November and he's a FA after this year.

Bol hypothetically has a tender, but he's barely played in 3 NBA season and he had a rep in DEN as a guy not willing to do what he was told he needed to do to get on the court, so I would guess we seem him sparingly if ever.
Saving $4M and we don't have to watch Juancho play? Brad's a wizard.
 

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The Celtics get some salary relief and under help towards being under the luxury tax with some birds rights.

The Nuggets get a really solid 3-pointer shooter (41% career and 3rd in the NBA over the last 4 seasons for players with over 1000 attempts per ESPN).

I’m struggling understanding why the Spurs are doing this? Hernangomez and what will likely be a mid-late 2nd rounder from the Nuggets?
 
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Yeah I don't get this for the Spurs. Forbes is a legitimately good shooter. If that was his price he would have been an interesting pick up for the C's.
 

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The Celtics get some salary relief and under help towards being under the luxury tax with some birds rights.

The Nuggets get a really solid 3-pointer shooter (41% career and 3rd in the NBA over the last 4 seasons for players with over 1000 attempts per ESPN).

I’m struggling understanding why the Spurs are doing this? Hernangomez and what will likely be a mid-late 2nd rounder from the Nuggets?
Forbes had fallen out of the rotation, got DNP-CDs the last few games they have a lot of guards. Think it was doing him a solid for agent purposes and getting depth at the 4 plus a 2nd (who knows where it falls since it's 2028). I wouldn't be shocked if they like Juancho some, and think he'll be able to shoot.
 

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Celtics got themselves a brandy new TPE.

As a small bonus, Boston can use part of the trade exception from the Kemba Walker deal to take back the salaries of Bol and Dozier, allowing the Celtics to create a trade exception for the value of Hernangomez's salary that will outlast their current three exceptions -- all of which expire this summer.

Purely a financial move
 

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Bol Bol is out 2-3 months after foot surgery.

So yeah this is just money and holding some maybe interesting bird rights?
Don’t! No….do not even use the phrase “interesting bird rights” when in relation to Bol. Please, no!
 

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The Celtics get most of the way under the tax lin e - not all the way there, but easy to get there if they want to. I think they are just under $1 million above the tax line right now and that may go up to $2.5M above if Brown makes the All-Star team. Adding the Juancho trade exception might help later.

On Locked On Celtics, Karalis pointed out one way the Celtocs could get under.

OKC is currently about $20 million under the salary floor. If they stay that way, then that $20 million gets apportioned out to all of the OKC players on the roster.

But the Celtics could send them Dozier ($1.9 million contract) and Bol ($2.1 million) plus cash, OKC could waive both players immediately, and the contracts would go on their cap, reducing the amount of money they would actually need to pay out from $20 to $16 million.
 

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The Celtics get most of the way under the tax lin e - not all the way there, but easy to get there if they want to. I think they are just under $1 million above the tax line right now and that may go up to $2.5M above if Brown makes the All-Star team. Adding the Juancho trade exception might help later.

On Locked On Celtics, Karalis pointed out one way the Celtocs could get under.

OKC is currently about $20 million under the salary floor. If they stay that way, then that $20 million gets apportioned out to all of the OKC players on the roster.

But the Celtics could send them Dozier ($1.9 million contract) and Bol ($2.1 million) plus cash, OKC could waive both players immediately, and the contracts would go on their cap, reducing the amount of money they would actually need to pay out from $20 to $16 million.
Yup. Good point on the floor. Sixers had to pay this out a few years back, IIRC.
 

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The Celtics get most of the way under the tax lin e - not all the way there, but easy to get there if they want to. I think they are just under $1 million above the tax line right now and that may go up to $2.5M above if Brown makes the All-Star team. Adding the Juancho trade exception might help later.

On Locked On Celtics, Karalis pointed out one way the Celtocs could get under.

OKC is currently about $20 million under the salary floor. If they stay that way, then that $20 million gets apportioned out to all of the OKC players on the roster.

But the Celtics could send them Dozier ($1.9 million contract) and Bol ($2.1 million) plus cash, OKC could waive both players immediately, and the contracts would go on their cap, reducing the amount of money they would actually need to pay out from $20 to $16 million.
Woj: "Boston has no immediate plans to waive Dozier or Bol — certainly not before the trade deadline, per sources."

I thought Dozier played pretty well for DEN all things considering - see this article when he went down in November - so it will be interesting to see if POBOBS tries to re-sign him to a one-year make good deal to add depth (or allow him to trade RL or AN).

And I guess they are going to try to see what they can get out of Bol Bol. Maybe they can bring Tacko back as a mentor.

View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1483672924691197953
 

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Dozier is legit good. I liked him a lot for Denver, but he’s a free agent and who knows coming for a torn ACL. Denver wouldn’t have traded him if he’s healthy
 

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If I'm understanding this right, Boston got rid of Hernangomez without giving up any assets. Other than the fact that you lose his potential salary ballast, this seems like a no brainer.

What I'm struggling to understand is why anyone took Hernangomez without receiving any assets.
 

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If I'm understanding this right, Boston got rid of Hernangomez without giving up any assets. Other than the fact that you lose his potential salary ballast, this seems like a no brainer.

What I'm struggling to understand is why anyone took Hernangomez without receiving any assets.
Spurs are a little thin in the front court, playing (I am reading) Keldon Johnson, Doug McDermott, Keita Bates-Diop, and Thaddeus Young the most at the 3 and 4. They do have Zach Collins coming back. Maybe trading for Hernangomez will allow SAS to trade Young, who has expressed a desire to be moved IIRC. At the very least, I will guess that Hernangomez will at least begin by getting some minutes from SAS. I mean he's only 26 and was the 15th pick in his draft.
 

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Woj: "Boston has no immediate plans to waive Dozier or Bol — certainly not before the trade deadline, per sources."
This is a case where I might parse Woj's words. "Boston has no immediate plans to waive Dozier or Bol - certainly not before the trade deadline."

No plans to waive them before the deadline. That's less of a commitment than it sounds like. "No plans to lock in a $4 million cap hit before the deadline" is kind of a no brainer. I would still be thinking hotel rather than leased apartment if I was Dozier or Bol.
 

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Neither Dozier or Bol will likely ever report to Boston. At some point before the trade deadline, it is quite possible that they will be shipped (with their full salary) to OKC. OKC is approx. $20mm below the salary floor and Boston is still approx $3mm above the tax threshold. OKC would have to pay the below-floor amount to the players; Boston gets a projected $11.5mm distribution (per Bobby Marks) if they can get below the tax threshold.

Win-win (for the owners, at least).
 

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Don’t! No….do not even use the phrase “interesting bird rights” when in relation to Bol. Please, no!
I actually meant Dozier, who is an NBA player I think. Though as with all Celtics guards... he can't shoot at all. He'd be interesting in an end of the roster kind of way if we move on from Smart.
 

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Neither Dozier or Bol will likely ever report to Boston. At some point before the trade deadline, it is quite possible that they will be shipped (with their full salary) to OKC. OKC is approx. $20mm below the salary floor and Boston is still approx $3mm above the tax threshold. OKC would have to pay the below-floor amount to the players; Boston gets a projected $11.5mm distribution (per Bobby Marks) if they can get below the tax threshold.

Win-win (for the owners, at least).
People cite OKC being below threshhold and that certainly makes them able to take the salary---but they are I would guess oretty strongly they are totally indifferent to whether they pay it to their own existing players or new players. So you have to incent them to take on money. People sometimes think abotu the floor as "they have to get to it or else" and that is not how it is structured in NBA.
 

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People cite OKC being below threshhold and that certainly makes them able to take the salary---but they are I would guess oretty strongly they are totally indifferent to whether they pay it to their own existing players or new players. So you have to incent them to take on money. People sometimes think abotu the floor as "they have to get to it or else" and that is not how it is structured in NBA.
OKC doesn't pay it at all under this scenario. BOS staples the money to the players, OKC then waives the players but the salaries count against the salary floor. If no trade, OKC pays $20mm to current players. If trade, OKC pays $16mm to current players. OKC never comes out of pocket for Bol/Dozier. OKC is well incentivized to reach the salary floor in this manner.
 

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People cite OKC being below threshhold and that certainly makes them able to take the salary---but they are I would guess oretty strongly they are totally indifferent to whether they pay it to their own existing players or new players. So you have to incent them to take on money. People sometimes think abotu the floor as "they have to get to it or else" and that is not how it is structured in NBA.
The appeal of this, from their perspective, would be that they pay less, not pay it to different people.

Door number 1: At the end of the season, OKC sends an additional $20 million to its players. Cost: $20 million.

Door number 2: OKC picks up 2 players who could $4 million against the cap plus $4 million in cash. Cost to them:&0. Now they are only $16 million below the floor, so they only need to distribute $16 million, not $20 million. Savings to owners: $4 million.
 

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People cite OKC being below threshhold and that certainly makes them able to take the salary---but they are I would guess oretty strongly they are totally indifferent to whether they pay it to their own existing players or new players. So you have to incent them to take on money.
I think this is a good point.
 

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The appeal of this, from their perspective, would be that they pay less, not pay it to different people.

Door number 1: At the end of the season, OKC sends an additional $20 million to its players. Cost: $20 million.

Door number 2: OKC picks up 2 players who could $4 million against the cap plus $4 million in cash. Cost to them:&0. Now they are only $16 million below the floor, so they only need to distribute $16 million, not $20 million. Savings to owners: $4 million.
Got it---though, I have not tracked where OKC is up against the annual limit of receiving cash. It is something in the $5-$6 mil range, so above might be possible if they have $4 mil remaining.
 

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If I'm understanding this right, Boston got rid of Hernangomez without giving up any assets. Other than the fact that you lose his potential salary ballast, this seems like a no brainer.

What I'm struggling to understand is why anyone took Hernangomez without receiving any assets.
The Celtics also received a $7.9MM TPE that expires a year from now.

One of these years, when they are contenders, they can use these TPEs to add talent without cap concerns
 

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Man I would be pissed if I lost "250K" (especially if I was the caliber of players on the Thunder) because 2 guys who will never play got moved from one ledger to another.
(4 Mil/15)

Not saying it wont happen or that the Owners shouldnt do it.....but I would be pissed.
I assume that OKC may also not be done taking on salary....so it could cost those guys 500K+