Wish List For the Rest of 2022

Sandy Leon Trotsky · Sep 10, 2022

For the Sox—-
Whitlock gets into the rotation
Seabold starts the rest of the season
Casas goes on a tear

Otherwise—-
Tampa wins the division
NY swept in first round

I’m okay with any of Seattle, Tampa, Toronto or Cleveland or Minnesota winning the pennant. Just no MFY’s, Dodgers, Astros or Cardinals.

Rasputin · Sep 10, 2022

Archer1979 said:
Despite my usual unbridled optimism,

Piker.

What's your wish list?

I want to see as much of Bello, Casas, and Wong as possible.

I want the Rays to overtake the Yankees

I want Derek Jeter to suffer a succession of groin pulls that's just fucking agony

I want the World Series to be won by someone other than the Dodgers, Yankees, or Mets.

I want the playoffs to be fun.

I want Andor to be great.

nighthob · Sep 10, 2022

Does wishing for Ort to be swallowed up by a rip in the time-space continuum count?

BigJay · Sep 10, 2022

Plawecki, Braiser and Familia DFA. Hernandez (C), German, & Seabold up.

Yankees not winning a playoff series

About it.

scottyno · Sep 10, 2022

No major injuries for the Sox that will last into 2023

biollante · Sep 10, 2022

Red Sox lower their ticket and beer prices.

Diamond Don Aase · Sep 10, 2022

For the Red Sox:

Ryan Brasier and Jeurys Familia lead a manned mission to the center of the solar system.
Tanner Houck returns from sabbatical to successfully defend his thesis, the culmination of two-and-a-half years of research.
Kevin Plawecki’s name is properly spelled after the Harfoots leave him behind.

For the rest of MLB:

Jackie Bradley makes the Blue Jays’ playoff roster.
Jay Groome makes his major-league debut.
Tony LaRussa absconds with the entire Russian Ballet.
Martin Perez makes 20 quality starts.
Hunter Renfroe hits 30 home runs.
Kyle Schwarber hits 40 home runs.

Lose Remerswaal · Sep 10, 2022

22 more 17-4 wins

AB in DC · Sep 11, 2022

I don't know why, but I have this irrational desire to see them win the season series against the Orioles. They just need to win three out of four at home in a couple weeks

E5 Yaz · Sep 11, 2022

Casas finds a hitting groove

Papo The Snow Tiger · Sep 11, 2022

For the Red Sox - finish at least at 0.500.
For the entirety of humanity - Yankee Elimination Day

Al Zarilla · Sep 12, 2022

Yankees to resume their flameout, which is paused for a bit here. Dodgers all the way solely because of Mookie. He and Tom Brady are the two guys I will never lose the love for.

BaseballJones · Sep 12, 2022

I'm not into the Dodgers anymore. They're basically the Yankees.

Payroll (according to Spotrac)....

2022: $266m - #1 in MLB ($3m more than #2 NYM)
2021: $266m - #1 in MLB ($61m more than #2 NYY)

They're really well run, they spend a crap ton of money, and they have the guy who was formerly my favorite player (Mookie). So I'm not into them anymore.

reggiecleveland · Sep 12, 2022

BaseballJones said:
I'm not into the Dodgers anymore. They're basically the Yankees.

Payroll (according to Spotrac)....

2022: $266m - #1 in MLB ($3m more than #2 NYM)
2021: $266m - #1 in MLB ($61m more than #2 NYY)

They're really well run, they spend a crap ton of money, and they have the guy who was formerly my favorite player (Mookie). So I'm not into them anymore.

word
Plus Ricky Monday can get bent.

Orel Miraculous · Sep 12, 2022

BaseballJones said:
I'm not into the Dodgers anymore. They're basically the Yankees.

Payroll (according to Spotrac)....

2022: $266m - #1 in MLB ($3m more than #2 NYM)
2021: $266m - #1 in MLB ($61m more than #2 NYY)

They're really well run, they spend a crap ton of money, and they have the guy who was formerly my favorite player (Mookie). So I'm not into them anymore.

Why is a team spending money to field good players a bad thing? How did fans get so conditioned into rooting for the owners to profit as much as possible?

John Marzano Olympic Hero · Sep 12, 2022

Orel Miraculous said:
Why is a team spending money to field good players a bad thing? How did fans get so conditioned into rooting for the owners to profit as much as possible?

That’s what I want to know too.

BaseballJones · Sep 12, 2022

Orel Miraculous said:
Why is a team spending money to field good players a bad thing? How did fans get so conditioned into rooting for the owners to profit as much as possible?

It's not a bad thing. But they've become too much like the Yankees for my liking. Your mileage may vary, and you certainly don't have to share the same opinion as me.

Mueller's Twin Grannies · Sep 12, 2022

BaseballJones said:
It's not a bad thing. But they've become too much like the Yankees for my liking. Your mileage may vary, and you certainly don't have to share the same opinion as me.

I don't know if that's a fair comparison: the Yankees won 5 titles in 13 years, including three in a row. If you take out the 2009 title, they won four of of 5 seasons in a row. The Dodgers won a title in a short season and nothing before or since in the era where they try to build super teams. Plus all the men's LA teams are spending money like crazy (okay, maybe not the Kings), so they're not alone

Heating up in the bullpen · Sep 12, 2022

I'd like to see the Sox get a little bit of redemption in their remaining games against AL East opponents. Take 4 of 6 from the Yankees, 3 of 4 from the Os, and 2 of 3 each from the Jays and Rays.
That and walk Judge every time he comes up. I don't really care if he gets to 60, 61 or 62, but I'd rather the Sox didn't help him get there.

soxhop411 · Sep 12, 2022

Mueller's Twin Grannies said:
I don't know if that's a fair comparison: the Yankees won 5 titles in 13 years, including three in a row. If you take out the 2009 title, they won four of of 5 seasons in a row. The Dodgers won a title in a short season and nothing before or since in the era where they try to build super teams. Plus all the men's LA teams are spending money like crazy (okay, maybe not the Kings), so they're not alone

Also. We have to remember that those yankee years were years in which the CBA pretty much allowed teams to spend as much as they wanted both in FA (international and domestic) and the draft. There was very little punishment for going over any threshold.

and the LA examples are kind of making his point. Trying to create superteams does not guarantee anything. FA winners and Trade deadline winners sre a prime example. (Padres say hello)

Since the “caps” have been put into place there had not been FA like the 2009 yankees.

Sandy Leon Trotsky · Sep 13, 2022

It’s not that I’m rooting for the owners to make more profit over the players payroll, it’s that I like to see a team of homegrown or castaways rally together- why I still love the A’s and even the Rays.
Why would anyone just love a team that went out and spent the most money to win?
I just wish that both “sides” ownership and labor could accept a bit less money and reduce their ticket prices and concessions. Biggest reason that baseball is slowly receding? $500 for a family of 4 to go to a game.

Rovin Romine · Sep 13, 2022

Orel Miraculous said:
Why is a team spending money to field good players a bad thing? How did fans get so conditioned into rooting for the owners to profit as much as possible?

Because most of us grew up rooting for the Red Sox - and putting up with the mouthbreathers rooting for the Yankees was like watching someone root for IBM or Coke. They Yanks just muscled in and bought everything on the market and said they had mystique and aura and the calm eyes of Derek Jeter doing it "the Yankee Way" to thank for it all. And people lapped it up and cheered it on. You might not be old enough to remember the sycophantic sports writers of the golden age. Shank never saw a Yank he didn't secretly love, or a Sox signing he didn't secretly hate.

So, the thought was that it was cool when other teams, like our own, were competitive by being smarter (not richer) than the Yanks. I mean, it didn't hurt when we also spent a ton of money to near-equally outpace teams like the Royals and Twins (whom we like to pretend we're somehow on even footing with. . .and at the same time moan that they're not competitively playing the Yankees.)

But now, in accordance with the general drift of America, it's now seen as morally-praiseworthy if you're rich and simply buy your way to success. And coming from Red Sox fans, with our history of 21st Century success, the constant whine that we're not always in it every year, or don't sign every FA or trade target dangled over the market is a bit much. Um. No. That's not fair. It's fucking obnoxious.

Even if you want to cast that as "fans should be entitled to whine that other people should spend money in short-sighted ways to please them." It's the same mouth-breathing bullshit. Except now it does not wear pinstripes.

Shaky Walton · Sep 13, 2022

Harm the New York Yankees as much as possible.

Lose Remerswaal · Sep 13, 2022

Sandy Leon Trotsky said:
It’s not that I’m rooting for the owners to make more profit over the players payroll, it’s that I like to see a team of homegrown or castaways rally together- why I still love the A’s and even the Rays.
Why would anyone just love a team that went out and spent the most money to win?
I just wish that both “sides” ownership and labor could accept a bit less money and reduce their ticket prices and concessions. Biggest reason that baseball is slowly receding? $500 for a family of 4 to go to a game.

are there any businesses doing this? You can go to Fenway with a family of 4 for half that price.

Sandy Leon Trotsky · Sep 13, 2022

Lose Remerswaal said:
are there any businesses doing this? You can go to Fenway with a family of 4 for half that price.

I haven't been to Fenway in years but just going off of what my Old Man complained about- took his wife and their two nieces to a game and after parking, food and tickets he said it was $500 and won't be going back. Also two friends that went (granted they drank more than a healthy amount) in June and they each dropped over $200 apiece. It becomes hard to connect with a team that essentially cuts you out of participating.

joe dokes · Sep 13, 2022

Sandy Leon Trotsky said:
I haven't been to Fenway in years but just going off of what my Old Man complained about- took his wife and their two nieces to a game and after parking, food and tickets he said it was $500 and won't be going back. Also two friends that went (granted they drank more than a healthy amount) in June and they each dropped over $200 apiece. It becomes hard to connect with a team that essentially cuts you out of participating.

For me, "dont go to the game hungry" has been up there with "dont go to the supermarket stoned" for quite a while. And I've never not been able to have food and a few beers before the game at somewhere not-Fenway. I've just never really thought of Fenway as the place to eat and have more than 1 more shitty or stupidly expensive beer. Others' MMV.
$10 to park at 100 Clarendon with a game ticket. (though that may be too far a walk for some.....)

But to bring this back to the thread, a "we're really sorry we suck this year, so here's some really cheap concessions to try and make amends in September" would be a nice touch. (Not holding my breath....)

John Marzano Olympic Hero · Sep 13, 2022

Rovin Romine said:
Because most of us grew up rooting for the Red Sox - and putting up with the mouthbreathers rooting for the Yankees was like watching someone root for IBM or Coke. They Yanks just muscled in and bought everything on the market and said they had mystique and aura and the calm eyes of Derek Jeter doing it "the Yankee Way" to thank for it all. And people lapped it up and cheered it on. You might not be old enough to remember the sycophantic sports writers of the golden age. Shank never saw a Yank he didn't secretly love, or a Sox signing he didn't secretly hate.

So, the thought was that it was cool when other teams, like our own, were competitive by being smarter (not richer) than the Yanks. I mean, it didn't hurt when we also spent a ton of money to near-equally outpace teams like the Royals and Twins (whom we like to pretend we're somehow on even footing with. . .and at the same time moan that they're not competitively playing the Yankees.)

But now, in accordance with the general drift of America, it's now seen as morally-praiseworthy if you're rich and simply buy your way to success. And coming from Red Sox fans, with our history of 21st Century success, the constant whine that we're not always in it every year, or don't sign every FA or trade target dangled over the market is a bit much. Um. No. That's not fair. It's fucking obnoxious.

Even if you want to cast that as "fans should be entitled to whine that other people should spend money in short-sighted ways to please them." It's the same mouth-breathing bullshit. Except now it does not wear pinstripes.

Wait a second, hasn't the goal of this entire rebuild that the Red Sox have a pipeline of young talent and then augment the team with free agents? You know like the Dodgers and Yankees? Teams that have good front offices and the money to make their teams better.

And as far as the bolded goes, give me a break. There are no style points in baseball. The 2004 team, made up of primo free agents and trade acquisitions, is just as beloved as the 2018 team that was made up by a majority of home-grown players. Why is it obnoxious to want your team to spend money for a decent product? What are we achieving today by watching the Red Sox bumblefuck their way out of a season? A baseball team is not your 401k, having some sort of long-term plan is silly. Yes, I want the Red Sox to be good every year, I don't care how they do it; but two last place finishing seasons suck. You're not the President of Baseball Operations, you're not the Owner; why do you care so much that the Red Sox don't spend money?

I simply don't understand this logic coming from a fan.

Shaky Walton · Sep 13, 2022

John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
Wait a second, hasn't the goal of this entire rebuild that the Red Sox have a pipeline of young talent and then augment the team with free agents? You know like the Dodgers and Yankees? Teams that have good front offices and the money to make their teams better.

And as far as the bolded goes, give me a break. There are no style points in baseball. The 2004 team, made up of primo free agents and trade acquisitions, is just as beloved as the 2018 team that was made up by a majority of home-grown players. Why is it obnoxious to want your team to spend money for a decent product? What are we achieving today by watching the Red Sox bumblefuck their way out of a season? A baseball team is not your 401k, having some sort of long-term plan is silly. Yes, I want the Red Sox to be good every year, I don't care how they do it; but two last place finishing seasons suck. You're not the President of Baseball Operations, you're not the Owner; why do you care so much that the Red Sox don't spend money?

I simply don't understand this logic coming from a fan.

I agree with you. I want the Red Sox to win games and win championships. As many of each as possible, please. And I don't care one bit about how they do it.

But I do get the PREFERENCE that some fans have that they do it in a way that does not feel like it's store bought, like some of the Yankees teams felt like. Even though much of the MFY core was home grown, they had a "buy another shiny piece" feel during their hideous run of titles in the latter part of the last century, and I get not wanting to resemble that.

Again, I am not of that view. I like titles, however they may come. (That sounds dirty). But I can understand RR's "logic."

Max Power · Sep 13, 2022

Lose Remerswaal said:
are there any businesses doing this? You can go to Fenway with a family of 4 for half that price.

Sort of. Decent weekend tickets are $60 to $70, so that's $250 right there. Transportation costs whatever it costs wherever you're coming from, but could add another $20 to $50. The real crime this year was that they increased the base prices on all the concessions, plus they add tax to the posted number. Hot dogs are $7 after being $5.75 last year. A kid gets one of those, an ice cream or cotton candy, and some kind of drink, you're at $20 each.

It costs so much to go to a game, people start thinking of it as a once in a while event. When you have to sell 81 games as a one in a while event, you end up relying on opposing fans vacationing to fill out the park. This year it feels like at least a quarter of the park is rooting against the Red Sox every night.

joe dokes · Sep 13, 2022

Max Power said:
It costs so much to go to a game, people start thinking of it as a once in a while event. When you have to sell 81 games as a one in a while event, you end up relying on opposing fans vacationing to fill out the park. This year it feels like at least a quarter of the park is rooting against the Red Sox every night.

*That* is a good point. Whatever gymnastics one can do to make a single game not a financial bath, it does become a one-off "event."

Rovin Romine · Sep 13, 2022

Shaky Walton said:
But I can understand RR's "logic."

The quotes are justified - it's not really logic.

But as a more general question - what do we have if there were 30 teams with equal resources?
Does spending itself become a virtue in that environment? (Issues of fair player compensation and collusion entirely aside.)

And as a second more general question, do we really want a game of baseball where there are a handful of haves, and a majority of have-nots?
So we can vicariously pretend it's an accomplishment starting with a man on third? (As the metaphor from the sport so aptly serves.)

Shaky Walton · Sep 13, 2022

Max Power said:
Sort of. Decent weekend tickets are $60 to $70, so that's $250 right there. Transportation costs whatever it costs wherever you're coming from, but could add another $20 to $50. The real crime this year was that they increased the base prices on all the concessions, plus they add tax to the posted number. Hot dogs are $7 after being $5.75 last year. A kid gets one of those, an ice cream or cotton candy, and some kind of drink, you're at $20 each.

It costs so much to go to a game, people start thinking of it as a once in a while event. When you have to sell 81 games as a one in a while event, you end up relying on opposing fans vacationing to fill out the park. This year it feels like at least a quarter of the park is rooting against the Red Sox every night.

I get that opposing fans travel to Fenway. But that fans travel to destination parks is, I think, less a function of pricing out locals than just something that has become part of the landscape.

When Joe Season Ticket Holder puts tickets on the secondary market, fans from NE and elsewhere can buy them, and do. And fans from everywhere buy them directly. The tickets are no cheaper for fans flying or driving in, and those fans are already spending on travel and lodging.

Max Power · Sep 13, 2022

Shaky Walton said:
I get that opposing fans travel to Fenway. But that fans travel to destination parks is, I think, less a function of pricing out locals than just something that has become part of the landscape.

How did it become part of the landscape? I've been a weekend season ticket holder for over 20 years and prices have tripled in that time. Most people used to go to just about every game and I'd see a lot of familiar faces, but now I don't know anyone around me.

For me, I need to really think about whether I'd rather take one of the two kids to the game or just sell the tickets and get back $150, so I go to about half. Others might just not be as into the team anymore. Maybe the ease with which you can sell tickets means more of them get sold.

Lose Remerswaal · Sep 13, 2022

Sandy Leon Trotsky said:
I haven't been to Fenway in years but just going off of what my Old Man complained about- took his wife and their two nieces to a game and after parking, food and tickets he said it was $500 and won't be going back. Also two friends that went (granted they drank more than a healthy amount) in June and they each dropped over $200 apiece. It becomes hard to connect with a team that essentially cuts you out of participating.

Trying really hard not to say "cool story, bro" since it's not your experience, but that's a really Small Sample Size. As mentioned by others, $65-$70 seats (and cheaper) are available for every game. And the T is $5/person from anywhere on the subway system (when operating, of course). Add $20 for parking if you must at a remote location (although $5 parking is easy, too) and we're up to $320 for a family of 4. Souvenirs aren't required. Food can be brought with you or eaten at 100 better places outside the park. And if you are willing to sit in the bleachers those tickets now cost $35/each so the total is under $200 for 4 people.

Shaky Walton · Sep 13, 2022

Max Power said:
How did it become part of the landscape? I've been a weekend season ticket holder for over 20 years and prices have tripled in that time. Most people used to go to just about every game and I'd see a lot of familiar faces, but now I don't know anyone around me.

For me, I need to really think about whether I'd rather take one of the two kids to the game or just sell the tickets and get back $150, so I go to about half. Others might just not be as into the team anymore. Maybe the ease with which you can sell tickets means more of them get sold.

Let me be more precise. That tickets are really expensive causes season ticket holders to dump more on the secondary market, which makes tickets accessible to visiting fans and local fans.

But I think the existence of an easily used secondary market, the ability to buy tickets from the team's website and the fact that people are increasingly traveling to destination parks for sports (and concerts for that matter) has as much to do with lots of visiting fans being there as the increased costs.

Orel Miraculous · Sep 13, 2022

Rovin Romine said:
Because most of us grew up rooting for the Red Sox - and putting up with the mouthbreathers rooting for the Yankees was like watching someone root for IBM or Coke. They Yanks just muscled in and bought everything on the market and said they had mystique and aura and the calm eyes of Derek Jeter doing it "the Yankee Way" to thank for it all. And people lapped it up and cheered it on. You might not be old enough to remember the sycophantic sports writers of the golden age. Shank never saw a Yank he didn't secretly love, or a Sox signing he didn't secretly hate.

So, the thought was that it was cool when other teams, like our own, were competitive by being smarter (not richer) than the Yanks. I mean, it didn't hurt when we also spent a ton of money to near-equally outpace teams like the Royals and Twins (whom we like to pretend we're somehow on even footing with. . .and at the same time moan that they're not competitively playing the Yankees.)

When you have money, using it to acquire talent is the smart way to build your team.

Rovin Romine said:
But now, in accordance with the general drift of America, it's now seen as morally-praiseworthy if you're rich and simply buy your way to success. And coming from Red Sox fans, with our history of 21st Century success, the constant whine that we're not always in it every year, or don't sign every FA or trade target dangled over the market is a bit much. Um. No. That's not fair. It's fucking obnoxious.

No, what's in accordance with the general drift of America is the belief held by the majority of fans that it's more fun to root for a team whose ownership most successfully exploits its labor.

John Marzano Olympic Hero · Sep 13, 2022

Shaky Walton said:
I agree with you. I want the Red Sox to win games and win championships. As many of each as possible, please. And I don't care one bit about how they do it.

But I do get the PREFERENCE that some fans have that they do it in a way that does not feel like it's store bought, like some of the Yankees teams felt like. Even though much of the MFY core was home grown, they had a "buy another shiny piece" feel during their hideous run of titles in the latter part of the last century, and I get not wanting to resemble that.

Again, I am not of that view. I like titles, however they may come. (That sounds dirty). But I can understand RR's "logic."

I think that we're on the same page here but if we look at the Sox starting lineup from 2004, there was one player (Trot Nixon) who was drafted and brought up through the minor league system. There was nobody* like that in the starting rotation (*Schilling was drafted, went through the system but was traded and on his fifth organization by the time he came back) or the bullpen for that matter. In fact there were only a handful of true "homegrown" players on that team (Burks, Youkilis, Nomar, Alvarez and maybe a few more) and when that ball was hit back to Foulke I didn't care one bit. I don't think anyone else did either.

Building a good baseball team is insanely hard without adding a dollop of "doing it the right way" on top of it. And what does doing it the right way mean, anyway? Having 25 players with the bare minimum base salaries? Is that the rightest way of doing it? Why do we attach any sort of significance to saving a billionaire money? Because it's more honorable? To whom?

Baseball, as is all professional sports, is entertainment. I'd like to be entertained night-in, night-out by the best players. Those players cost money. Why is it any different from going to a movie and wanting to see the best actors? Or going to a concert and seeing the best musicians. You want the best, you have to pay for the best. Only in sports is it deemed "better" or "more true" if you win cheaply. Like that means anything to anyone other than the person who owns the club.

8slim · Sep 13, 2022

John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
I think that we're on the same page here but if we look at the Sox starting lineup from 2004, there was one player (Trot Nixon) who was drafted and brought up through the minor league system. There was nobody* like that in the starting rotation (*Schilling was drafted, went through the system but was traded and on his fifth organization by the time he came back) or the bullpen for that matter. In fact there were only a handful of true "homegrown" players on that team (Burks, Youkilis, Nomar, Alvarez and maybe a few more) and when that ball was hit back to Foulke I didn't care one bit. I don't think anyone else did either.

Building a good baseball team is insanely hard without adding a dollop of "doing it the right way" on top of it. And what does doing it the right way mean, anyway? Having 25 players with the bare minimum base salaries? Is that the rightest way of doing it? Why do we attach any sort of significance to saving a billionaire money? Because it's more honorable? To whom?

Baseball, as is all professional sports, is entertainment. I'd like to be entertained night-in, night-out by the best players. Those players cost money. Why is it any different from going to a movie and wanting to see the best actors? Or going to a concert and seeing the best musicians. You want the best, you have to pay for the best. Only in sports is it deemed "better" or "more true" if you win cheaply. Like that means anything to anyone other than the person who owns the club.

Agreed.

Not to mention, we, the Red Sox fan base, provide ownership with one of the most lucrative revenue streams of any franchise in the sport.

We pay the highest ticket prices, subscribe to cable TV at the highest rate, and buy nearly the most merch. Ownership should be reinvesting that into the product.

Now, I do understand the value of having a strong farm system and cost-controlled major league talent. But to me that value is almost entirely about (a) having prospects to trade for major league needs, and (b) having productive, cheap players that enable the team to spend, extensively, on other needs. It all comes back to putting forth the best possible team and spending at, or near, the top of the league to do it *because the franchise makes more money than nearly everyone else in the sport*.

8slim · Sep 13, 2022

I also don't understand the "smarter not richer" point being made by a Red Sox fan.

How many times have the Sox not been a top 5-spending ballclub in the past 20 years?

ONCE.

In 2003, when we were 6th.

John Marzano Olympic Hero · Sep 13, 2022

8slim said:
I also don't understand the "smarter not richer" point being made by a Red Sox fan.

How many times have the Sox not been a top 5-spending ballclub in the past 20 years?

ONCE.

In 2003, when we were 6th.

People love being the underdogs and the martyrs and the ones that "do it the right way". It's sports, there is no right way. Flex your muscles, get the best players available. Always.

8slim · Sep 13, 2022

John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
People love being the underdogs and the martyrs and the ones that "do it the right way". It's sports, there is no right way. Flex your muscles, get the best players available. Always.

Reminds me of the college sports fans who like to claim that they'd rather "run their program the right way" than win a "dirty" championship. Of course that ignores (a) all college programs are dirty to some degree, and (b) that's what fans of loser programs say.

Rovin Romine · Sep 13, 2022

John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
People love being the underdogs and the martyrs and the ones that "do it the right way". It's sports, there is no right way. Flex your muscles, get the best players available. Always.

Sandy Leon Trotsky · Sep 13, 2022

Lose Remerswaal said:
Trying really hard not to say "cool story, bro" since it's not your experience, but that's a really Small Sample Size. As mentioned by others, $65-$70 seats (and cheaper) are available for every game. And the T is $5/person from anywhere on the subway system (when operating, of course). Add $20 for parking if you must at a remote location (although $5 parking is easy, too) and we're up to $320 for a family of 4. Souvenirs aren't required. Food can be brought with you or eaten at 100 better places outside the park. And if you are willing to sit in the bleachers those tickets now cost $35/each so the total is under $200 for 4 people.

Very few things are worse than someone telling you what they were “going to say”. Fucking passive aggressive bullshit.
But this isn’t a plate appearance… you can’t just compare A hypothetical experience of attending a Red Sox game…. How to spend one’s money properly, how to get oneself to the game and it’s presumed cost vs an actual experience and then dismiss the experience. That’s just flat out shitty.
But assume you’re an old man… 77 years old with your wife trying to take two nieces, 8 and 10 and tell me again they didn’t do it right…. But say it in an even more passive aggressive way.
They could have spent more…. They could have spent less. They spent “about $500”! And they weren’t great seats. They weren’t shitty either.
Say they could have been as smart as you and spent $385. That’s still a lot of coin. It far outpaces the cost of that same event in ‘97.
Yeah sure…. Yes… the increase in cost reflects Sox actually winning. But that’s not the point at all. It’s about ridiculous amounts of profit pocketed by (top tier) players and ownership both at the expense of having a multi-class direct fan engagement.

Lose Remerswaal · Sep 13, 2022

Your example was a sample size of 1. And 4 folks CAN go to a Red Sox game for substantially under $500. Plenty of decent bleacher seats out there and with resale options, good seats aren't hard to find @$65-70 if you try.

Everything costs more than 25 years ago. Read the Inflation thread.

I still haven't seen any businesses accepting less than maximum profits to make things easy for the average consumer. Expecting MLB to be the exception to every other business is naive.

Top tier products cost top dollar. Major League sports. Concerts. Famous clothing brands. Wine. Theater. Cars. Jewelry. That's how it goes under Capitalism.

Sandy Leon Trotsky · Sep 13, 2022

Lose Remerswaal said:
Your example was a sample size of 1. And 4 folks CAN go to a Red Sox game for substantially under $500. Plenty of decent bleacher seats out there and with resale options, good seats aren't hard to find @$65-70 if you try.

Everything costs more than 25 years ago. Read the Inflation thread.

I still haven't seen any businesses accepting less than maximum profits to make things easy for the average consumer. Expecting MLB to be the exception to every other business is naive.

Top tier products cost top dollar. Major League sports. Concerts. Famous clothing brands. Wine. Theater. Cars. Jewelry. That's how it goes under Capitalism.

Do you not understand that Sample Size means nothing in this? This isn’t trying to understand a players worth going forward.
A person’s experience means quite a lot.

Please get a job with the Red Sox PR and post next to “buy tickets” how if they click the button just right they’ll be able to do it for under $500 for a family of 4.

I didn’t say I “expect” anything. I said I “wish”.
I wish lots of things…. It bums me out that lots of people can’t connect to the Sox like they used to and it has a helluva lot to do with the price of a ticket.
And I understand inflation. But the cost for a ticket has far outpaced inflation. The Sox spend a big chunk of that. I ehem…. WISH… they could lower ticket prices.

Lose Remerswaal · Sep 13, 2022

Yes, ticket prices have outpaced inflation in Big League Sports. Wishing it wasn't so is nice, I guess, but not productive.

I don't understand the Get a job with Sox PR bit. But if you want to talk directly I'd be happy to walk you thru the process using Redsox.com and Stubhub.

AB in DC · Sep 28, 2022

AB in DC said:
I don't know why, but I have this irrational desire to see them win the season series against the Orioles. They just need to win three out of four at home in a couple weeks

Still in play. Winner take "all" tomorrow afternoon.

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