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Next person that gets stomped on, strangled, or kicked in the nuts can blame Adam.
Next person that gets stomped on, strangled, or kicked in the nuts can blame Adam.
Everybody Hates Draymond
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Draymond turning his suspension into a clickbait thumbnail for his podcast pretty much says it all. Silver better be praying that he just punches someone next time, if he causes a serious injury, the player would have an awful lot of evidence for a lawsuit, I would think.
I find it more likely that Draymond is bullshitting than that Adam Silver 'talked him out of retirement'. It's probably more like "Stop being a melodramtic ass, nobody's forcing you to retire" than talking him out of retirement.
Second Cs/Warriors game isn't until March so that is plenty of time for him to be suspended for the year before he gets the chance to torpedo our season by gouging out JT's eyes or something.
I'm thinking this conversation took place only in Draymond's $.05 head. Why would Silver want this asshole in the league? I would imagine his life would be more peaceful if Draymond rode off into the sunset wouldn't it? I'm so rooting for Green to do something stupid, preferably a non-injury to a marquee name player, so Silver can just boot his ass for the rest of the year.
It's not like Draymond is a big draw or a premier star in the league. Would Silver try and talk Curry out of retirement? Absolutely. Green? No way.
Because a good Golden State basketball team is good for the league overall. And as we have seen, they are a much better team with Draymond playing
I don't think Silver is ever going to want a HOF level player to resign in disgrace, which is what a retirement now would be. His best case scenario would be for Draymond to come back and behave himself. I don't know how likely that is, but Silver discouraging him from retiring during this suspension is not the least bit surprising to me.
If his punching accuracy matches his shooting accuracy, he'll slug a teammate. Again.
100%. I mean Draymond's own quote basically says this.
Silver was basically saying "take some time to think about this, you're obviously very emotional right now"
The problem is accepting his retirement thoughts as real. He's a complete phony of a human. I put no credibility into him retiring. Just more look at me bullshit.
Yup, that's precisely how to look at this. As great and as unique as Draymond was, his act is really tired at this point, and that's before his behavior went even farther downhill.
100%, I'm only looking at it from Silver's perspective. I don't think he's at the level (yet) where he wants to see a future HOFer retire in disgrace. He's probably still in the "fingers crossed that draymond figures it out" stage.
I listened to about 20 minutes of the podcast. The retirement quote was a small piece but seems to be what everyone is going to run with. He did try and take some responsibility but most of it was a word salad.
Right. On Saturday, my 7 year old built two thirds of a snowman, and then had two successive heads fail to stay on top of the others or fall apart. In frustration, she declared that she was going to kick over the rest of it and wreck it. I had to restrain her from "I can do whatever I want, it's my snowman", and use it as a moment to work on sticking with something. She was perhaps every bit as serious about it as Draymond was, in the moment, and an adult is sometimes needed to give everyone a pause and a chance to refocus. The main difference is, of course, that the snowman's head had more in it than Draymond's.
I really can't get enough of the retirement thing, it adds another flavor to this whole saga that is just incredible.
NBA: "Stop punching, kicking and choking people!"
Draymond: "I can't do it, maybe I'll just retire."
NBA: "Stop punching, kicking and choking people!"
Draymond: "I can't do it, maybe I'll just retire."
It brings me no joy whatsoever to report that Draymond is talking about his issues - and particularly, how he took Durant's comments of "I hope he gets the help he needs" - in a way that shows real maturity and growth. Reframing others' statements, to not perceive them as negative or get defensive and to find a productive way to view them, is like a top-tier emotional skill. I'm not super great at it myself. So at a very minimum, he's listened to some smart people, likely therapists, and can at least mirror some of the language they use and their thought processes. At a maximum, he's taking some stuff to heart.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39270818/suns-kevin-durant-meant-no-ill-comments-warriors-draymond-green-wake-suspension
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39270818/suns-kevin-durant-meant-no-ill-comments-warriors-draymond-green-wake-suspension
I'm generally happy if someone might, maybe, be productively working through his severe issues?
Yes, that would be the ideal outcome, as unlikely as it might be. My leading quip was more that I just don't plain like him, but felt compelled to recommend that quote since it stood out to me so dramatically from the defensiveness and deflection that you expect from elite athletes who've been coddled their whole lives and use their egos to drive them.
Would be great if Draymond did actually use the time to change his mindset/behaviors/etc. But... Draymond talks a lot...and until he actually changes how he acts on the court then it's all just lip service. Hard to imagine that a ton could have changed in the fairly short period of time that he was out..and to see this as anything more than the NBA trying to pretend to care about Green's behavior and attempts to change/modify that behavior. I guess at the least they did suspend him for longer than most players have been suspended..but his behavior has also been fairly unique. Hard to imagine that the players he's attacked want to get back on the court with him any time soon.
I think every single one of them are itching to get up in his grill and see if they can trigger the next incident.
I didn't know Spotrac had a tab that shows a player's fines and suspensions. I clicked on Draymond's. You gotta do a lot of scrolling to get to the bottom of this list. Oh boy
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/draymond-green-10860/fines/
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/draymond-green-10860/fines/
This is incredible shit, thanks for sharing. I'm going to get some mileage out of this during future lunch breaks. Rasheed, Jermaine O'Neal, Artest and Rodman also received way fewer fines than I would have imagine, but I guess that's a testament to the ways in which the game has changed as far as officiating goes.
I only wish there was an easy way to sort players by how much they've been fined without going to individual pages. This sent me down a brief rabbit hole of looking at different articles about biggest fines in NBA history, but that avenue isn't super fruitful, as a lot of fines handed out by the league to entire organizations are at the top of those kinds of lists. Though my brief search did yield this tasty morsel that I'd completely forgotten - or possibly never heard before, though it happened during the peak of my consume-everything-NBA-related fandom:
Vlad thought he was pretty rad indeed.
While I am hoping that Draymond has actually learned from his mistakes and changed, I am also a realist and I don't believe he did....I am also incredibly petty and, at this point, my big wish is that Draymond blows his sweet TNT gig after he stops playing. I can't stand him and I don't want to have to listen to his opinions on broadcast TV.
He’s a tough player to root for given all the ridiculousness and straight up violence, but I do root for him (when not playing the Cs) and do hope he cuts the shit. I’m in awe at how he sees/processes the game of basketball, when he’s actually engaged in that part of himself and not choking/stomping/throwing haymakers. It’s a beautiful thing to see, especially in the motion offense that they run in GS. His hoops IQ is off the charts.
Obviously he’s long since played his best games and that no doubt feeds into why he’s ramped up the maniac routine. But I still see glimpses of that prime dynasty stuff especially when Steph and Klay are dialed in.
So I’m a vote for hope he cuts the shit, have my doubts.
Obviously he’s long since played his best games and that no doubt feeds into why he’s ramped up the maniac routine. But I still see glimpses of that prime dynasty stuff especially when Steph and Klay are dialed in.
So I’m a vote for hope he cuts the shit, have my doubts.
That's a fun list to see, although the fact that it breaks out all the technical fouls into individual fines and rows explains most of the scrolling. Jayson Tatum for instance has over 50 rows on his fines/suspensions tab.
A few more curiosities:
Tim Duncan - 11 in 19 seasons
Kobe - 7 in 20
Manu Ginobili - 2 in 16
Ironically, we might be reaching the point where this NBA rule applies to stepping on a basketball court with Draymond Green...
This is why Kelly Oubre Jr. likely made up that he was hit by a car while cycling, when he was almost definitely doing BMX stunts on his bike earlier this year when he got injured.
I don't normally share Reddit sub comments because humans can only handle so much knowledge at any one time but a poster thinks they have the lip-reading down. I don't know if they do but since its the Draymond thread so anything goes apparently.
Not to mention that Green refers to Dumars as "family." No idea how the NBA keeps a straight face on "discipline."
I had never heard of this. That’s laughable on multiple levels. Somewhere, Roger Goodell nods approvingly.
I'm no expert in lip reading, but that ain't it. Would've been great though.
