End of an Era: Bill Belichick and Patriots to part ways
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Did the Krafts hire the dentist last week? Seems as though they feel a need to set a narrative here.
What is Howe even talking about here?
He follows up this quote "Belichick liked Jones, but he also liked quarterback Davis Mills. Belichick also was dead set on taking a quarterback at that spot "
With this quote in the next paragraph "Belichick appeared content to wait for Mills, who fell to Caserio’s Texans in the third round, but relinquished to the staff’s strong push for Jones, according to league sources."
So, he was dead set on taking a QB with their first round pick, but also appeared content to not do that?
That’s like getting “yes” and “no” mixed up. It does change the meaning slightly.
Weird how all the incredibly sourced hatchet jobs on Belichick have come out immediately, while there's been nothing much written about anyone's else involvement here. Maybe Bill's waiting to bring the hammer down w/ his media cronies in a few weeks?
Look, 100% they needed more weapons the last few years and made some brutal decisions from a roster-construction perspective. No disagreement there. Blaming solely Belichick for what Mac Jones has done the past 2 seasons, though, seems pretty outrageous to moi. And even with that said, if you want to fire him, fine! But don't feed us all this after the fact BS about his personality or management style or anything else being the real reason he's being let go. Like I respect Mike Reiss as a reporter, but seriously, a non-optimally placed pin on Bill's shirt at the coaches meetings last fall is the LEAD of an article about him sowing disfunction in the organization?!
The Krafts were jerking themselves off constantly (not even trying to refer to The Florida Affair here) when this coach was running the roster and leading the team to an unprecendented run of success. He is 1b responsible for elevating them and this franchise into football royalty. As it has stopped working, I fear the Krafts telegraphing a need to step into areas they don't know anything about (like managing a successful NFL roster,. or coaching a successful NFL team) in order to prove that they themselves also deserve a bunch of credit for how good the Patriots have been.
There's a reason Bill Parcells derisevely referred to J. Kraft as "Harvard" once upon a time. I'm bearish on any NFL team where ownerhsip starts to get overly involved with decision-making. Obviously owners are going to want major decisions run by them, will ask questions, etc. but getting too hand-on has pretty much always spelled disaster for any team in this league.
Look, 100% they needed more weapons the last few years and made some brutal decisions from a roster-construction perspective. No disagreement there. Blaming solely Belichick for what Mac Jones has done the past 2 seasons, though, seems pretty outrageous to moi. And even with that said, if you want to fire him, fine! But don't feed us all this after the fact BS about his personality or management style or anything else being the real reason he's being let go. Like I respect Mike Reiss as a reporter, but seriously, a non-optimally placed pin on Bill's shirt at the coaches meetings last fall is the LEAD of an article about him sowing disfunction in the organization?!
The Krafts were jerking themselves off constantly (not even trying to refer to The Florida Affair here) when this coach was running the roster and leading the team to an unprecendented run of success. He is 1b responsible for elevating them and this franchise into football royalty. As it has stopped working, I fear the Krafts telegraphing a need to step into areas they don't know anything about (like managing a successful NFL roster,. or coaching a successful NFL team) in order to prove that they themselves also deserve a bunch of credit for how good the Patriots have been.
There's a reason Bill Parcells derisevely referred to J. Kraft as "Harvard" once upon a time. I'm bearish on any NFL team where ownerhsip starts to get overly involved with decision-making. Obviously owners are going to want major decisions run by them, will ask questions, etc. but getting too hand-on has pretty much always spelled disaster for any team in this league.
Obviously poor decisions of meddling by ownership can ruin an otherwise good franchise, but is there a lot of evidence that the Krafts can't buy good groceries?
If they can they will be the first example of ownership doing so well. Unless you think GM Jerry has done a great job.
That;s just a lot of us. Our sin is we didn't make enough noise when it mattered.
I don't think Bill wants to play this game. And good for him. He's always been about "his job" and anything that detracts from that is kind of pointless. He's really coming out as the adult here. And I respect him for it.
As to meddling, I think you're right and the worst form is where there's no interference, then just a bit, then more, etc. Having no clear idea of expectations is what erodes trust even more than the general issue. I fear that is what happened here. (And of course, the results were bad, which antagonizes everyone.)
Posted something similar in the other thread, but it appears both mayo and wolf had the approval of kraft at the expense of BB and the culture he had created, warts and all. Not coincidentally, both of these guys end up on top.
If that same great coach hadn't proven to be a mediocre or worse talent evaluator/GM over the last 5 years, it never would've come to this. I get being upset about losing his coaching acumen, but it's a package deal and the cons are starting to outweigh the benefits.
If it was a locked and loaded slam dunk and teams would kill to have him, he would have been picked up already.
Actually, that’s not true. Teams will be waiting until after the divisional round as per league guidelines on interviewing. We don’t even know how his agent has responded to inquiries so far. Maybe Bill is taking a few days to assess, especially when the hiring process for coaches hasn’t even begun in earnest.
What? Lol he might end up in Philly or Dallas if this weekend goes wrong for one or both.
I’m glad this all happened so close to the weekend because I’ve been really distracted from following it too closely and every little drip and drab over the past two days specifically has really pissed me off. Unfathomable to me to fire Bill and keep literally everyone else. I’m never going to believe 5 years of drafting like shit was entirely on him overruling the others in the room.
That’s not how it works. He has to wait anyway, and he may wait to see what’s the best team that axes their coach.
I mean, you're talking about the guy that scouted and advocated for Tom Brady.
Plus Parcells learned to love Terry Glenn, who is still one of the best receivers the Patriots knew in terms of yards and catches per game. (although perhaps unfortunately)
I saw that the Chargers and one other team, maybe the Titans, have concluded their coaching interviews and BB wasn’t mentioned as one of the interviewees. Do teams have to disclose exactly who they interviewed before making a decision?
Certainly don't want to take anything away from Rehbein as the first advocate but he obviously couldn't have done all the Patriots scouting on Brady since he only just joined the team.
I have not heard any reports that any team has interviewed Belichick.
And interviews are happing right now.
Jonathan Kraft noodling around on this website - https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft - would have drafted more consistently well than BB did over the last several years. So would you.
The prevalence of Jonathan Kraft talk on this forum is a key indicator that far too many of you people listen to sports talk radio. The leakage of that shit into this space is making the whole place borderline unreadable.
That's fair. Although I was just trying to make that point by bringing up his name, among all of ours, as someone who could draft more effectively with the help of scouting websites compared to the Patriots F.O. from the last handful of years.
I can’t imagine him working for Jerruh and yet after this performance he might offer to make him a co owner.
My sources tell me BB just got fitted for a pair of hand made Lucchese snakeskin boots and a 10x Stetson.
I'm worried about Jonathan Kraft's role moving forward and I haven't listened to 1 minute of sports talk radio in over 3 years.
To me, it's also a key indicator that many people here are too young to remember when we had multiple crappy owners of Boston sports teams. The Krafts (and Henry & Werner) don't get a free pass from me, but I need to see a lot worse from them before I start actively rooting for opposing teams and coaches to embarrass their team.
Wow,.clever burn. Multiple internet points sir.
Its your prerogative to believe that there are no potential issues with ownership meddling going forward. But there seems to be enough smoke that it seems reasonable to be concerned. You may disagree. But it doesn't mean that anybody who disagrees with you is a Muppet, even if that's my user name.
I have been beyond frustrated by the recent years (and not so recent years) of unforced errors in draft and roster construction. The idea that somehow RKK and Jonathan are LESS SO or shouldn't be pissed off and investigating as much as possible what went wrong, that they're supposed to sit idly by and be polite and not do their pissed off due diligence about the Cole Stranges and Tyquan Thorntons and Matt Patricias and and and of the last half decade...is just ridiculous. It doesn't mean they're Steinbrenner-ing, it means they're being reasonable and proactive. That's being an owner, not "meddling."
An owner has the perogative to fire an employee, even a long time employee who is critical to the operation of the owner's asset, if in the opinion of the owner, the manager is not getting an optimal ROA from the asset, without being accused of being meddlesome.
It is kinda funny that many people who constantly berate the Boston sports media also have a distaste for Jonathan Kraft… due to reports in the Boston sports media.
Same. I don’t even live in New England, so I’d have to proactively find a web stream or whatever. And I definitely don’t do that just to listen to the mouthbreathers on EEI.
This headline is literally based on comments by a random coach. It's silly season right now around this team.
It is very much silly season, but the thought has entered many people's minds here as at least the Pats becoming the Cowboys is not difficult to see.
Jimmy Johnson coached for 5 seasons, and was fired by Jerry Jones right after winning a second consecutive Lombardi.
Bill Belichick coached for 24 seasons, running the entire football operation for most of that time, and was fired by Robert Kraft after missing the playoffs 2 seasons in a row, and going 4-13 in the final season. Other than the term "fired", I don't see the similarities.
Bill Belichick coached for 24 seasons, running the entire football operation for most of that time, and was fired by Robert Kraft after missing the playoffs 2 seasons in a row, and going 4-13 in the final season. Other than the term "fired", I don't see the similarities.
I can honestly say I haven’t listened to EEI or Sports Hub in the last 8-12 months. My perspectives on the Krafts has nothing to do with what Felger or any other talking head has to say. BB and Brady deserve the lions share of this teams credit. RKK deserves credit for having the guts to hire BB and stay out of his way until the Brady saga. Time will tell on the owners involvement going forward but to claim that posters don’t have their own thoughts is pretty ridiculous given the ownerships preferred media has been the one advancing the opposite narrative and I wouldn’t say your opinion is driven by the likes of Curran or Wickerham.