Minor League Thread 2024

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Not a huge difference between these 2 guys last year in AA except the BABIP...

Player A: Age 23, 3.48 ERA, 3.92 FIP, 3.55 xFIP, 9.6 k/9, 2.5 bb/9, 1.14 WHIP, 39.5% gb, 20.3% ld, .274 BABIP

Player B: Age 23, 4.27 ERA, 3.76 FIP, 3.92 xFIP, 9.8 k/9, 3.3 bb/9, 1.43 WHIP, 40% gb, 18.4% ld, .318 BABIP

In terms of ZIPS 3-year projections:

Player A
4.61
4.44
4.32

Player B
4.79
4.65
4.49
 

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Other things (from SP, so their statements not mine):

Player A
6'3
High 3/4 arm slot
FB 91-94, high 96, potential above avg.
Slider 82-85, potential avg.
Changeup 85-88, potential below avg.
Potential multi-inning depth reliever. Ceiling of a back-end starter.

Player B
6'2
High 3/4 arm slot
FB 92-95, high 97, potential avg.
Slider 84-90, potential above avg.
Splitter 81-85, potential fringe avg.
Curveball 76-82, potential avg.
Potential up-and-down depth starter or multi-inning reliever. Ceiling of a back-end starter.

But Player A is their #11 prospect & Player B is their #23.
 

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Next installment is out:

15) Mikey Romero (18, 13)
14) Johanfran Garcia (15, 12)
13) Chase Meidroth (13, 20)
12) Nazzan Zanetello (12, 14)
11) Richard Fitts (11, N/A)

Fitts looks like he's going to slot in 12 on my next list as I think there's a strong tier of 11, which includes Yordanny & SP's top 10, ahead of him, but I have him ahead of that next tier of guys.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2024/02/red-sox-hard-thrower-from-yankees-trade-ranks-no-11-on-masslives-top-25.html
I'm somewhat irrationally excited about the real start of the Nazzan era, and not just because I like palindromes. I won't be surprised if he's top 5 a year from now.
 

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Not a huge difference between these 2 guys last year in AA except the BABIP...

Player A: Age 23, 3.48 ERA, 3.92 FIP, 3.55 xFIP, 9.6 k/9, 2.5 bb/9, 1.14 WHIP, 39.5% gb, 20.3% ld, .274 BABIP

Player B: Age 23, 4.27 ERA, 3.76 FIP, 3.92 xFIP, 9.8 k/9, 3.3 bb/9, 1.43 WHIP, 40% gb, 18.4% ld, .318 BABIP

In terms of ZIPS 3-year projections:

Player A
4.61
4.44
4.32

Player B
4.79
4.65
4.49
I still have irrational hope for this AA guy, too:

Player C: Age 23, 3.92 ERA, 4.93 FIP, 4.15 xFIP, 11.3 k/9, 3.6 bb/9, 1.20 WHIP, 34.3% gb, 18.2% ld, .257 BABIP (SP #45).
 

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I'm somewhat irrationally excited about the real start of the Nazzan era, and not just because I like palindromes. I won't be surprised if he's top 5 a year from now.
If so that would probably mean we've graduated a lot of guys. I hope you're right & it's possible. I wasn't particularly encouraged by his swing this past year, but a very wide variety of outcomes are on the table.
 

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If so that would probably mean we've graduated a lot of guys. I hope you're right & it's possible. I wasn't particularly encouraged by his swing this past year, but a very wide variety of outcomes are on the table.
I just love his athleticism, and hey, it's the dog days of winter and not all of us are in Vegas. :) I need something to dream about.
 

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The point is that his was not remotely close to a HOF player. Yes, he was a very good fielder but for most of the time there were enough bats surrounding him that they could afford to keep him for his glove and occasional hot streaks at the plate. In six of his eleven seasons, he played in fewer than 100 games and in his rookie season, he started the first 10 games before they decided his .097 batting average wasn't enough.
We're still talking about whether we'd be happy with Rafaela replicating JBJ's career right? I mean you can always hope for more, but guys can have really good careers without being on a HOF track. Fwiw Fangraphs pegs JBJ's value in his initial Boston stint around $135m. That's a really solid MLB regular and would be an incredible return on a $10k IFA guy like Cedanne.
 

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I clearly recall after the '16 season there was discussion here if it would be smart to deal one of JBJ or Mookie to the Mets for one of their top 3 starters and a lot of posters was pushing for Mookie to be the trade bait.
 

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I clearly recall after the '16 season there was discussion here if it would be smart to deal one of JBJ or Mookie to the Mets for one of their top 3 starters and a lot of posters was pushing for Mookie to be the trade bait.
Trading a 23 y/o coming off a 9.5 bWAR season would be pretty bonkers.
 

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To repeat: the question is, What wins more ball games: offense or defense? Do you think his bat kept him in the lineup?
It didn't matter for 3/6 years in his prime, since he was an above average hitter in those years.
 

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Well that's a bit demoralizing. I had done a ton of work on my rankings spreadsheet & it was all set except rankings for the new IFAs. & now it's gone & the last version my computer is willing to acknowledge is from November...
 

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Well that's a bit demoralizing. I had done a ton of work on my rankings spreadsheet & it was all set except rankings for the new IFAs. & now it's gone & the last version my computer is willing to acknowledge is from November...
& is older than my last posted list which is what I used as the jumping off point for the last update I did. Not sure how this happens on a computer in 2024 when everything is backed up everywhere at all times. Smh. Oh well, seems like I have a busy day ahead of me lol
 

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Catching up on this thread reminded of how much fun some of these players may be to follow this year.

If Alan Castro has a nice first 2 months, he could be in Portland not to long after turning 21, and that’s really interesting. Moreso if he keeps his eye for the strike zone and finds a little more pop.

Then you get the fun realization that he’s almost a full year older than Roman Anthony.
 

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Not a huge difference between these 2 guys last year in AA except the BABIP...

Player A: Age 23, 3.48 ERA, 3.92 FIP, 3.55 xFIP, 9.6 k/9, 2.5 bb/9, 1.14 WHIP, 39.5% gb, 20.3% ld, .274 BABIP

Player B: Age 23, 4.27 ERA, 3.76 FIP, 3.92 xFIP, 9.8 k/9, 3.3 bb/9, 1.43 WHIP, 40% gb, 18.4% ld, .318 BABIP

In terms of ZIPS 3-year projections:

Player A
4.61
4.44
4.32

Player B
4.79
4.65
4.49
Other things (from SP, so their statements not mine):

Player A
6'3
High 3/4 arm slot
FB 91-94, high 96, potential above avg.
Slider 82-85, potential avg.
Changeup 85-88, potential below avg.
Potential multi-inning depth reliever. Ceiling of a back-end starter.

Player B
6'2
High 3/4 arm slot
FB 92-95, high 97, potential avg.
Slider 84-90, potential above avg.
Splitter 81-85, potential fringe avg.
Curveball 76-82, potential avg.
Potential up-and-down depth starter or multi-inning reliever. Ceiling of a back-end starter.

But Player A is their #11 prospect & Player B is their #23.

I still have irrational hope for this AA guy, too:

Player C: Age 23, 3.92 ERA, 4.93 FIP, 4.15 xFIP, 11.3 k/9, 3.6 bb/9, 1.20 WHIP, 34.3% gb, 18.2% ld, .257 BABIP (SP #45).
If anyone was curious about who these players are, but not curious enough to ask or look it up, Player A is Fitts, Player B is Dobbins & Player C is Isaac Coffey.
 

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Next installment is out:

15) Mikey Romero (18, 13)
14) Johanfran Garcia (15, 12)
13) Chase Meidroth (13, 20)
12) Nazzan Zanetello (12, 14)
11) Richard Fitts (11, N/A)

Fitts looks like he's going to slot in 12 on my next list as I think there's a strong tier of 11, which includes Yordanny & SP's top 10, ahead of him, but I have him ahead of that next tier of guys.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2024/02/red-sox-hard-thrower-from-yankees-trade-ranks-no-11-on-masslives-top-25.html
Even though there is a rankings thread now, I started this series here, so I might as well finish it:

10) Nick Yorke (6, 11)
9) Luis Perales (7, 6)
8) Wikelman Gonzalez (9, 9)
7) Yoeilin Cespedes (10, 8)
6) Wilyer Abreu (8, 10)

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2024/02/potential-red-sox-opening-day-right-fielder-ranks-6th-on-masslives-top-25.html
 

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Even though there is a rankings thread now, I started this series here, so I might as well finish it:

10) Nick Yorke (6, 11)
9) Luis Perales (7, 6)
8) Wikelman Gonzalez (9, 9)
7) Yoeilin Cespedes (10, 8)
6) Wilyer Abreu (8, 10)

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2024/02/potential-red-sox-opening-day-right-fielder-ranks-6th-on-masslives-top-25.html
& finally:

5) Ceddanne Rafaela (4, 5)
4) Miguel Bleis (5, 4)
3) Kyle Teel (3, 3)
2) Marcelo Mayer (2, 1)
1) Roman Anthony (1, 2)

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2024/02/scout-on-top-2-red-sox-prospects-dangerous-pop-5-tool-all-star-talent.html
 

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The article includes quotes from other team scouts on the Top 5.

Rafaela:

“Freaky talented at two skilled positions with the legs and speed to impact the game at the top of the order. A threat on the bases at all times. Stolen base instincts, above-average potential Gold Glove center fielder and a solid defender at shortstop with Mookie Betts athletic-profile comps. Driven kid. Sox may slow down his ETA as he has moved quickly. Greatest need is patience, discipline with strike zone and pitch selection. Aggressive early-count approach to tweak his strikeouts into OBP and walks to utilize his speed. All-Star upside. Floor: Solid everyday 1, 2 hole bat who will produce when he figures out who he is at the plate.”
Bleis:

“Injury proneness is a concern; yet very young still with tools across the board to develop a power-speed, package with uber athleticism. Overall feel for the game with sound defensive skills and instincts in center field. ... Hard contact stands out. Compact stroke with the chance to supply plus contact to project a ceiling of 25-plus homer power in center field or right field; yet he must be patient making up for lost time and developing his strike zone (approach) to upgrade strikeout/walk ratio. Should be on many other team’s radar as a get now with best years in front of them maturing into a solid everyday major league player. ... Loves to play.”
Teel:

“Maybe the sleeper of the whole pack due to his ability to contribute on both sides of the ball. Defense polished out of college. Very mature mentally and physically. Sound left-handed swing with the ability to generate 20-plus home runs, contact and better offense than most we see. Defense is above average at present, ahead of his bat, which could get him to the major leagues quicker than expected. Projects a strong feel for handling pitchers, which he takes a great deal of pride in. Very talented kid with a terrific package of physical skills and intangibles with sound athleticism. The manager will love this kid taking charge and lending a strong trust at a key position.”
Mayer:

“The injury to the shoulder should not temper this future five-tool All-Star potential shortstop path to the major leagues where his skills and intangibles will enable above-average impact on both sides of the ball. Mental makeup, intangibles on both sides of the ball should play some in the core of a lineup as a middle infield talent. Contact. Power projection. His speed will excite on top of plus shortstop defense. Very poised with feel, drive and passion.”
Roman:

“Young, mature, athletic with more strength coming naturally. Long levers create a little length in swing at times. Sound concept of the strike zone. Discipline at his age will carry him to plus hit skills. Contact/power to all fields type. Future dangerous pop inside the park and out of the park. Impressive 2023 adjustments seen and hung in vs left-handed pitchers. Defense has kept him in left field, yet may pop up in either corner with instinct and deceptive speed that enables base running contributions. Presence, poise and overall passion, feel at 19 qualify as future above average major league player.”
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2024/02/scout-on-top-2-red-sox-prospects-dangerous-pop-5-tool-all-star-talent.html
 

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Klaw bumps the Sox up in his rankings:
8. Boston Red Sox
The Red Sox’s system had a hell of a 2023, even with their top guy (Marcelo Mayer, No. 8) getting hurt again. Roman Anthony (No. 22) is one of the big development success stories in all of the minors, with a remade swing that’s one of the best in the minors and the team’s recognition that he was too good for Low A even when he wasn’t performing stat-wise. Their 2023 draft worked out better than they might have hoped, with Kyle Teel (No. 54) falling to their first pick and then the very high-upside athlete Nazzan Zanetello coming with their second pick. The big knock I had last year is still here, though — they do not have pitching, with nobody in full-season ball I’d project as a major-league starter, and at some point that will have to change via trade or a different approach in the draft.
 

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Ha! Yeah but everyone digs the long ball. It's the Bobby Dalbec, Wily Mo Pena, Franchy Cordero thing. Will they avoid making so many outs that those 470' bombs mean something? Niko was always a super long shot and needed to move that 40% in the good direction. Did not happen.
Going to break this convo out from the rankings thread, but fortunately we do not seem to be investing too much into that archetype. Among players with at least 160 PAs last year, these are the highest k% of guys who are still around (everyone over 28.5%):

Albert Feliz - 36.3%
Niko Kavadas - 35.8%
Alex Binelas - 35.1%
Bobby Dalbec - 34.3%
Nick Decker - 33.7%
Bryan Gonzalez - 33.3%
Ahbram Liendo - 31.2%
Phillip Sikes - 30.7%
Ronald Rosario - 30.1%

Niko was 3rd in the Sox org in bb% (2nd among Nikos, Goodrum walked 23.1% while striking out 21%):

Yoiber Ruiz - 22%
Niko Kavadas - 20.4%
Kelvin Diaz - 19.1%
Andruw Musett - 18.3%
Enmanuel Valdez - 17.7%
Roman Anthony - 17.5%
Kleyver Salazar - 17.2%
Ahbram Liendo - 16.3%
Wilyer Abreu - 16.3%
Chase Meidroth - 16.2%
 

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Side note - looks like the Red Sox are going with Plan C:

I kind of demo'd this argument in the Minor League forum, but let me craft it a bit better here & prepare for the backlash...

I think the order of preference for me is as follows:

Plan A - Sign Yamamoto or Ohtani

If either player is interested in having you on a level playing field among their favorites, be the highest bidder at almost any cost. Then you could comfortably add a secondary rotation piece if you get Yamamoto & probably two secondary pieces if you get Ohtani.

Plan B - Add two or three secondary pieces for ~decent value

This isn't like 6/$180m for Jordan Montgomery, it's finding a few guys who the pitching brain trusts believes in their stuff, & who have past success, but they think they can get more success out of. Imanaga/Lugo/Flaherty/whoever they identify as actual difference makers at decent values.

Plan C - A year of evaluation

Hyopethically - prices are bonkers, teams are asking for unrealistically damaging packages in return for pitchers who may not even be difference makers...so let's not kill our future trying to compete in a year where maybe we really can't in a way that looks useful moving forward.

i. Data points as to why this may be something they are already considering in some form:

a) Breslow is new on the job & is in the process of learning & evaluating EVERYONE. Cora has one year left on his contract, all the legacy FO people have been put on notice they're being evaluated. Breslow doesn't know whose opinion to trust, yet.

b) Breslow has made it clear they have no interest in trading for players with 1 year left on their contract (rentals).

c) The Red Sox traded Verdugo who is on an expiring contract.

d) The Red Sox haven't done anything yet in terms of acquisitions outside of long-term cost controlled pitching.

e) Breslow has talked a lot about sustainability.

f) Breslow does not have a particular allegiance to the players Bloom has acquired and may not see how they form a cohesive team that is ready to compete.

ii. Why this wouldn't be a bad thing:

a) Time is a flat circle & a '24 where we're evaluating C Note, Abreu, Valdez, etc etc would be a fun & important developmental year. Maybe we call up Yorke, Mayer, Teel & maybe even Anthony by the end of the year & let them keep their rookie eligibility to try to get ROY in '25 & get that extra 1st round pick. Want to try Winckowski as a starter? Mata as a closer? The world is your developmental oyster.

b) This would free us up to trade ALL of our expiring contracts for full value. I want to trade Kenley regardless, but him, Pivetta, Martin, Sale? All in play. People don't want to pay Sale's or Jansen's full contract? No problem, we're staying under the tax for one more year anyway so we'll take on some or most of it for better prospects.

c) Stay under the tax one more year & hoard resources for when it's really time to really make a push. Take the opportunity to make long term commitments to Casas, Bello, or anyone else you think deserves it.

d) Add layers of depth to the system, get all your ducks in a row, & get more of Breslow's type of players into the developmental system.

iii. Why this shouldn't be Plan A (or B), but is better than Plan D:

Yoshinobu Yamamoto & Shohei Ohtani should be Plan A. Both would provide huge buzz & both would likely be even more valuable in '25 than '24, & if they want to compete in '24 to appease them, you do it. If they're on board the '25 & forever train, that's even better, but the fact is, someone is going to pay them infinity $ & if they don't want to come to Boston, infinity + 5 isn't going to get it done.

If the market for guys you like & think are going to help put you over the top this year isn't prohibitive, great. Get it done. But if those things aren't on the table, don't just overpay the crap out of people you don't really believe in to win a press conference or show concrete results or whatever buzzwords you want to excuse for making panic signings to appease the unappeasable. Signing mid players to big contracts is a ticket to being mid. The Red Sox shan't be mid. Bloom got hate from both sides for trying to thread the needle & ~compete while building the farm system. Let's stop the Kluberization of the Red Sox & really build toward something quickly & completely from top to bottom.

iv. The "The Red Sox didn't bring Breslow in to just be like Bloom & the PR would be horrible" argument:

The difference between this plan under Breslow & what we could do under Bloom is 3-fold:

a) We're focused entirely on process & not on trying to win 85 games. Bloom didn't do things in '22 to make '23 better, & it cost us in '23. Taking a step back in '24 so we're loaded up for '25 & beyond is sensible. Seeing if we have the right manager, and the right front office staff, and the right hitting coaches in place is sensible. & we are clearly indicating what our plan is by trading away all the expiring guys & not trying to sell that we're all in on competing when we clearly aren't. By all indications, Casas & Bello are great guys who are fun interviews and fun to root for. Lean into the personalities of the young guys & let them cook.

b) Bloom was mostly given a grace year in '20, especially after the playoff run in '21, with the exception of being forced to trade Mookie. A new CBO can reasonably be given the grace to take some time to get their people in the door & evaluate all systems in a way that Bloom would not get, or deserve, at this point.

c) Bloom would not be able to say at a pre-season press conference the things that Breslow can say. Bloom would not be able to say we don't have the pieces in place to be a World Series contender, yet, and we need to strengthen our base & core talent & make sure we have the correct people in place throughout the organization because people would ask him wtf he's been doing with the past 4 years of his life & how is he suddenly going to be able to make pitching happen out of thin air. Bloom wouldn't be able to say look at all the strides the Cubs made in pitching while I was there, and point to Justin Steele, Javier Assad and several others. He wouldn't be able to say look what I did with the Giants pitching staff & point to Logan Webb, Kevin Gausman & several others. He wouldn't be able to say look what I did with the Twins pitching staff & point to Jhoan Duran, Bailey Ober & several others. Breslow, unlike Bloom, can say TRUST ME, I will develop pitching & we will succeed once we have my players in the door, with my coaching staff, and we will be able to build a sustainable winner.

Would it be better for PR if we drastically overpaid for Jordan Montgomery & Lucas Gioloto? Sure, probably...until everyone realized how bad those contracts were within the next couple years & the way the Red Sox were limited as a result. I think if we don't get guys we are comfortable with at prices were are comfortable with, going all-in on '25 makes a ton of sense. & that can include a big multi-year Brandon Woodruff deal, a somewhat big multi-year Tyler Mahle deal, & utilizing resources for '25 when teams like the Yankees are already trying to flex their financial might & prospect capital for '24.

Such noisy posting :)
 

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Going to break this convo out from the rankings thread, but fortunately we do not seem to be investing too much into that archetype. Among players with at least 160 PAs last year, these are the highest k% of guys who are still around (everyone over 28.5%):

Albert Feliz - 36.3%
Niko Kavadas - 35.8%
Alex Binelas - 35.1%
Bobby Dalbec - 34.3%
Nick Decker - 33.7%
Bryan Gonzalez - 33.3%
Ahbram Liendo - 31.2%
Phillip Sikes - 30.7%
Ronald Rosario - 30.1%

Niko was 3rd in the Sox org in bb% (2nd among Nikos, Goodrum walked 23.1% while striking out 21%):

Yoiber Ruiz - 22%
Niko Kavadas - 20.4%
Kelvin Diaz - 19.1%
Andruw Musett - 18.3%
Enmanuel Valdez - 17.7%
Roman Anthony - 17.5%
Kleyver Salazar - 17.2%
Ahbram Liendo - 16.3%
Wilyer Abreu - 16.3%
Chase Meidroth - 16.2%
Speaking of power hitters who strike out way too much, BCamp did a piece on Alex Binelas.

In those 82 games for the Sea Dogs, the left-handed hitting corner infielder batted .223/.296/.460 (102 wRC+) with 18 doubles, a team-high 16 homer runs, 52 RBIs, 47 runs scored, 13 stolen bases, 30 walks, and 115 strikeouts over 328 plate appearances.
Apparently Binelas's lane is facing righties at home.

Altogether, it was a year of ups and downs for Binelas, who proved far more effective against right-handed pitching (.237/.304/.494, 15 home runs in 270 plate appearances) than left-handed pitching (.157/.259/.294, one home run in 58 plate appearances). He also evidently enjoyed hitting at Portland’s Hadlock Field more than anywhere else, as his home OPS of .955 was more than 400 points higher than his OPS on the road.
https://bloggingtheredsox.com/2024/02/09/red-sox-power-hitting-prospect-alex-binelas-led-double-a-portland-in-homers-16-last-season/
 
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Would be nice to see something from Freili this year. He played 7 FCL games in the very beginning of the season, sat out a month, went 0-4 with a strikeout, a hbp & a GIDP on July 13th, & then was out for the rest of the season.

He ended the season with a 55 wRC+. Honestly not really sure what SP saw in him to begin with when they had him ranked much higher early in the season, other than the large signing bonus. He had a 94 wRC+ in the DSL in '22 & struck out almost 30% of the time.

View: https://twitter.com/SoxProspects/status/1758608828138991627
 

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Long neck on Judice. The Giraffe of Justice? Still workshopping.

View: https://twitter.com/SoxProspects/status/1758903154500866528

I have him 67th. Not a lot to go on as he didn't pitch last year after being drafted.

He was an 8th round pick with a $185k signing bonus (slightly below slot). The Red Sox drafted Matt Duffy in the 4th & gave him $350k & Connelly Early in the 5th & gave him $408k.

So kind of curious they have Early 57 & Duffy not ranked unless SP just has no faith in the Sox pitcher drafting from the previous regime.

I have Duffy 56 & Early 73. I'm fading Early a bit at this point for bad reasons, but hope to be wrong.
 
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Long neck on Judice. The Giraffe of Justice? Still workshopping.

View: https://twitter.com/SoxProspects/status/1758903154500866528

I have him 67th. Not a lot to go on as he didn't pitch last year after being drafted.

He was an 8th round pick with a $185k signing bonus (slightly below slot). The Red Sox drafted Matt Duffy in the 4th & gave him $350k & Connelly Early in the 5th & gave him $408k.

So kind of curious they have Early 57 & Duffy not ranked unless SP just has no faith in the Sox pitcher drafting from the previous regime.

I have Duffy 56 & Early 73. I'm fading Early a bit at this point for bad reasons, but hope to be wrong.
Speaking of Early...

View: https://twitter.com/SoxProspects/status/1759001335427411982


Early averaged 4.6 innings per game last season & has pitched 211.1 innings total over the last 3 seasons so I'm curious where the "durable" label comes from.
 

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Hunter Noll asked a question that to me was fairly interesting about what prospects don't get enough love who they want him to showcase more.

View: https://twitter.com/Hunter_Noll/status/1758985038564151600


There were responses for Nazzan, Guerrero, Roman, Meidroth, Blaze, Fitts, Sandlin, Anderson, Campbell, Yordanny, Yuten, Penrod, Castro, Gambrell, Troye, Feliz, Cespedes, Teel, Bleis, Rogers, C Note & Deundre Jones.

For me, not including those guys...

Hard to get any FCL coverage, so I won't say Arias, Starlyn, Musett, Batista et al...

So how about:

Perales
Paez
Dobbins
Hoppe
Song
Riemer
Mullins
Brannon
Duffy
Paulino
I Coffey
Stijn
J Rodriguez
Helcris
ERC
 

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Some stuff from Fangraphs on how Roman became Roman last year.

“At the beginning of the year, I was pulling it on the ground a little more than I would like to,” acknowledged Anthony, who was 200-plus plate appearances into the season when he went yard for a second time. “But I worked with my hitting coaches and eventually it clicked. It was really just minor tweaks. It’s not as though I was redoing my swing, or anything like that. I still have pretty much the same swing I’ve always had.”
“It wasn’t necessarily him changing his mechanics,” explained Abraham. “It was our hitting group putting him in certain positions, within certain environmental constraints, that enable him to leverage more balls to the pull side. Some of it was particular drills that allow him to be himself, yet force him to hit the ball in the air without actually physically trying to do so.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/sunday-notes-top-red-sox-prospect-roman-anthony-adjusted-to-power-up/
 

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I'm rooting for Elvis... buuuut there's not a ton to be excited about in terms of results.

View: https://twitter.com/SoxProspects/status/1759260506840342867


After signing for $10k in June '22, the 6'0 RHP pitched in the DSL out of the bullpen

15 games
23.2 IP
3.42 ERA
3.09 xFIP
3.4 bb/9
11.8 k/9
1.01 WHIP

This past year, Elvis started the year in the FCL & they stretched him out as a starter. In his 7 FCL games, he pitched between 3 & 4 innings in all of them, including 5 starts.

His 2nd & 3rd outings were, rough, allowing 4 runs in each of them & walking 8, but his last 4 went quite well: 14 IP, 2 ER, 9 hits, 3 bb, 2 hbp, 14 k's, 1.29 ERA.

On the whole in the FCL he had a 3.70 ERA (4.91 xFIP) in 24.1 IP, 7.8 k/9, 4.1 bb/9, 1.19 WHIP.

In Salem, he also pitched 7 games & pitched 24 innings. His 1st & last outings were great - 4 scoreless innings in each - but he ran into trouble in the middle. Overall at Salem, Elvis had a 4.88 ERA (4.15 xFIP), 9.8 k/9, 3.8 bb/9, 1.42 WHIP.

It's interesting that they prioritized him enough to have him pitch 3 to 4 innings every single game (except one he got knocked out of in the 2nd), & that's pretty good progress for a 19 y/o...Paez & ERC were the only other players in their age 19 season to pitch for Salem last year.

He seems more like a fairly advanced pitchability over stuff guy, but I don't actually have anything to back that up. I have Elvis 84, but hoping to be proven wrong.

View: https://twitter.com/Hunter_Noll/status/1684704347811131392
 

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CJ Liu was pretty bad this year unfortunately.

View: https://twitter.com/SoxProspects/status/1759392450668265632


He did underperform his xFIP by a fair amount (5.35 ERA, 3.90 xFIP), & strike out a lot of people (145 in 114.1 innings, 28.4% k-rate).

But he also walked a lot of people (4.8 per 9) & have a high WHIP (1.56).

Liu wasn't particularly impressive in High-A in '22 either, & underperformed his xFIP then as well (6.10 ERA, 4.91 xFIP).

Something pretty clearly isn't working for Liu, despite the fact he throws quite hard. He turns 25 in April & I think it's about time to see if he can be a competent bullpen arm.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/SoxProspects/status/1759590790550929687


Matthew Lugo, like Liu, was another guy with a disappointing 2023 at Portland. However, it could be '22 that was the outlier.

Lugo signed for $1.1m in June '19 after being drafted in the 2nd round. He is Carlos Beltran's nephew & attended his baseball academy in Puerto Rico for high school.

Lugo in his main stop by year:

'19 GCL - 100 wRC+
'21 A-Ball - 95 wRC+
'22 High-A - 126 wRC+
'23 AA - 84 wRC+

Lugo isn't old (turns 23 in April), but he doesn't have the defensive skills to carry his bat if he doesn't bounce back. He has ~average speed.

5.9% walk rate to 27.6% strikeout rate is rough. One interesting thing (to me) is that despite his variance in wRC+, his BABIP has been very consistent, albeit slowly declining:

'19: .340
'21: .335
'22: .330
'23: .327

Anyway, just not that exciting of a profile to me unless he takes a really large jump with his ability to pick up spin & work PAs. I have Lugo 72nd.
 

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Lugo has long been a staple on the SP rankings.

https://soxprospects.com/history.htm

The highest quarterly rank for him was July '19 (#11)... which says more about the state of the system at that time than anything.

He was #12 in April '23, which speaks to how excited people were about his '22 season.
 

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Just wanted to note the swinging strike % on this chart for Yordanny (#2 in Tilt rating) & Perales (#9). This is for pitchers who started at least 5 games & pitched at least 30 innings in A-Ball at 21 or younger.

View: https://twitter.com/Prospect_Tilt/status/1757865886055120959


Of the players on the list, Yordanny is #1 in swinging strike % with 17.96% & Perales is 4th at 17.01%

I believe both Breslow & Bailey are on the record this off season discussing the importance of getting swinging strikes in the zone.