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Sam Kennedy told us that Dustin Pedroia FaceTimed him, Alex Cora, several of the assistant GMs at dinner last night to point out the remaining free agents on the market and make his feelings known about what the Red Sox should do…
What? Unless there’s info available that Pedroia shared, this is just dumb.
I’m sure it was “WTF are you doing????” though, right?
 

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I was hoping to find more to the quote but that’s my thought as well. But overall, just not sure how that quote helps with anything.
 

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If I recall correctly, their schedule was REALLY TOUGH the last month and a half and you could see the collapse coming for that reason alone.
Like every season, they were playing mostly within their division in September which they were the worst team in (a game ahead of the Yankees on July 31st for 4th) and over 3 games out of WC. The winning record was a mirage
 

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God it is going to be insufferable if this team actually manages to claw its way into a wild card spot. I think projection wise the odds are 5-7% and Vegas is pegging it at 25-30% (Vegas is betting on an upgrade before the season starts)
 

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God it is going to be insufferable if this team actually manages to claw its way into a wild card spot. I think projection wise the odds are 5-7% and Vegas is pegging it at 25-30% (Vegas is betting on an upgrade before the season starts)
Why? You want the sox to suck?
 

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Why? You want the sox to suck?
I want the Red Sox to win. If the Red Sox somehow claw themselves to 85 win back end wild card series to lose 2-0 by Giolito and Pivetta driving the load and then they let both go because of price, it is one step forward, three steps back.
 

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Oh, I was wrong. Quoting Tomase isn't the worst thing that happens around here, since he actually has insider info. Isn't Boston Strong a fan account who has been wrong about just about everything?
 

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Sam Kennedy told us that Dustin Pedroia FaceTimed him, Alex Cora, several of the assistant GMs at dinner last night to point out the remaining free agents on the market and make his feelings known about what the Red Sox should do…
Never wished I had been in the room more than when Pedroia interrupted an executive’s dinner to tell him he’s an idiot to his virtual face.
 

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Didn't know it was second-hand sourcing from Tomase, apologies.
It's not you, but that account is like if I (or you) went on Twitter and just started posting every random thought that popped into my head, but those thoughts were angry so people gravitated to them even though I actually don't know anything and the account ended up blowing up into something that people quote as being a legitimate source even though I spend the entire days sitting in my mom's basement.
 

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God it is going to be insufferable if this team actually manages to claw its way into a wild card spot. I think projection wise the odds are 5-7% and Vegas is pegging it at 25-30% (Vegas is betting on an upgrade before the season starts)
I don’t think Vegas is betting on an upgrade before the season starts
 

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I don’t think Vegas is betting on an upgrade before the season starts
Depends on what you mean by betting? They are clearly pricing some chance that the Sox will pick up another piece into their totals. Whether thats a 60% chance or 20% chance, I dont know, but its definitely there.
 

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Everyone should listen to this. Something clearly really changed internally.
Given this comment, I imagine when Bloom was wooing Kenley he told him they’d compete in 2023 and be in position to really challenge for a title in 2024.

But Bloom is gone and clearly Breslow isn’t even pretending that this team will compete in 2024.

I’m sure it is frustrating for Kenley. He doesn’t have many years left and he clearly loved being in Boston last season.
 

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Raffy from the top rope. Painful but glad he called them out.

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My spanish is basically first grade level, but I'm translating this to, "John Henry is using profit generated by the Red Sox team to invest in other ventures and doesn't really care to put together a winning team... for crissakes all it takes to get into playoff contention is Jordan Fucking Montgomery!!!...... I think Henry should think about what happens if the team continues to dwindle at the bottom of the ALE. Why should other players sign long term deals here if he's not going to commit to putting a budget that would compete with the other teams in the division?"
Roughly...... I'm guessing....
 

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It's gonna be really insane if they don't add more from here. We will see but man does it suck seeing ex star players and your franchise player all saying the same thing - which is- ownership isn't doing enough
The Raffy quote is pretty embarrassing for ownership. So is the one from Kenley.
 

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The Raffy quote is pretty embarrassing for ownership. So is the one from Kenley.
Pedroia calling them and going through a list of free agents still available aint great.

The fact that ownership told us this is hilarious.

It just seems so disconnected. It seems to me that everyone wants to do more but the very top just isn’t going to allow it.
 

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It's gonna be really insane if they don't add more from here. We will see but man does it suck seeing ex star players and your franchise player all saying the same thing - which is- ownership isn't doing enough
The ownership and front office are embarrassing themselves at every turn this offseason. They're alienating the clubhouse and the former players because the focus is too much on the future to the detriment of the current roster. The frustrating part is that this team is not some team that will win 65 games. They have the talent to challenge for a playoff spot if ownership would allow them to go out and upgrade the rotation. Why should us as the fans care about this season when it's so abundantly clear that ownership could care less whether or not they win?
 

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Once again, we are seeing a major disconnect between the front office and on field staff / players. This is a continuation from the Bloom years when it was clear that he and Cora were not on the same page and it trickled down to players who got pissed about moves or non moves, depending on the deadline. The org needs to do a better job of communicating what they are trying to do, if not to us, at least to the coaches and players.
 

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They'll ignore Devers again, just like they did at the trade deadline when he begged for help for the team. At some point he's going to get the message and ask for a trade. And the Sox will deal him for a couple of dimes, claim it was "totally a baseball trade, you guys" and young guys like TAM will see how the Sox treat their stars.
 

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When you see current and former players speaking out a month before the season starts, it is a sign things could get really ugly if this team gets off to a bad start. The wheels could come off quickly. I think it is essential for this team to really play well right out the gate.
 

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They'll ignore Devers again, just like they did at the trade deadline when he begged for help for the team. At some point he's going to get the message and ask for a trade. And the Sox will deal him for a couple of dimes, claim it was "totally a baseball trade, you guys" and young guys like TAM will see how the Sox treat their stars.
The problem with the front office is they're putting all of their eggs into the basket of a few 19-21 year old prospects who may never materialize into star-level talent to build around. Hell, they could turn out to be average players or worse. Are they really going to wait around to seriously invest until we see how they pan out?
 

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When you see current and former players speaking out a month before the season starts, it is a sign things could get really ugly if this team gets off to a bad start. The wheels could come off quickly. I think it is essential for this team to really play well right out the gate.
It’s amazing what signing Montgomery would do on the field, in the Clubhouse, and for the fan base. A rare trifecta of positives
 

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When you see current and former players speaking out a month before the season starts, it is a sign things could get really ugly if this team gets off to a bad start. The wheels could come off quickly. I think it is essential for this team to really play well right out the gate.
And it's all going to be captured for posterity in a Netflix documentary!
 

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Is Kennedy going to call Devers and Jansen liars as well?

"if you think for one second that we aren't passionate, committed, dedicated to the Boston Red Sox, you're wrong, you're a liar, and I'll correct you on it, because it's total BS." - Sam Kennedy, 1/20/24

As a fan, it would be nice to see some consistent messaging, even it isn't 100% what we actually want to hear. It is another thing entirely when current players and the newly hired CBO do not seem to know or understand why the team is doing the things that they are doing.

It is honestly refreshing to see that some of the players are just as confused as myself and other posters on this board. Over this winter, I would think "Maybe there is a grand plan at work here, and I can't see it." Nope - no one knows what is going on, including some people that have a say in the matter.
 

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Part of that quote is him wanting the team to add at the deadline last year, which would have been a bad move. So this will get a lot of press but I dunno, ultimately.

If it gets so bad Raffy demands a trade - well, ownership will deserve the egg on their face. I don't think it will get to that point.
 

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To what extent do we think Cora is feeding some of this? He seemed to have an antagonistic (or at best non-existent) relationship with Bloom, and now as a lame duck manager, he seems to be again maybe not on the same page as his bosses. If Breslow and Cora were on the same page, I’d expect less of this kind of stuff from players. Doesn’t seem like the front office and on field staff are singing from the same hymnal here.
 

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Part of that quote is him wanting the team to add at the deadline last year, which would have been a bad move. So this will get a lot of press but I dunno, ultimately.
It's not surprising that Devers wanted them to improve the team at the deadline last year. He's a competitor. But that part is secondary to the comments about this year's team.
 

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And it's all going to be captured for posterity in a Netflix documentary!
I can't believe this whole thing will be captured on Netflix. I hope it will capture a great underdog story. But, if this team falls of the cliff in April & May, I can't imagine what kind of things we will see next Spring on Netflix.
 

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To what extent do we think Cora is feeding some of this? He seemed to have an antagonistic (or at best non-existent) relationship with Bloom, and now as a lame duck manager, he seems to be again maybe not on the same page as his bosses. If Breslow and Cora were on the same page, I’d expect less of this kind of stuff from players. Doesn’t seem like the front office and on field staff are singing from the same hymnal here.
Cora is leaving and will most likely become the highest paid manager in baseball history for an organization far more committed than this one.

It would be impossible for that not to wash downhill in some fashion even if Cora was doing his best.
 

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To be fair, Devers doesn’t really need to *request* a trade, trading expensive players is kind of what the John Henry Red Sox do.
 

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To what extent do we think Cora is feeding some of this? He seemed to have an antagonistic (or at best non-existent) relationship with Bloom, and now as a lame duck manager, he seems to be again maybe not on the same page as his bosses. If Breslow and Cora were on the same page, I’d expect less of this kind of stuff from players. Doesn’t seem like the front office and on field staff are singing from the same hymnal here.
Yes blame it on Cora, that was the next move of the Bloomer Brigade. Cora is poisoning the minds of the players! Couldn't possibly be that Sam Kennedy is one of the worst Governors in sports.
 

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Part of that quote is him wanting the team to add at the deadline last year, which would have been a bad move. So this will get a lot of press but I dunno, ultimately.

If it gets so bad Raffy demands a trade - well, ownership will deserve the egg on their face. I don't think it will get to that point.
Why would adding to a team that was one game out of the playoff spot in July be considered "a bad move"? You saw what the Rangers and D'Backs did last year, right? You just have to get into the postseason and get hot for a couple of weeks. And it's not like he was saying trade one of TAM for a fourth starter.

It's amazing to me that going for a postseason berth is considered by some people on this board, to be a "bad move". Isn't the goal to win at the Major League level? I don't mean to call you out, but you're a fan of the Boston Red Sox, right?