Why? If they liked him enough wouldn't Dombro have signed him already? Isn't that his m.o., DD always gets his guy?
I agree with this. While the Sox offseason has been incredibly frustrating, it almost feels like a microcosm of something going on throughout MLB. For every FA that signed a deal that people on here think the Sox should have signed, I'm sure there are a number of other fanbases that also think their team should have signed that deal. For all the flak we are (maybe rightfully) giving the Sox for not signing Monty or Snell, the fact is that no other team has signed them either even though they would improve literally any rotation in MLB.
They also made mistakes on who to extend when Dombrowski was here. It truly seems the mindset is, "when in doubt, don't extend the player". If that isn't the mindset, Mookie would still be here.
Yep, I do think both of these things are true, too. Just looking at the division, Toronto - who made the playoffs each of the last two years and probably should try to maximize its time with Bichette and Vlad Jr - is going with IKF at third and Kiermaier as its starting CF. It would seem Chapman and Bellinger would help there, and there were early reports of "Maybe Toronto will go after these guys!" but it hasn't happened yet and probably won't. And man, I know Boston's offseason hasn't been good, but imagine being a Blue Jays fan this offseason? Remember when people thought they were getting Ohtani for a minute?
Is anyone else irritated that Masslive can't be bothered to provide an ounce of context or even-handedness about this standoff between the Red Sox FO and Boras clients? The framing of their reporting (and podcast) is mostly silly punditry at this point, all of it framed entirely around the Red Sox's (they are assuming) mandated cuts to payroll.
Agree with the first paragraph here. On the last bit, please stop this condescending bullshit. No one is “screaming”.
It's only irritating if you expect more. "Stoking outrage" may not be the majority locally, but its a clear plurality.
But this isn't just about Jordan Montgomery. If they signed him tomorrow to a $175 mil deal, I'd be mad, It's about the entirety of the offseason. The failure to upgrade the rotation has been well documented. But at the moment, the projected opening day roster listed on soxprospects has both Emmanuel Valdez (who is a lefty and can't field) and Bobby Dalbec (34% K rate at AAA and he's now 29 years old).
That's a 28 man list fwiw. They do need to upgrade Dalbec but Valdez isn't likely to be a factor unless someone goes down.
I guess you don't have Twitter then. I wasn't specifically pointing at you or anyone else here.
That's been my opinion. It's a Boras project to get veteran free agent starting pitching priced up to the veteran free agent position player market, except teams know all too well that starting pitching is more volatile than position players in general, and especially into their 30s. Boras and probably others want to use Yamamoto as the new benchmark, and the teams are calling bullshit on equating a 25-year-old arm to a 31-year-old one. It's not the Sox vs the angry fans, it's industry-wide.
Yes?
In his last 406 MLB plate appearances (the past two years), he's hit 213/281/361 with a 36% K rate.
Does it really matter at this point? Bobby Dalbec is so far down on the list of issues with the 2024 squad.
This. The most recent data we have is that as of two weeks ago the Red Sox were in "touch" with Montgomery and the Cubs were saying they were waiting for Belinger to call. These guys are going to sign contracts for 10's of millions of dollars. The Red Sox play a Spring training game TOMORROW.
Seems overly simplistic to say they "can't fit him in the budget" despite being $31M under the cap. Just because they appear to have up to $31M to allocate to his salary doesn't mean they should just give him all or most of it. The fact that he's still out there suggests his market isn't what he thinks it should be and the Sox seem to recognize that and are willing to wait him out to get a better price. We may not like it but it's business. They prefer to not pay more than they need to, like most businesses anywhere. It's foolish to expect them to act otherwise.
I just can’t understand how TM can throw “embarrassing” in to the comment. He doesn’t add how much Boras might be looking for. He doesn’t offer an opinion on how much the Sox might pay. He doesn’t even try to offer how much JM might be worth in his opinion.
We know that nothing's happening at all. Call it waiting, call it ignoring. Until Montgomery signs somewhere, we're not likely to know what it is.
So who might be this "industry source?" Seems highly unlikely to be someone with the Red Sox. Or another team (because how would they know this?) So maybe another writer? If so, what's their source for this? The other possibility - probably most likely - is that this is coming from Boras or someone connected to him. In which case it should be discounted as shit-stirring.
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Yes, this is Team Boras trying to embarrass the Red Sox. The issue with Montgomery is not his 2024 salary.
After all that’s transpired this offseason, you still find it hard to believe they’re willing to add a big salary?
We're not — and they're not reports, they're speculations based mostly on hearsay. All of the media reports about Sox free agent courtship are indexed to the CBT threshold, with the implication that it's malpractice for them not to meet it. They're not indexed to the total contract outlay for the free agents in question, and whether those players will make sense relative to in-house options in year 2 or 3 of their contracts or beyond. And of course, they were ready to drop a ton on YY.
What were they willing to pay YY? I haven’t seen any concrete reporting on any Sox offer to him.
Respectfully, I disagree that "we're past the point." Just because something hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't, or can't.
Does it fucking matter at this point? They didn't get him, were never going to get him, and none of the other pitchers are a comp. It sucks but it's done.
Proven how? Because you say so?
And I think that shows this is more of a Boras issue than a Sox issue. FA's not being unsigned when ST rolls around is not uncommon. When pretty much every big name FA that is left on the market are all repped by the same agent. that should tell you something... Why has no other team bit at his asking price if it was reasonable
Have the reports really been off on anything in a major way? I dunno, I find it hard to believe that generally respectable reporters like McAdams are simply making stuff up for clicks without a legitimate basis for their reports. Possible, I guess. But given that Kennedy and Warner's statements have largely gone from one extreme to the other over the past 4-5 months, I'm not sure what to make of the situation other than the reporting seems to generally track with the team's actions from my perspective.
This is the truest statement.
Boras pants get tighter with every negative story on Sox spending. Keeps the Sox as a potential team that might be forced to cave to fan demand and make another team pay up.
Distinction without a difference. Boras routinely uses the media to put pressure on teams to sign his guys. All teams, not just the Red Sox. Which is fine, that's his job, and he's awesome at it. And it's the teams' job to resist that pressure and not do something that is against their interest.
