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Sounds like the Chargers saw that the Chiefs won with a mostly shitty WR corps and decided that's how they want to win.

Who's their #1 WR right now? Josh Palmer? Yikes.

Pretty obvious that they are going after WR in the draft since there ain't much left on the FA list.
 

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Sounds like the Chargers saw that the Chiefs won with a mostly shitty WR corps and decided that's how they want to win.

Who's their #1 WR right now? Josh Palmer? Yikes.

Pretty obvious that they are going after WR in the draft since there ain't much left on the FA list.
I think they were deep in cap hell, and even restructuring Mack and Bosa wasn't enough to keep Allen. That's why they had to dump Williams, which bought them some time, and they signed a couple guys (Gus Edwards, Dissly) but I don't think they could have kept Allen, who was do $5mil bonus this Sunday and had a 34mil cap hit this year.
 

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If you're Elliot Wolf.... you gotta take LAC temperature on Herbert right? It's a mess out there and you can see if Jim Harbaugh really believes the McCarthy hype he was spinning or was just stumping for his guy.

Edit- yes I know the answer would be... no chance, but it would be funny.
 

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I suspect Harbaugh thinks he "knows the college players" and can find a bunch of WR late in the draft.

I assume there is no way they've opened up enough room to try to do a trade-and-extend for Justin Jefferson.
 

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I suspect Harbaugh thinks he "knows the college players" and can find a bunch of WR late in the draft.

I assume there is no way they've opened up enough room to try to do a trade-and-extend for Justin Jefferson.
The have like 20M in cap space Spotrac thinks, pre-draft picks, but yeah, this is about trying to eke out cap space, not prepping for a big trade. They still have a lot of needs, and just filling them with mid-level players was impossible before today's 3 moves.
 

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OH NO ... PLAYERS WHOSE NAMES WE KNOW ARE GOING TO OTHER TEAMS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, some people need to slow down. The hit rate on top FA WRs is pretty low. It’s rare that they produce to their contract. They need a true X receiver and Ridley was the closest thing you could spin into being an actual number 1 on the market. Thankfully that didn’t happen though as he was decidedly overvalued. It’s a little disheartening not having a shiny new toy to dream about on offense just yet but we’re still pre draft. Let’s all just be happy it’s going to be a new QB.
 

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Sounds like the Chargers saw that the Chiefs won with a mostly shitty WR corps and decided that's how they want to win.

Who's their #1 WR right now? Josh Palmer? Yikes.

Pretty obvious that they are going after WR in the draft since there ain't much left on the FA list.
They drafted Quentin Johnson in the first last year. He had an underwhelming year but maybe he steps up with more playing time? They did just lose 3 out of their 4 best offensive players. The half dozen Chargers fans are probably a little confused.
 

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Yeah, some people need to slow down. The hit rate on top FA WRs is pretty low. It’s rare that they produce to their contract. They need a true X receiver and Ridley was the closest thing you could spin into being an actual number 1 on the market. Thankfully that didn’t happen though as he was decidedly overvalued. It’s a little disheartening not having a shiny new toy to dream about on offense just yet but we’re still pre draft. Let’s all just be happy it’s going to be a new QB.
I disagree with the idea that they either need a bonafide, elite WR 1 or nothing. Right now the Pats have Kendrick Bourne and Pop Douglas as options and that's pretty much it. I think they'd be wise to acquire at least one other established veteran for their young QB to throw to. They could still address OT in free agency, but they can't go into the draft needing to hit on starters at tackle and receiver with their 2nd and 3rd round picks. And the WR market is now pretty thin unless they go the trade route, which is still possible I guess, but to me Curtis Samuel, Keenan Allen and Marquise Brown (though that one might have been extremely hard to pry away from the Chiefs) would have all been good additions to this team. I want to alleviate the pressure on both the rookie QB and the rookie receiver that will be coming in.
 

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I disagree with the idea that they either need a bonafide, elite WR 1 or nothing. Right now the Pats have Kendrick Bourne and Pop Douglas as options and that's pretty much it. I think they'd be wise to acquire at least one other established veteran for their young QB to throw to. They could still address OT in free agency, but they can't go into the draft needing to hit on starters at tackle and receiver with their 2nd and 3rd round picks. And the WR market is now pretty thin unless they go the trade route, which is still possible I guess, but to me Curtis Samuel, Keenan Allen and Marquise Brown (though that one might have been extremely hard to pry away from the Chiefs) would have all been good additions to this team. I want to alleviate the pressure on both the rookie QB and the rookie receiver that will be coming in.
Oh, I didn’t mean to imply it was elite WR or nothing. It’s that an X isn’t something they currently have and would have represented a major upgrade at the WR position. We have guys who can be 2s or 3s. I would love to see them add another receiver but the talent level available is meh apart from Mike Williams. And even if they were able to sign him they would still need to add another preferably high draft pick.
 

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Oh, I didn’t mean to imply it was elite WR or nothing. It’s that an X isn’t something they currently have and would have represented a major upgrade at the WR position. We have guys who can be 2s or 3s. I would love to see them add another receiver but the talent level available is meh apart from Mike Williams. And even if they were able to sign him they would still need to add another preferably high draft pick.
Yeah, right now it's either Mike Williams, Tyler Boyd or a trade. And they'll still need to draft a receiver in the top 3 rounds even if they acquire one of those guys.
 

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The Patriots might be operating on a similar type of plan as the Red Sox for 2024. That they are not going to compete for a championship in 2024 so they want their resources to help them for future years.

The thing about the NFL is that cap space carries forward. If you spend $23 million on Allen just for one year, that is $23 million less you have next year, or to devote now toward contracts that give you 2025 and 2026 assets.

The carry forward nature of cap space makes football unique. It is not as simple as saying “they have the space, they should spend it.” It is not use or lose. $23 million for a one year rental is a lot. Especially if you have to give up a decent draft pick to have the privilege of spending that money. I hear the point about needing to get our rookie QB some assets to help him develop, but I am going to reserve judgment until we see how else they use the cap space.
 

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Tyler Boyd is Juju with better knees. Speed was never his game but what little explosion he had is certainly gone these days. I guess a hail mary on Mike Williams staying healthy when you are sitting on a war chest there really isn't anyone else worth spending it on isn't a bad plan. Perhaps he will take a short term deal in hopes of striking one more big contract. But if that is the case NE Is probably the last team you want to take that shot with. Unknown starting QB with rookie HC, OC that favors the run and poor OL doesn't scream high volume passing attack.
 

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The Patriots might be operating on a similar type of plan as the Red Sox for 2024. That they are not going to compete for a championship in 2024 so they want their resources to help them for future years.

The thing about the NFL is that cap space carries forward. If you spend $23 million on Allen just for one year, that is $23 million less you have next year, or to devote now toward contracts that give you 2025 and 2026 assets.

The carry forward nature of cap space makes football unique. It is not as simple as saying “they have the space, they should spend it.” It is not use or lose. $23 million for a one year rental is a lot. Especially if you have to give up a decent draft pick to have the privilege of spending that money. I hear the point about needing to get our rookie QB some assets to help him develop, but I am going to reserve judgment until we see how else they use the cap space.
They lead the league in cap space for 2025 as well, there's really no reason to not make a move due to the potential of rolling more cap room forward. If you don't like Allen at this point in his career or just believe 23 million is too much money for one season of him in general, that's fine, every team operates within a budget, but the cap is not really a reason in my view.
 

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Yeah, right now it's either Mike Williams, Tyler Boyd or a trade. And they'll still need to draft a receiver in the top 3 rounds even if they acquire one of those guys.
Perhaps we should believe that report that came out after Ridley’s deal that the Pats will now pivot to picking WR in the draft and focus on other needs in free agency.
 

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Perhaps we should believe that report that came out after Ridley’s deal that the Pats will now pivot to picking WR in the draft and focus on other needs in free agency.
Sure but they don't seem to be aggressively going after any FAs. They still have significant holes at T and need help in the secondary as well, esp FS and to lesser extent DB. Going to be tough to address WR once you get past the top 120 or so picks of which they only have 4 in the top 120 and you have to assume they use one on QB and likely one on a T. This is a deep WR class but it does have its limits. Most mocks I've seen and tested has the pool running dry by round 4.
 
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Sure but they don't seem to be aggressively going after any FAs. They still have significant holes at T and need help in the secondary as well, esp FS and to lesser extent DB. Going to be tough to address WR once you get past the top 120 or so picks of which they only have 3 in the top 120 and you have to assume they use one on QB and likely one on a T. This is a deep WR class but it does have its limits. Most mocks I've seen and tested has the pool running dry by round 4.
What is the measure of this? We have no idea who they have offers out to or what those offers look like. They could have a huge deal out to Tyron Smith, they were aggressive enough to sign 7 external FA and spend the 2nd or 3rd most money of any team... they missed on the top WR and the top OT hasn't signed anywhere yet, but there is no indication they aren't aggressive.

Side not on the draft they have 4 top 12 picks not 3, they have have 3, 34,68, 103
 

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What is the measure of this? We have no idea who they have offers out to or what those offers look like. They could have a huge deal out to Tyron Smith, they were aggressive enough to sign 7 external FA and spend the 2nd or 3rd most money of any team... they missed on the top WR and the top OT hasn't signed anywhere yet, but there is no indication they aren't aggressive.

Side not on the draft they have 4 top 12 picks not 3, they have have 3, 34,68, 103
The external signings have been JAGS. Gibson is a JAG, Hooper is a Jag, the DT from PIT is a JAG, they haven't signed anyone that had any sort of market. Sure they went after Ridley and I'm glad they didn't sign him but at some point we have to call a spade a spade. This was a bottom 3 roster offensively and they have actually only subtracted from it. You can argue the subtractions are a net positive with Brown and Parker but they have added no one of consequence.

It is unfortunate their most obvious needs didn't match with what was available in FA but they could have shored up the S position considerably by bringing in one of the top FS available. Chase Young is still out there but haven't heard a whisper about him in NE and he has several meetings lined up with other teams so I don't see him signing here.

Noted on the draft thanks for the correction.
 
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That's good because last year we had too many below-JAGS.
Most of the JAGs they’ve brought in are just lateral replacements though

Guy -> Watts
Wilson -> Takitaki
P.Brown/Gesicki -> Hooper

You could certainly say Gibson and Okorafor are upgrades over Montgomery and Lowe but also downgrades from Elliott and T.Brown

Don’t think Leverett makes the roster so he’s irrelevant

So at this point I don’t think the base talent level except at QB has been raised from sub-JAG to JAG. Still need replacements for JAG level guys like Phillips, Mills and Jackson and another TE, RB
 

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It seems unfair that Pete Carroll didn't get to coach one more year against a Donald-less Rams.

Thank God he retired. He has been a nightmare in the NFC West his entire career.
 

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As I went to go see the cap implications of the retirement, maybe I'm missing something, but it looks like he just seriously screwed over the Rams. This hit the wire this morning:

https://www.si.com/nfl/rams/news/los-angeles-rams-aaron-donald-contract-restructure-salary-cap

The Los Angeles Rams opened up $9.2 million of cap space on Friday morning by restructuring the contract of star defensive tackle Aaron Donald, per Jason Fitzgerald of Over The Cap.

Before the restructure, Donald carried a cap hit of around $34.2 million, second-highest on the team only behind quarterback Matthew Stafford. Now, though, that cap hit has been lowered to just under $25 million for next season.

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Back to the plus side, the restructure essentially confirms that Donald will indeed be back for 2024. It's very likely that he would've been back even without the restructure, but general manager Les Snead previously did not rule out the three-time Defensive Player of the Year stepping away.
However, wouldn't his retirement accelerate any bonus cap hits to this coming league year? So any restructure he agreed to simply happens now? If so, what a crazy way to shove it to your GM on the way out the door.
 

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I think his retirement can easily be handled as a post-6/1 cut, in effect, spreading the dead cap money over 2024 and 2025. It won’t cripple them.
 

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If we're just talking peak I think Watt was even more dominant among recent DL. His 2-3 best years were completely ridiculous.
Would be an interesting debate. Watt had almost 70 sacks as an interior DL over a 4 year stretch from 2012-2015, which is just nuts considering he was doubled every down.
 

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Watt: 12 years, 151 games, 114.5 sacks, 195 TFL, 586 tackles, 131 AV, 5 All-Pro, 5 Pro Bowl, 3x DPOY
Donald: 10 years, 154 games, 111.0 sacks, 176 TFL, 543 tackles, 153 AV, 8 All-Pro, 10 Pro Bowl, 3x DPOY

Watt was unbelievable. Donald was just a little bit better, it seems to me. Both faced constant double teams. Both were incredibly productive. I'd happily have taken either on the Pats. I'd give Donald the edge though.
 

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Watt: 12 years, 151 games, 114.5 sacks, 195 TFL, 586 tackles, 131 AV, 5 All-Pro, 5 Pro Bowl, 3x DPOY
Donald: 10 years, 154 games, 111.0 sacks, 176 TFL, 543 tackles, 153 AV, 8 All-Pro, 10 Pro Bowl, 3x DPOY

Watt was unbelievable. Donald was just a little bit better, it seems to me. Both faced constant double teams. Both were incredibly productive. I'd happily have taken either on the Pats. I'd give Donald the edge though.
Edge for sure just on durability. 15.5 games / year.
Edit: he missed 9 games in 10 years (6 in 2022 to high ankle sprain and then surgery). That must’ve been the writing on the wall for him.
 
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Watt: 12 years, 151 games, 114.5 sacks, 195 TFL, 586 tackles, 131 AV, 5 All-Pro, 5 Pro Bowl, 3x DPOY
Donald: 10 years, 154 games, 111.0 sacks, 176 TFL, 543 tackles, 153 AV, 8 All-Pro, 10 Pro Bowl, 3x DPOY

Watt was unbelievable. Donald was just a little bit better, it seems to me. Both faced constant double teams. Both were incredibly productive. I'd happily have taken either on the Pats. I'd give Donald the edge though.
10 years, 10 Pro Bowls? Good god.

Another amazing stat in that 2018 SB win for the Pats: Donald had 1 tackle, 4 assisted tackle, no sacks.
 

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10 years, 10 Pro Bowls? Good god.

Another amazing stat in that 2018 SB win for the Pats: Donald had 1 tackle, 4 assisted tackle, no sacks.
10 years... 8 1st team all-pro. Only years he didn't were....
1. Rookie year... when he probably should have
2. 2022 when he missed 6 games.
 

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Watching and listening to Donald, and the way the Pats stonewalled him in the Superbowl, was one of my favorite parts of those mic'd up highlights videos. That, the punting game, and Jules were such a joy to watch. A truly under rated game as far as Pats Superbowls go.
 

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If we're just talking peak I think Watt was even more dominant among recent DL. His 2-3 best years were completely ridiculous.
I think I agree that Watt peaked just a little higher in 2012-15 than Donald got to, but it's close, while Donald's peak lasted much longer. For those four years, Watt averaged 17 sacks, 30 TFLs, and 47.5 QB hits per season; Donald only hit that sack total once, and never got to those TFL/QB hit numbers. Also remember that Watt was playing as a two-gapping 3-4 DE.

But Watt's peak was basically those four years + 2018 because he couldn't stay healthy, while Donald's peak was his whole career.
 

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I think I agree that Watt peaked just a little higher in 2012-15 than Donald got to, but it's close, while Donald's peak lasted much longer. For those four years, Watt averaged 17 sacks, 30 TFLs, and 47.5 QB hits per season; Donald only hit that sack total once, and never got to those TFL/QB hit numbers. Also remember that Watt was playing as a two-gapping 3-4 DE.

But Watt's peak was basically those four years + 2018 because he couldn't stay healthy, while Donald's peak was his whole career.
That seems fair. The original post invoked the idea of most dominant DL, which makes me think more of peak performance. But I think Donald likely provided more value and can be considered the better overall player on the basis of longevity.

And if you had Watt's peak over the course of Donald's career you'd have Reggie White.
 

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Watt: 12 years, 151 games, 114.5 sacks, 195 TFL, 586 tackles, 131 AV, 5 All-Pro, 5 Pro Bowl, 3x DPOY
Donald: 10 years, 154 games, 111.0 sacks, 176 TFL, 543 tackles, 153 AV, 8 All-Pro, 10 Pro Bowl, 3x DPOY

Watt was unbelievable. Donald was just a little bit better, it seems to me. Both faced constant double teams. Both were incredibly productive. I'd happily have taken either on the Pats. I'd give Donald the edge though.
One underrated thing about JJ Watt was how elite he was at knocking down passes at the line. 70 for his career, with 16 being a career-high in 2012, his 2nd year in the league. Donald had 21 in his whole career.

There was the story about BB helping prepare Brady & the O-Line for some playoff game against Houston by hiding broomsticks & suddenly lifting them up in practice scrimmages.

Edit: link: https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2013/01/jj_watt_texans_brady_pass_rush.html
 

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I think his retirement can easily be handled as a post-6/1 cut, in effect, spreading the dead cap money over 2024 and 2025. It won’t cripple them.
They have to. It's a total of $62.29M and if it's all on this year's cap, that's a killer. Post June 1, it looks like $23.76M in 2024 (actually saving $1.2M in cap space) and $38.53M in 2025
 

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Sure seems like the league is very clearly geared towards either having the top tier, elite level QB or looking for that guy. I don't recall teams moving on from young QBs this fast before, even the Pickett/Ridder/Mac types where you know it's highly unlikely for some hidden potential to be unlocked.
 
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Steelers - Eagles deal is:

Pickett & #120 for #98 and 2 2025 7th rounders.

Kind of a head scratcher for Philly.
They needed a backup, since Mariota left, and they grabbed one in return for dropping 22 spots. They probably don't care too much about 7th rounders as they have a pretty good roster.